Hey, Pol. Today I was met with a question I cannot fully answer myself so I decided to ask you for advice and opinions on the matter. I am not what you would call weak with debates or regular discussions, but this question has always brought me to wonder and think (maybe a little too much) about it. The question is: "What is white/What makes someone White?." I've always answered with "I can just tell if someone is White." or "I think you know who is White." or "Who is black/asian/arab/whatever." My question is how do I tell a person, who will not stop attacking, what being White really is and who exactly is White. Every day I post on a Political Discord and get asked the same thing and usually have to throw multiple White groups under the bus and say they're not White technically. Then there are days where they'll say "look at this handsome White looking Arab! Is he White enough for you, Adolf?????"
The real question is, why do you try to force yourself to pull up quantifyable metrics to a truth that is easily observable without any additional information? How long is a piece of string? How big must a body of water be, to be considered a lake (Exact minimum and maximum size)?
Don't let yourself get caged by conundrums.
Jordan Jones
Huwite peepo are fair skinned caucasoids who's ancestry is traceable back to europe.
I try not to get myself tangled, but they have a way of ganging up and forcing an answer or my credibility is out the window. It's a predatory question to ask someone to begin with so I usually take it light heatedly as a troll or someone who's just a lefty brainlet. My belief will never be tangled in this question, but I will admit it's made me think. Maybe a little too much. Definitely too much. Thank you.
Mason Williams
What nanometer wavelength does blue light start and end?
When does blue turn into purple or green?
They try to play word games, they try to focus on outliers instead of averages, but the reality is that light is a spectrum and there's no defined point where blue turns into another color, YET there are STILL distinct and different colors.
Just like there is no defined point where white turns into brown, YET there are still distinct and different races.
If they look like someone you would trust if you're alone at night and encounter them on a dark street then they're white. Likewise if you lock your car when you see them around they are not white.
Leo Green
The answer is simple; Is Lawrence Fishbourne white?
Celts, Nords, Scandinavians and Germanics are white. Anglos are white but they are subhumans. The rest of Europe are Slavs or medroaches
Kayden Kelly
>they have a way of ganging up and forcing an answer This is the whole premise the progressives are operating on, claiming people by peer pressure, natural human responses to presented artificial scenarios and appeals to the human desire to be "good". It is a false ideology, full of empty victories that merely make you feel good by not doing anything at all and without moving an inch. Just throw other conundrums at them, call out loaded questions without displaying anything that can be interpreted as being on the defensive. "What is white?" "It takes one to know one"
Follow up by How long is a piece of string? How many liters constitute a lake? When is someone happy?
Attack, attack, attack.
Evan Watson
Depends what you mean by "white"
if you're only talking about skin/hair color, many ethnicities have white skin and fair blond hair but you can't objectively concider them white.
If you're talking about genetics (european ancestry for example) it gets even more complicated, because people travel around the world meet other people get married etc especially Europeans that have immigrated/conquered many places What you see today when you look at microsatellites(repeated sequences in the DNA unique to everyone) is a mix of indigenous and foreign material making the genetic makeup In this case you'll need to make a clear "limit" how much european DNA can you have to make you "white' ? (100% is not possible by the way)
the third and maybe the easiest is to define "white" by their way of life and how they interact with their environment, someone might say they're more civilised or intelligent or "moral" than other ethnicities, but they're also not unique to white people.
pointed that it's very hard to know where the line starts and ends, but you'll always know what's red and what's blue even if there's some green in between
Tell them theres a difference between race and ethnicity, the italian or greekroach is white but they arent celtic, nordic, germanic, slav etc they are meds, everyone with origins in Europe is white. Ask them to define black people, theyve a ton of ethnicities aswell, not all asians look the same.
Or you could just not be a faggot and stand your ground, throw the mutts under the bus, its not a quantity competition and a bit of confident idealism or confident purity spiralling is what they dont want to hear. They only push you for answers because they sense vulnerability, show none and give the answer they expect, they wont ask again.
Nicholas Flores
It’s too tangled for general use so bring up the white group in question >“Whites did slavery in america” >Well I don’t think the irish had any part of that in particular which whites You get the idea It forces their label logic to high gear and most likely will bail out
Gabriel Clark
only normies care about race and who is white or not.
Grow up.
John Collins
the people who are the descendants of antediluvian aryans/atlanteans.
and it’s Jow Forums, not Pol you newfag bitch
William Martin
Are Jews white? Why can no one definitively answer this fucking question?
Samuel Sanchez
what do you mean by jew? sephardic, ashkenazi, semite?
Chase James
"white" is a jew meme used to hide in european skin, in fact most discussion of race is very useless and meant to empower the underclass in the same way nationalist did in the 1800s. there is no legitimate pride or shame from being born into something, black, white, whatever. all hershel rosenblatz needs to do is to keep telling the negro he's great and wonderful and has overcame great hardships for nothing more than being born black and he's got a slave for life. you got pilpul'd my friend. what matters is the character of culture people create. remember, what you want is not a white world, but a world with reason and dignity, which is the polar opposite of the leftism world of fearful emotion and vile celebrations of ugliness that do not strive to be better.
Jaxson Myers
what it means to be white user ? when you'll find a good answer you'll know if jews are white or not
It's falsifiable, provable, measurable, conforms pretty much exactly with geography/migration patterns, is not subjective, can't be argued against without disavowing genetics and therefore all of biology by default and if they have a problem with that then you can accuse them of being fundamentalist Christians just to watch their rage
Christian Garcia
white=IF("nipples"="pink",TRUE,FALSE)
James Peterson
you will never find the answer to that because you judge people based on skin color and not character
Jonathan Moore
Pls tell more
Christopher Young
If they ask you to set a particular standard for what is white you can say you have to cluster genetically with ethnic europeans or be of predominantly european decent. That usually shuts them up.
Julian Nelson
enough with the pilpul. just answer the question
Matthew Ramirez
>At what molecule of H20 does a pond become a lake?
i'm 40% european(25% Iberian, 15% germanic/ french) Can i join the white ethnostate ? i guess not, but if you're using genetics where do you draw the line? i'm interested
Josiah Ward
Jews are the same thing as arabs (semitic), so that they are not white.
Isaiah Scott
Ya 7o anta du-cent% algerien mat l3bhach nta gowri kima Rana duk Rana la race superior. objectivment
Jayden Lee
Consult the Nuremberg Laws and see for yourself if you’re qualified.
maybe you shouldn't be so concerned with color and instead use cultural background. conservative values are much more important than race (you'd rather have the Huxtable family in your neighborhood than a lesbian white communo-feminist family)
Charles Cruz
You might also say: This is an issue up for discussion of the state. The federal government might be lax enough to allow for all genes and restrict only on ideology and merit, while states or communities can self-regulate as strictly as they desire. This might even include black communities that wish not to be gentrified. Asian, Jewish, Irish, German, White, etc. could all be covered as well as communities that allow all.
Arguments for or against a particular ethnostate vary from there.
Ryder Bell
Since you're not even half white i don't think you could consider yourself white. However I personally wouldn't be apposed to your addition into the "white ethnostate" given that you meet certain standards. Ie you have employment, you aren't antiwhite, not a socialist etc. Because there inevitably would be a eugenics program in which all the "nonwhite" genes get replaced gradually of the course of generations. And later we will have access to genetic engineering so it won't even matter.
>pilpul I already gave you an answer user, it depends what you consider white
Lincoln Reyes
"white" is whatever you would ascribe 'white privilege' or 'white supremacy' to.
Cameron Rogers
Middle Eastern/North African has been considered it's own race since 2014 and will be asked on the census instead of "White" starting 2020. It was decided that they have too many different features compared to Whites to be considered White.
Also a reminder to say that you are a Person of Light, not White.
Oliver Lewis
Isn't that from Murdoch Murdoch
Jonathan Martin
>Person of Light
Kek. Is that a spin off of poc? Like white is now a derogatory term so we should be called pol
James Adams
>What is white Not you, Moshe. Quit spamming this board with this off-topic D&C bullshit.
Brody Baker
Yes, and it also fits in that we're called Jow Forums.
Daniel Taylor
White nationalism is just another Amerimutt fantasy and abomination (probably imposed by the Jews as well). There can only be Ethnos, and skincolour is just one - and not the most significant marker of one, which does not even determine the interethnic relations.
Lucas Reyes
It's hardly a fantasy when it literally has existed. The US was a white nationalist state from its founding up untill 1965
Austin Jenkins
Simple question, whites are European(meaning all their family tree is also European since the beginning). If a white person has non-white blood in them then they are a mutt.
Adrian Morales
No monkey genes. No joke
Oliver Barnes
Well, different immigrant cliques did have different rights and status, not to mention forcibly brought over blacks.
White nationalists, however, try to wrongly extrapolate their melting pot society to international politics - where it doesn't exist and never existed - while it is barely a thing in America itself.
Blake Lopez
Being born here doesn't mean my ancestry stops here, this country is less than a hundred years old and before that it was a succession of colonists imposing their culture onto us, i don't see myself as white anymore than arab or roman. There's no superior race, biologically speaking just organisms that adapt to their environment
Bentley Anderson
I can't adress such a broad statement as
"White nationalists, however, try to wrongly extrapolate their melting pot society to international politics"
What specifically do white nationalists advocate for that couldn't in theory exist and function well.
Brandon Bell
see, when pol says white, we're talking about the ying/yang or the checkerboard tile at a masonic lodge. it's about "race" (the geographical term meaning "moving water") white and black in reality do not exist though.
Isaiah Howard
unless you've lived in an island with no connections to the rest of the world since thousands of years there's no such thing as pure ethnic ancestry user, by you definition everyone's a mutt, especially you
There's an umbrella of genetic (phenotype and genotype) combinations that only Europeans have but are expressed in varying amounts. That is what is "white" or the Europoid of the Caucasoids.
Carson Martinez
i don't think you understood what i mean user, great britain is not a genetically isolated island
Furthermore, all Europeans can attribute their admixtures to mainly three ancient groups, the paleolithic farmer, the mesolithic hunter-gatherer and the Yamnaya.
Ethan Perry
Well this is what you originally responded to
>Simple question, whites are European(meaning all their family tree is also European since the beginning). If a white person has non-white blood in them then they are a mutt.
I don't agree with him but he is correct on one point. Racially pure people ie people of purely european decent exist. In fact white people with 98 percent + european genomes are predominant.
Owen Watson
White nationalism assumes that whiteness of skin means that the people with white skin belong to a same interest group. "No brother wars" and all this stuff.
Which is an absolute fantasy, that has absolutely no truth in history. Whiteness does not make anyone brothers in the slightest, and worst adversaries of Russians are white, while the best friends or simply reliable and honourable partners are not.
White nationalism itself is antirussian idea - meaning that it creates disadvantages for Russians in America, and would be harmful in Russia too, were it more widespread.
Wyatt Barnes
Caucasoid phenotype
Jeremiah Cook
There is no "white". There is Caucasian, Aryan, Slavic, Anglo, Franc, etc etc.
"White" doesn't make sense because it's a mongrel term (((they))) push on Americans to turn us into mutts.
Kayden Roberts
This
Oliver Lopez
>White nationalism assumes that whiteness of skin means that the people with white skin belong to a same interest group.
Not necissarily but it does assert that from a genetic perspective coethnics are inevitably going to have closer generic interests than people of two different races. This article explains that pretty well:
Furthermore european is not as genetically or culturally homogenous as the US. So a pan european ethnostate probably would never organically form across all of europe and russia. That said this does not negate the importance of demographics wich is ultimately the point of "white nationalism". Keeping russia russian is just as fine a goal as keeping it white. It makes no difference to me or most other WN
>White nationalism itself is antirussian idea - meaning that it creates disadvantages for Russians in America, and would be harmful in Russia too, were it more widespread.
This in an assertion with nothing to back it up. The concept of whiteness is not antirussian and it's never put russian americans at a disadvantage.
Christopher Baker
>In fact white people with 98 percent + european genomes are predominant.
if that's true i guess his definition is fair, but it's hard to imagine an open environment with a long history of genetic flow between populations staying genetically pure, it's actually contrary to most "laws" in genetics of populations i admit i don't have much informations of how "european genomes" are identified, i usually only work on families and close relatives
Jordan Hughes
someone shop this on a mutt wojak in the enthostate applications meme
>This in an assertion with nothing to back it up. Simple. Russians are assumed hostile for white (anglo-saxon) people's crimes and oppression by black and indian folk - which is quite easy to dispel in prolonged contact; at the same time, they are absolutely not allowed into the "white man's club". Thus, Russians get no bonuses, but receive all the penalties.
In order to succeed, American Russians would be better off forming alliance with Asian immigrants, as they are in a similar position and have very similar goals.
Eli Ortiz
>Simple. Russians are assumed hostile for white (anglo-saxon) people's crimes and oppression by black and indian folk
First of all this is not a consiquence of the concept of "whiteness". Using racial catagories does not mean you need to ascribe blame for historical events based on skin color. This is simply what inevitably happens when you have an easily manipulated sizeable minority in the country that can be levied for political power.
>at the same time, they are absolutely not allowed into the "white man's club"
Im not really sure what this means. The US is mostly northwestern european. Slavs are quite different genetically and culturally so it's somewhat harder for them to assimilate but not by much. They haven't been subject to any kind of social or lawful discrimination except when it comes to Immigration quotas.
>In order to succeed, American Russians would be better off forming alliance with Asian immigrants
Honestly i find this to be quite a bizarre perspective and i have no idea why you think this. I'm beginning to think that when you say russian you're not referring to an ethnic russian or white russian. Because they fit in just fine in the US. I even have a couple russian american friends.
Levi Jackson
Include other Eurasian peoples like Poo Indians, Persians, and Turks.
Eurasian people are the most superior people. Anything outside of that continent comes from trash ancestry.
Austin Butler
Poo Indians, Persians, and Turks are untermensch compared to east asians Especially the japanese.
John Russell
Perhaps, but compared to the western Europeans, Semitc kikes/arabs, southeast asians, or God forbid, the negroid species, they are light years ahead. Sure they may not be the best, but at least they're still people unlike the "others".
Juan Martin
Someone who has origins in bloodline in Europe, or better known as Caucasoid.
