What is wrong with prioritizing your own interests before others? You guys believe that nations should be able to pursue their own interests, doesn't that mean that the individuals in those nations should be able to do so?
What's wrong with trying to get as much as you possibly can?
Most people do. But depending on your values it is immoral/degenerate etc...
This is true. So would you discourage it, or encourage it? Because collectivism can be degenerate as well. An example would be those hippie communes that developed in the last century.
>What's wrong with trying to get as much as you possibly can?
Nothing, if you can do it without thinking of other people as a tool.
Absolutely nothing wrong with it.
But don't you think that people are regarded as utilities to some extent?
If I have friends, I see them as means for happiness and social acceptance. A woman is a utility towards family rearing. But I still treat them as people with feelings and needs! Or do you think I'm pushing the analogy?
Would depend on the context. I would encourage familial and civic duty
Literally every decision you take is selfish. ITT a bunch of brainlets
Would you encourage civic duty if it meant serving people who don't necessarily advance your interests? It's your civic duty to pay taxes, but what if the state uses taxes to pursue goals that contradict your own?
It makes you easily to manipulate if you only prioritize your own self. For examples look at Trump.
If you're living for just yourself that doesn't suggest good mental health. People think altruism is a lifestyle choice with regards to being a good person, it's not. Sane people who have no lingering hangups are naturally inclined to show love and concern for their fellow man. It's just a natural feature of our stay on earth as human beings.
Nothing wrong, but you could improve the game of making money by giving it away.
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I'm was bullied as a child and became an insufferable clown to compensate for my feelings of inadequacies which made everyone around me not treat me with respect, further jading me against people.
Being selfish is the only method of existence
Elaborate?
It's their civic duty to save their country from corrupt politicians, though by what means is debatable and subjective.
Selfishness is defined as pursuing your goals and interests at the expense or others.
You're confusing selfishness with self interest.
>What's wrong with trying to get as much as you possibly can?
I don't know if you know this user, but if you don't live in the USA you are bombarded with propaganda telling you to how easy it is to go replace white people somewhere.
Every time I get on some sort of normie computer for whatever reason, for work or fixing someone's computer or using their phone, I immediately see several ads about learning English and working in the US--usually with a smiling Arab man.
You think this comes down to nations making good choices for themselves when it's actually more just socially engineered npcs flocking to your country at the expense of their homeland.
You know how all the best Japanese baseball players go to the us to play MLB?
Well, for the shitskinn world its like that except instead of baseball its everything, and instead of the best its just everybody.
Love is a two-way street though. Senseless altruism, and getting nothing in return, is strange behavior IMHO
Nothing, but it makes sense to help out your ethnic group since it's your brothers and sisters and they will help you. Stronger together. But the average gentile doesn't get that and that's a good thing.
And white people are bombarded with propaganda telling them to be charitable and selfless. I agree, it's an explosive combination.
Because if your selfish you won't share your stuff with me.
Think with Portals OP.
It's okay ME being selfish, but for everyone it shouldn't be allowed. ;)
It makes you predictable. If someone want something from you they can easily bribe you because you only care about your bottom line. Maybe not so bad you might think, being someones puppet for some easy shekels? It might not matter so much if you don't hold a lot of power, but if you are in charge of say a nation or a big company you can do a lot of damage.
Self-interest is not selfishness. Looking after yourself is good. Fucking other people over is not.
I think that everyone should be able to pursue their own interests. If you share stuff with me, you should get something in return.
>I still treat them as people with feelings and needs!
I think the closest I can get is "Are you seeing them as equal with you before your law?"
Leaders of nations try to consolidate their power, and use their influence to take away power from the people. Government is a self-serving entity, that only gives in order to keep the people happy.
>I think that everyone should be able to pursue their own interests.
>If you share stuff with me, you should get something in return.
So you'd go against your own interests to give me something in return? Even in a circumstance where no harm would befall you?
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Your rights end where mine begin. If your pursuit of money finds you as a bank robber, who's to say that's not in your best interest? Its definitely not in the best interest of the bankers you may harm or the hundreds of people you're stealing from. But fuck those guys. They aren't you. They didn't deserve that money!
The thing is, it is in the interest of all individuals to be loyal to the nation and work for its benefit, as long as it is a nation-state acting in good faith. To prioritize just yourself, and to flush your nation down the drain, won't be good for you nor your children in the long run.
Do an internet search for "paradox of hedonism"
To be clear capitalism does not fail society at self enrichment, fascists don’t even bother wanting to stop self enrichment, where capitalism fails is when ones liberty and choices begins to hurt others in society. That is where fascism comes in to limit ones liberty to ones self and not others.
>What is wrong with prioritizing your own interests before others?
As long as you're not a straight white male, nothing.