I've seen this around few times and I'm curious if demographically it's possible. My main concerns about this being plausible are: > Back then Germany had not been under constant influx of culturally/ethnically foreign invaders > Back then Germans were not culturally cucked; nationalism was not considered The Evil it is considered today (at least in the eyes of the Germans) >Back then there was no globalism / globalism-friendly tyrannical institution like the EU to blockage any political victories of such parties
So, I'm interested in some stats regarding voting demographics of the next ~10 years of any currently uber cucked European nation (UK, France, Belgium, Germany, Sweden, Netherlands, Austria Spain(?)) I'd prefer it in a form of spreadsheet. If not, it's ok, I can make them on my own later, as long as I have the numbers gathered (although I'd delay few days since I'm a bit burned-out with some other austistic stats-projects I've been occupied last weekend; If anyone wants to do it, feel free) What kind of data I ask: > % of non-ethnic Germans currently living in Germany > % of non-ethnic German children being born in Germany every year > Number of years required to live in Germany before rights to vote are gained > Number of estimated invaders that will arrive in the near future (= next 1-8 years) All the above data are welcome for any other cucked nation. What I want to make is: > Shreadsheet with numbers & estimated votes that (((globalists))) would have each year and the number of votes that Nationalist Resistance would require to be able to win via democratic elections in the near future.
Of course that graph does not reflect the fact that all other parties were made illegal or beaten into submission so the results post 33 are bullshit.
Interestingly they had no support until the Wall Street Crash - which then forced American banks to recall loans and crashed the German economy - so all that “Weimar was awful” bullshit is rubbish.
Also the last real election they took part in they had a minority
Nazism was never a democratic choice, never the will of the people.
It was a coup.
Eli Phillips
>It was a coup. The frog is right, it was a coup, like the EU.
>Also the last real election they took part in they had a minority >Nazism was never a democratic choice, never the will of the people. >It was a coup. Interesting. (my pro-ww2 knowledge of Germany is rather limited,sadly) This is more on par with my current belief that the Europe cannot be saved via democracy and that only a violent revolution can change our course. This is what comes in mind: youtube.com/watch?v=P93C-ZW7y4k
Lincoln Hall
>Nazism was never a democratic choice, never the will of the people. And that's a problem because?
Robert Long
The last real election wasn't a outright majority, as in over 50%, but the Nazi party did become the largest single party in their government. The fact that about 1/3rd of all voting Germans voted for the Nazis, while the remaining 2/3rds voted for a wide assortment of others, means the Nazis were a democratic choice under the German government. The reason Hitler himself became big was because he leveraged his popular mandate to have President Hindenburg appoint him Chancellor of Germany.
Also, how can you possibly defend Wiemar "wheelbarrels of dosh for a loaf of bread" Germany when it was in such poor shape? The economy wasn't good before the crash, the crash just made it exponentially worse.
Connor Wright
Back then there was no internet.
Michael Wilson
hyperinflation had its causes, but was ended by the Wiemar republic in 1924. Germany was well ont eh way to recovery by 1929 and it was only the Wall Street crash that stopped that recovery.
the so called "recovery2 under the nazis was largely funded by theft adn nationalisation (ie theft) and by throwing out of work millions of people that were qualified in various professions adn taking over their businesses 9theft0 because they were jews. Women were also made unemployed, adn no longer counted as unemployed. Slave labour, and re-armament (basically employing people to make stuffthat no one actually needs unless going towar, hmmn, i wonder why they spent all the money on that rather than on useful stuff) also helped.
but the pol myth that Weimar was terrible right up to the day Hitler saved everyone is just bullshit.
Dylan Morris
well, while the people often make bad choices, surely the imposition of a murderous totalitarian government without democratic support lacks something in the way of legitimacy?
you know, it sort of smacks of being wrong? or at the very least, utterly fucking evil?
Charles Roberts
Let me set the record straight. I'm not defending Nazi Germany itself. After all, it was still a socialist state that relied on foreign money to be stable, while never intending to repay those loans (ironically embodying the stereotype of jewish people they espoused). It was a short sighted, badly planned economic plan for Germany, and poisoned by the ethnic hatred to make decisions that ultimately led it to be at a massive disadvantage.
But! The failures of the Nazis does not excuse the different failures of the Wiemar. Even in it's recovery phase, it was not a nation that looked or felt healthy, economically. There was still unemployment rampid, well under the prosperity of Imperial Germany (my favorite period of United Germany, so there could be bias), and their acceptance of becoming extremely gimped internationally by the Entente forces all led to a barely stable government. And that was before the 1929 downfall. It wasn't a dystopia or anything. It was just a massive downgrade.
Henry White
>it was still a socialist state that relied on foreign money to be stable
sauze on the foreign funding?
Landon Sanchez
I agree to a certain extent - they were doing better until the French adn Belgians fucked them over by taking the Rhur again. A bad move (hindsight). The war reparations could have been much less, and longer term, not killing the goose for the eggs..
but that was not really the fault of the government - they had been beaten int he war, adn had no choice. It was only the disruption of the Wall St crash adn the worldwide recession that followed that allowed someone like Hitler to make the moves he did - other countries were then too fragile to immediately slap him down. and he did it by bankrupting the country, in a viscious way, that no sane politician would have done.
had war not started in 39 I would bet the Nazis would have collapsed in their own stupidity in a few years anyway. they were robbing peter to pay Paul, then robbing Paul and putting Peter in a concentration camp...
Grayson Thomas
I recommend reading The Third Reich by Richard Evans. It covers a lot of Germany's economic plan.
The gist of it was this:
1: Take out massive loans from countries like Britain and America. 2: Use those loans to fund military expansion. 3: Use the military to take over smaller countries. 4: Loot those countries dry and use the loot to pay back the loans over time.
Isaac Richardson
> implying USA and GB didn't foresee what Germany plan was.
Andrew Walker
I don't disagree with you on the Nazi bits, but I'd argue the Wiemar Govt. had a responsibility to their people to aggressively renegotiate the Treaty of Versailles, which allowed the French and Belgians to so badly screw the German people for so long.
The Wiemar's submissiveness to foreign demands, even a decade after the war, is what led to the massive overreaction by the German peoples, as the Nazis promised to not let it go on.
My guess was that most financeers expected Hitler to seize all of the ethnically German lands, then stop, as that was the public face he put to investors. The issue was that no one expected him to ramp it up so fast and so extremely, like invading ALL of Poland as opposed to just taking Danzing.
Juan White
it's happening in France at least so far it looks like it will
Is that reasonable? the economy had been destroyed during the war. they had lost ten percent of their land and people when the map was redrawn, and those were major industrial areas with resources. output was half what it had been before the war. they really were in no position to forcefully do anything for a long time - after the hyperinflation (in part caused by bad policy, I will agree) the economy was on its knees for years - it was just getting back up in 28--29 when Wall street broke it again.
So there really was no way that Weimar could have stood up to them. Germany was on the point of collapse for years. but, that said, it was recovering. Without the wall street crash Hitler would never have got traction (or at least not have had the opportunity to take over even if a minority government) and the republic could have made it, adn then, perhaps by 193 or 35, it could have been in position to renegotiate.
But the Hitlerian "recovery" was a con job. He funnelled money into re-armament that was basically stolen or borrowed, and the tax laws were appalling for business - the whole economy was a ponzi scheme.
Jackson Nguyen
why imply that? There were many in the UK who saw it, called it, and said we should not appease adn should re-arm, and be prepared to put him down.
of course it was Tory eurosceptics who appeased - fucking the country just as they are doing now with Brexit...
Nicholas Martinez
While there wasn't a lot they could do via force, you're forgetting an important adage. When you're a little in debt, the bank has power over you. But if you're in massive debt, you have power over the bank.
The Wiemar could've negotiated better deals, leveraging their debt, by pointing out that if they couldn't use their GDP to recover, the French weren't going to be able to recover any money from Germany, for fear of financial collapse.
Elijah Brown
>pol myth that Weimar was terrible right up to the day Hitler saved everyone is just bullshit.
Hitler rose to power because Weimar was inoperative. When they gave him as Chancellor extra powers, it was not an anomaly, it was the way of the country. German parliament was so divided that they couldn't have any decision made, so it was common to give Chancellor mandate to carry out things by himself.
For someone like Hitler to gain power, some European country's parliament should be as inoperative as Weimar's. And there is one - Germany, ... surprise,surprise.
Benjamin Rodriguez
WW1 and WW2 were Jewish planned and Jewish financed. 100 of millions of white european men gone. Hitler is not your friend he was a kike, Nazis are not your friend, they're useful idiots. Israel thanks them for their blood sacrifice though.
>But! The failures of the Nazis does not excuse the different failures of the Wiemar. that Democracy was still young and they were surrounded by anti democratic people everywhere of course it would crumble to dust by such as strong crisis
