Benefits of imperialistic fascism?

Let me hear it all.
Give me what you want.
Don't be modest.
Anything what you could possibly imagine in your wildest dreams.
As in the OP we have eliminated all opposition and now you can just do IT.
>What is IT?

Ok,
you should consider you don't actually want full blown totalitarian imperialist fascism after all?
You just want to hug trees.
You don't understand totalitarian imperialist fascist mindset:

>Climate will do exactly as I want in my domain, or I will destroy it.

>you could destroy an entire village, town or even a city if someone there attacked you with a small bomb.

This is not a positive you drunken autist. Fascism has no redeeming qualities. Monachy is best.

being defeated and captured and being raped and enslaved by the soldiers to lay on your back all day and provide comfort

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>we would reduce CO2 emissions by 60% if we just killed 60% of the world

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Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot.. they all used massacre. One hit from a village, they ordered the whole village to be destroyed. All men, women and children.

thats basically what gold is

Massacres are an admission of your ineptitude. People managed huge empires without genocide. It's been done. So if you cant do it then it's your fault not the people.

Those men were powerful demons. Nobody needs that.

Based on answers so far, and estimating from what I have read here before, and what Antifa views as fascism, I say to you.
>none of you have a slightest idea or clue of what it really is.

In fascism, you are supposed to be absolute NPC. If you show signs of individuality, that contradicts the accepted and very narrow doctrines, you will be executed.

So, now that you know, tell me what would you like to do with.

no jews

Romans started it.
That was the main tactic to keep provinces under control with a handful of troops.

Sorry, it was actually Genghis Khan who started it, based on Sun Tzu.
As a reward for compliance, Genghis treated people well. No rebellions.

Well he was a stupid unsuccessful ruler. His Empire died as soon as he died.

Oh.
What reads at Simon Bolivars grave?
>from my tomb tyrants will rice

Of you have a benevolent dictator, there's a huge line of tyrants waiting his death (and certainly plotting for it).

*rise

*If instead of Of

>If you have a benevolent dictator, there's a huge line of tyrants waiting his death

Same thing with the harsh dictators. Why kill half your population to hold onto power? You will fall eventually.

No it's not the same.
Niccolo Machiavelli told all us what to do.
>if the Prince is friendly to His people, he is hostile to His bureaucrats
>If the Prince is friendly to His bureaucrats, he is hostile to His people
>It is better to be feared by all than be loved by either of these two.

Lessons of this world to the Universe is, that best form of government is a benevolent dictatorship where the dictator never dies.

Apparently you dont have a clue either
>executed at the slightest hint of individuality
Lol

If Machiavelli knew his shit he wouldn't die in exile. Force does not work because no man rules alone. Your underlings need to feel like they are goo man or they will kill you the first chance they get. See the Tyrant Caracalla:

>When the inhabitants of Alexandria heard of Caracalla's claims that he had killed his brother Geta in self-defence, they produced a satire mocking this as well as Caracalla's other pretensions.[19][20] In 215 Caracalla travelled to Alexandria and responded to this insult by slaughtering the deputation of leading citizens who had unsuspectingly assembled before the city to greet his arrival, before setting his troops against Alexandria for several days of looting and plunder.[14][21] Following the massacre at Alexandria, Caracalla moved east into Armenia. By 216 he had pushed through Armenia and south into Parthia.[22]
>At the beginning of 217, Caracalla was still based at Edessa prior to renewing hostilities against Parthia.[4] On 8 April 217 Caracalla was travelling to visit a temple near Carrhae, now Harran in southern Turkey, where in 53 BC the Romans had suffered a defeat at the hands of the Parthians.[4] After stopping briefly to urinate, Caracalla was approached by a soldier, Justin Martialis, and stabbed to death.[4] Martialis had been incensed by Caracalla's refusal to grant him the position of centurion, and the Praetorian Guard Prefect Macrinus, Caracalla's successor, saw the opportunity to use Martialis to end Caracalla's reign.[56] In the immediate aftermath of Caracalla's death, his murderer, Martialis, was killed as well.[4] Three days later, Macrinus declared himself emperor with the support of the Roman army.[57][58]

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Your response clearly shows, you don't know what it is. What it was in the Soviet Union or in Mao's China.
Your ignorance is, as a matter of fact, proof that we are nowhere near of totalitarian system. It's marching in though. The space we can think and express our ideas is getting narrower each day.

>If Machiavelli knew his shit he wouldn't die in exile
False premise.

youtube.com/watch?v=Bba3tryTJbs

No, that was communism.
Depending on what you mean by, "individualism," it's hard to see a fascist killing someone over a different fashion style. If a good case against someone's, "individualism," can be made, then the only real punishment would be something along the lines of labor camp internment. Why not?
Anyways, I'm going to ask you to elaborate on what you mean by individualism.
The system you are talking of is more akin to bolshevik communism than anything else, with poisonous doses of materialism and hedonism sprinklined in. Fascism seeks the health of the people, and the nation. What is happening now is the opposite.

>Benefits of imperialistic fascism
>manliness
>brotherhood
>strength
>honor
>something to actually live for

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Ok, good.
Now you are defining IT. Go on.

Very good. Go on.

No, you need to elaborate on, "individualism."

>Anyways, I'm going to ask you to elaborate on what you mean by individualism.

Individualism, to me, is the natural growth of a "unperson" into a genuine person, a character, that is free to follow his/her own ambitions to the full bloom OR to it's complete destruction. I allow a failure too, because without it, there is no real advancing.

When you fantasize about fascism, you should be aware, it destroys all individuality as a necessity. It is absolutely essential and necessary to do that.

All I see what people here AND in the "opposing" camp wish to see, are common and simple virtues.
You don't need any fascism or communism to get those, you know.

Purpose of the thread.

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That's a wild definition.
Are you suggesting that we should allow people to follow their own ambitions into destruction, no matter if it affects other people?

yeah but i want them to manhandle me and bully me for not being as masculine as them

Even though this guy was the best thing to happen to the Imperıum, Macharius is killed because he upsets the High Lords. He himself is a gentle man who respects the poor and values his mens life. Makes allies with everyone. He is a case against Totalitarianism.

No, you need to restrict people to inflict harm to others.
When a person is set his/hers course into self destruction, you should allow that.
Drug addict or alcoholic needs to get to where they are going. Say them you love them, but then leave it at that. Don't interfere!
Depressed person needs to get to the bottom of it and this person must ask for help, before anyone should be allowed to rush in to "rescue".

Failures are important. Maybe even more important than successes.

Well, let's admit. We all love this. We would love to have it heated to fist fights too. It would be amazing. There is a limit to it and we would get to agreement and have fun after the air is cleared. Rock ' n ' Roll would feel good again.

However, this all is maneuvered by elements who wish our all death. We should be aware of it.

Death is inevitable. You have one life to live. Giving that life to someone else for them to use is pure cuckoldery
i want to fight against that. If they win and subdue me they can do whatever they want by force and ill accept that

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The Imperium isn't even close to fascist. It's a loose confederacy of 1 million planets closer to the Holy Roman Empire than the Roman Empire. Terra doesn't care what your planet does or how it's governed so long as you pay your taxes to keep the endless wars going.

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Restricting people is not inherently bad
>you should allow that
No, I will not. Especially being Christian. I have an obligation to my people to do everything I can to save them, even from themselves if necessary. Not to mention such things as suicide.
Failures are important, but allow someone to fail below a certain threshold is itself a failure.
Too many of my, our, people have been destroyed because of drugs and other hedonistic activities.

Snappy uniforms.

dignity

even if you get sent to a concentration camp to work physical labour, that's more dignifying than being a bum/NEET, and you get to claim victim status after it all inevitably collapses

Well, imo, living only for yourself, tends to get quite boring. It should be allowed though, to it's full bloom or doom.

Collectivism, in it's basic nature and by definition, is an attempt to abolish individual traits.
I oppose collectivism until death. Either my own or the collectives.
Still, I don't want to live just for me.
These are complex things, but there is the sweet spot, where everything /pol wants and everything all the faggots in the world wants, could meet.

Thanks for the quick rundown.

Jesus and the Heavens above does exactly what I suggested. Jesus doesn't come knocking on anyone's door without an invitation.

Direct control over the system that drives all of human existence, rather than letting the system drive us.
That is to say, the ability to become a God as opposed to simply a pawn to a false one.

Don't you realize what this is all about? They want you to be a slave their occult system. They, under absolutely zero circumstances, want a Man of the Sun to rise and seize control over the axis of reality, the pillars of creation. They wish for the sun to set eternally on the lands of the West, so that the Moon may reign supreme.

SOL INVICTUS.

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This world IS sink or swim school.
This was not designed by wimps.
Consider this. Jesus worked as a fisherman. They were far more foul mouthed then, as they are now. He was respected by them all.

Fascism hates indididualism not because they hate PCs; the system was made by PCs for PCs. They hate a focus on individualism because they understand that there is a unifying reality to drives our existence, and that those who seek to deviate from it ultimately Drive civilization into the ground under their corruptive influence. There is only one Ubermensch, not 1,000 different flavors. In this way Fascism is an anonymous cult of the hero, no room for trip fags.

True, however we are called to go forth and make disciples, and to heal in the name of the Lord.
I'll also add that fascism doesn't want to destroy individuality, but individualism. The idea that the rights of one person supercede that of the collectives rights in morality and legality. Inherently, the collective is more important due to their vast nature of individual people. The individual is better protected morally, physically, spiritually and legally by collective rights compared to individual rights, due to the reality of the collective rights covering all people, while maintaining only the proper individual rights.

Just like this board. There is no individualism, we are all a part of the collective without identity. We care not for trifles of who we are; we are anonymous in pressence, differentiated by our actions and merits.

Fascism or communism (very little difference) needs, in order to exists, annihilation of all individual thought.
The reason why that appeals so many, is in the fact of realizing own mediocrity and lack of any virtue. All skilled people with virtues, provides a mirror to these people where they can see themselves as what they are. And they don't like what they see. This is the secret to the appeal of all totalitarianism, weather it's political or religious. To destroy the mirrors, so that the person doesn't see him or her self.

You haven't made a point, sorry

That's how a proper empire works. When your centered around the Celestial axis, you need not bother with trifles. The actions of the whole will naturally graitivate around the actions of the center, like a conductor in a divine orchestra.

>and make disciples
You don't "make" them. Even God Almighty refuses to do such thing. People must get in voluntarily. And I mean absolutely voluntarily, with no shades of doubt.

We can't go further until you define what you mean by "individual thought". No man is an island. All of our actions are influenced by society.

>very little difference
Totally wrong. The only comparable traits of the two are their totalitarian beliefs, and somewhat planned economies

Have it your way then.
I gain nor lose anything in this.

You misunderstand. It's not talking about forcing anybody. Its referring to the hard labor dedicated to converting them.

This album is pretty unique and individual. I could provide you thousand others.

>totalitarian
What does that even mean?

> No man is an island
>He's a peninsula

>Totally wrong.
Okay, name the differences. I am genuinely clueless of them. I see no differences, other than in the designs of military uniforms.

I didn't ask for some shitty album.
Tell me what individual thought means.

It signifies an absolute leader, though others use it to negatively stigmatize proper leadership, which sometimes requires heavy handed measures.

Oh, forgot the link
youtube.com/watch?v=yjLIwidBubg

Then don't use it if it's 9/10 times used with negative connotation. Use the term "absolute leader"

>Tell me what individual thought means.
1. you need to have internal dialogue
2. you think WHAT EVER you wish
3. you find something, from your head, that intrigues you
4. You start to follow that IDEA

This can be scientific, philosophical, masturbatory.. what ever, as long as it's YOUR idea. Not someone else's idea you MUST follow. Your own.
Go out, look the clouds, let your mind wander free. It's addictive.

>think whatever you wish
Do you believe in good and evil? Can there be wrong/evil thoughts?

Personally I have come to recognize all forms of secular states as degenerate, although fascist states are often far less degenerate, I feel that we would be better off restructuring and inquisiting the Catholic Church to remove heretics like (((Francis))) while also reintegrating the Anglican and Eastern Orthodox Churches into the Catholic Church as semi autonomous sub Churches, like the Greek and Ukrainian Catholic Church. The restructuring would essentially remake the Church as the direct world government, with government functions being implemented in a way reminiscent of clerical fascism, and with no whites still being killed off, as they are not humans, but are instead the physical manifestations of Satan.

Non whites*

Yes. There is good and evil and very vast gray area between the two.

>Can there be wrong/evil thoughts?
Yes.
Everyone gets them and everyone always recognizes them immediately as evil. Even as young as two year old. Animals, like dogs, knows this.
What you need to do when you catch one, is the examine it. Is it from you? Why? Is it from justified anger, because you have been mistreated? If you can't say where it comes from, such as lust for murder and rape, you need to identify it and ask for help. My best guess is that these are remnants of our animal instincts. The beast instinct.

>Communism teaches atheistic thought, fascism will teach spiritual thought.
>communism preaches hedonism, fascism rejects it.
>communism desires a melting pot, fascism does not.
>communism is economically socialist, and fascism is socialist in terms of populism.
Fascism recognizes the importance of the spirit of a people, and its condition is a determinant to its survival. This includes the rejection, even up to the use of force, of selfish thought and behavior. In a nation of people, the people are valued for who they are and encouraged to help each other for merely being, say, Fins. It does not encourage racial integration, as communism does, because it destroys at least two lines of racial and cultural heritage. It is historically known as a sign of terminal illness in a nation, and would not be allowed. There are also lots of health issues in mixed race people. This is populist socialism in a nutshell. Finally, the economy of a fascist nation isn't that far from capitalism, besides the fact it rejects the internationalist currency risks and vulnerabilities. It also seeks proper regulations, that do not interfere with business beyond a reasonable measure. Things like dumping waste in a river, or fluoride in the water supply wouldn't be allowed.

the advancement of philosophy and moral-ethic studies

wait, ah shit

From the left socialism without internationalism, and from the right nationalism without capitalism.
Basically the best of all worlds.

>muh degeneracy
your country was literally built on self determination, clerical fascism is the most anti american thing ever

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Oh please, neither term would be accepted by the people in mention.

>even a 2 year knows this

Then why do people commit "evil acts"

Churches have always been power structures.
You don't need church to approach the Heavens above. You don't need middle men. Reception is open 24/7/all eternity.

>be "woke" Chaos cultist fighting for your "freedom" from the Emperor's mercy
>be given a pitchfork and used as laser sponge for Chaos Marines fighting Imperial Guard
>get raped/killed/necro-raped by your own commanders

Such is the fate of heretics.

youtube.com/watch?v=vMGWJNRoWPE

^This

>of selfish thought and behavior
Who defines what is "selfish thought"?
I have never met a socialist or communist who does charity or gives away something that is theirs.

What the fuck is this next stage of evolution? There isn’t a factory line with checkpoints. To the field of biology its just meaningless stochastic and neutral base pair replacements at the molecular level. As far as biology generally accepts in its evolutionism, there is no direction or goal.

In fascism or in communism all philosophy and science is made to serve the collective and the initiative comes top-down. You just don't start to follow an idea of your own in these systems.

Maybe it comes to mind that I don't have a model for imperialistic structures outside of good old jewish communism.
How do you mean, the initiative comes top-down?

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We're not worried about the people we're arguing with.
It's a -10 versus a -5 for charisma.
Words are powerful, user.

>What the fuck is this next stage of evolution?
Spirit.
It can only manifest in liberty.
When it flourishes, all is beautiful. Arts, philosophy and all are just portraits of what happens inside us.
At the final stages people finds such levels in spirits, that they simply "phase out" from here. Its' got something to do with harmonics and frequencies.

Brothers, I bring dire news. A large space hulk has emerged from the warp.

Bless your weapons.

Is it not ideas that allow us to connect to God? Is Truth not something that must be learned?
If you remove the church, who would safe guard the teaching of Truth?

>How do you mean, the initiative comes top-down?
Bureaucrats decides what people "need". They order the machine to produce it. Or do research for it.
Like Soviet Union decided to break down the secret of Stradivarius violin and mass produce them to all proles.
(They were unsuccessful.)

Fascism doesn't prohibit anything of the sort, unless its provable that the idea is a net negative.
Selfish thought can be illustrated by drug dealers. Personal gain at anothers degradation. Any action that hurts the collective.
Who? Same as any other system. The leadership.