Why haven’t we mastered it? Why isn’t there regular spaceflight?
Isn’t it curious that we can manage to great things... but only just barely? Barely get to the Moon, barely send a handful of people to space, barely manage to do a few seconds of fusion power, barely create a few cars which can drive by themselves (somewhat), barely managed to have supersonic passenger planes, barely got to the ocean floor etc.
What’s going on?
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HUMANITY WAS NEVER SUPPOSED TO USE NUCLEAR ENERGY.
The first hot air balloon was in the late 1700s, but it wasn't for almost 150 years that flight became a common thing; we also later learned that hot air balloons aren't a very good way to fly. It's the same thing with the moon. Sure we can hot air balloon our way up there, but until we discover a better way we're not going to go very far.
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>why can be only just manage to do expensive/cutting edge shit?
idk
In scientific terms... because it's a lot easier to blow stuff up than it is to put it together.
Generally speaking, replicating the gravitational force of a star is not easy. Do you know something nuclear physicists don't? If so please share. Nearly free unlimited energy would be a real boon for mankind.
Good point. It is still frustrating that there are so many engineering efforts where we get to a certain point... just barely. For instance, we can find thousands of exoplanets... but not a single Earth sized one with water yet.
we already have a massive functioning fusion power generator about 93 million miles away from earth.
these little torus shaped things are never going to work, they are fundamentally flawed. like they literally cannot ever work. research investment scam.
Spaceflight is always going to be super expensive.
That's because it requires a huge amount of energy to put something up into space.
The amount of technological progress we've made in the past 200 years is completely unprecedented.
For the previous 3000 years, life hadn't really changed very much. Things are moving really fast now, but here you are saying it's not moving fast enough. Well, give it 1000 years.
A lack of cooperation...the general lack of quality of the human race, and the perverse obsession with weapons.
we've found a planet with water in our own solar system. read
We've had the knowledge of "how to build machine to make plasma" for decades, but we hit a physical limit with required size. You needed to scale up a reactor to massive volume in order to both fit enough magnets inside AND all the other parts.
Key word was NEEDED.
HTSC (High Temp Super Conductors) have been discovered since JET, allowing reactors to be smaller and operate at higher magnetic fields. They also operate at higher temps (HT), MUCH easier to run then traditional copper superconductors.
Tie that in with other new advancements, and you get ARC/SPARC and Commonwealth Fusion
>When fucking Massholes in Boston get working fusion first
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Fusion requires large amounts of energy to overcome the strong nuclear force. The problem isn't making things fuse, the problem is getting more energy out than you put in.
The main reason we haven't sent people back to the moon is that there isn't much reason to just visit, and setting up a permanent base requires us to study the long term effects of low gravity and living in space. Also, there's not really the financial backing because jewish corporations don't care about long term gains unless it directly helps the jews
Surface water? Which one, Titan? It’s not a planet.
You see, the point is that it's a lot harder to harness a thing. You cannot just start doing a thing, in this example, nuclear fusion, and expect it to work. It takes a lot of theory to it, and making calculations to do this shit takes a lot of computing power, e.g. from supercomputers. And yeah, we can do the fusion, but it isn't profitable (((yet))). We give more than we take.
I'd say it's because we don't correctly understand the goings on of the subatomic world even though our models seem to be close. We have missed something fundamental.
Mostly funding and politics, but SpaceX is making headways with their BFR, and the Wendelstein stellarator over in Germany has just begun operational phases, these things will be elucidated in the coming decades.
We found tons of planets that probably have water, but we can't be that certain because surprise fucking surprise determining the exact conditions in a planet dozens of light years away is kind of difficult
>t. Somali engineer
Musk and Bezos are going to make trillions in the coming decades, kikes are gonna be left hoodwinked.
Are you the user I was talking to in the /zhg/ thread a few nights ago?
mars regularly has liquid surface water near the poles.
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water is obscenely common in the form of ice, it's almost certain that planets that have areas and periods of time where water isn't frozen or evaporated have liquid water. I don't think anyone with a proper education doubts there is water on most of the goldilocks-area terrestrial planets we've discovered.
Got me haha
Yeah in the grand scheme of things the next rich motherfuckers will be the ones to monetize space. Kikes are too busy pleasing shareholders (other kikes) and trying to control everything to take advantage.
I'm telling you, it's easy as fuck to put something in orbit if you don't launch straight up. Build a 100km long railgun somewhere near the equator and you won't even experience significant g forces like current launch tech does. You could get industrial lift capacity doing that but nobody's really interested.
Thank you again for that video on quantum consciousness. That shit is really interesting
>why is it so hard to heat something to several hundred thousand degrees
Hosting the entire third world and all their burdens has slowed us down, we should be living in some Jetsons future by now. Also, because such advances in tech require sacred geometry and that is suppressed.
My pleasure. I think that guy is really on to something. And the Hard Problem of Consciousness is one of the biggest mysteries in science with some of the best potential to revolutionize everything.
Sauce pls?
I would be more excited by a planet of the size or Earth with a liquid water ocean, some land continents, and green stuff that creates an oxygen atmosphere (even better, a nitrogen-oxygen armosphere).
Yes, that is part of a question... actually, the question is even more detailed “why can we actually heat up plasma to 100 million degrees for a few milliseconds... or even for a few seconds” but we still cannot do it sustainablty?
>What’s going on?
All those tech advances last century were low hanging fruit that were in the realm of our daily experience.
Plasmastreams, quantumstates or the vacuum, deadlines and vastness of space are all beyond human experience and natural capabilities.
You avant just sit in your room and observe super hot plasmas in magnetic fields. All these things take a huge amount of resources to analyse, understand and master. And since none of us can experiment on these things on our own there are only few groups worldwide that can deal with the huge problems in these fields. That makes any progress much slower than let's say inventing new wind turbine tech.
the secret of the universe was being kept from us.
Did you know the suns corona is millions of degrees hotter than the surface of the sun?
Not many scientists could explain this because we were taught that space cannot conduct electricity, turns out that's a lie.
A project called SAFIRE in Toronto showed that there's extra math involved in plasma and holds the key to high temperature yield will demonstrably lower power levels.
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I think so as well. No other explanation I've seen has an actual rigorous application of scientific methods to it. The detailed biochemistry is what sells it for me.
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>why is it so hard to have 100 million degree hot plasma right next to superconducting -270 degree mangnets and still have a positive energy production
are you really german? you seem like a retard
>Build a 100km long railgun somewhere near the equator
I thought somebody tried to make a railgun like this a while ago... anyway there was chatter about it.
I agree with you that this is the best way to put things in space. It's still expensive just in terms of the minimum energy cost though (disregarding engineering practicalities).
Quantum consciousness stuff is totally bogus
it's hard because plasma physics was still in its infancy when tokamak and even stellarators were designed.
>Quantum consciousness stuff is totally bogus
Care to give an actual reason instead of a refutation? I'm not saying it's obviously true, but it seems to be onto something.
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adding quantum to anything is how you convince slightly above average iq retards that it could be a thing
Because Einstein was wrong, and science keeps making excuses for him in the form of "dark" this or that. Science is full of kikes.
Do you know a single goddamn thing about particle physics, OP? Try opening a book you faggot.
It's significantly less expensive due to the nature of the energy. Rather than using dangerous chemical fuel, you can simply hook it up into the energy grid and feed it with nuclear or natgas power plants. If you want to be really autistic, you can even put solar near it. Plus you can design 100% of the system to be reusable, kind of like Musk is doing with SpaceX.
The main cost is the construction and maintenance of the railgun itself, and dealing with air pressure at those high speeds. Launch vehicles might wind up looking like those super secret stealth bombers that would hit mach 5.
>Why is it so hard to do fusion power?
We have no fucking helium 3 to cool the reactor down to a stable temperature.
Yeah goy keep believing those sweet space exploration theory
Yes, that's true. And plenty of people do that. The video I linked doesn't. Just because retards misunderstand quantum physics doesn't mean the statement "consciousness is a quantum phenomena" is somehow bogus. It's not really testable yet, but many things aren't testable and may be in the future.
Assuming "quantum ____" means it's bullshit is just as stupid as assuming "quantum ____" means it's totally real.
I hate new age faggots as much as anyone else but just because they're ignorant doesn't mean we have to ignore the fundamental idea that consciousness may arise from quantum phenomena.
Can anyone explain to me why this fusion donut thing looks the way that it does?
Thanks
it's not posible ,you can only waste energy doing fusion,not make, we aren't capable of making and containing our own little "sun",as simple as that
All the low hanging fruits have been picked.
>Why haven’t we mastered it?
(((guess)))
Why isn't this posted on /sci/ ?
This.
To make fusion power work we need more research into plasma physics and these guys are providing it.
Here's the video for anyone interested:
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The best part is around 35:00 when they explain that they managed to completely vaporize an $8000 tungsten probe in seconds with just 180W of plasma.
All thats really left is automation. And then hopefully we can create some kind of AI that just shits our blueprints for things we cant fathom, But have the materials for.
it's a twisted toroidal shape, like a french cruller, in order to squeeze the plasma more and better fuse the element in the stream.
The contraption works but doesn't generate more power than it takes to run it, that wasn't the intention of the design, it was just used to prove this design won't explode
... or we all stopped taking risks and are just rehashing old stuff.
It's fucking hard. There is probably some physics specific long tail rule about it.
thank you for the link, didn't think anyone else was interested
We were only barely able to gas the jews?
>"Oh, a thread on Fusion, I will teach them!"
>Thread devolves into Clinton P1zzagate bullshit memes
Never change fags, never change
Spinning plasma needs to be held in a magnetic field. Unfortunately, the plasma stuff isn’t just spinning around in perfect circles, but they spin around and interact. The Wendelstein stellarator is the best approximation we have to keep the plasma confined the longest.
Solve containment. I'll wait.
Are you reading the same thread I am user?
yeah that's gunna be cheap to build and maintain
Tallest building - 1,800 feet
Lets build a rail gun up into the sky
>What is cutting edge
we need a new version with the updated plasma physics equations.
With only 270 watts of input power there formed a 3,000,000 C shell around the anode, that's magic bby
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The reason to doubt quantum consciousness on its face is because we know that consciousness is a phenomena that spans a wide area of the brain. There's no such thing as a quantum phenomenon which occupies such a wide spacial region.
States of consciousness can be crudely measured by eeg machines. Choices can be predicted on that basis. This means the phenomenon is macroscale.
source? literally doesn't make sense, unless you're saying someone has a working fusion reactor?
It’s literally because of diversity hires. I did one year of college in engineering before dropping out because it was full of poo in loos and chinks that they would hire over me. The crazy thing is that I’m smarter than almost all of these physicists but I’m working as a cashier at target because Jews made it impossible for an aryan male to get a good job so I had to drop out
>3 posts in 70
>Thread devolves into Clinton P1zzagate bullshit memes
checked
More like a "Star in a Jar" experiment
>"He only shit in part of the cake batter, you can't even TASTE it user!"
The EU reactor is a failure in the making. Even while in the EU us bongs saw it coming and started our own smaller development that rewards success instead of throwing all the eggs into the same basket.
>There's no such thing as a quantum phenomenon which occupies such a wide spacial region.
And the theory in that video doesn't claim that it does. The quantum effects are within the microtubules in certain parts of the brain. The brain would be a quantum computer, and by your logic a quantum computer could never be macroscale.
The idea outlined in the video also incorporates our current understanding of EEG.
Yah but its not smooth or whatever.. What are all the bits and quarks popping out of it?
>4.3% of something constitutes "devolving into it"
>the cake batter has trace amounts of iron in it. IT'S DEVOLVING INTO METAL OMG
Fission is working today, why aren't we investing in it over fusion.
Apples to oranges? Taking my analogy and changing SHIT into IRON.
Nigger go to bed
Jesus guy, you just want to complain. Anything barely done is a proof of concept that often gets used on a large scale later on when the process is better understood.
At one point:
>we barely charged a rod, now we have electricity in every home.
>we barely grew a few crops, now we have industrial sized farms feeding cities.
>we barely flew in canvas covered planes, now we can hop on a jet to anywhere in the world.
>we barely spotted mars in a telescope, now we have rovers roaming the surface.
Soon:
>we barely got a human on mars
>we barely started a colony on mars
>we barely started a city on mars
We will never see any of that if everyone decided to complain like you.
Here is our current reactor that reached 15 million C in June.
Still waiting for the EU to even turn their prototype on.
>being this retarded
>completely missing the metaphor entirely
Anarchist education
>I’m telling you it’s easy as fuck...
>build a 100km long rail gun...
>The brain would be a quantum computer
It can't be a quantum computer (in the usual sense of the term) because the human brain is definitely not a solution to the decoherence problem.
Are quantum effects happening in the brain? Yes.
Are they critical to consciousness?
no way
This looks dope
See this SAFIRE thing.. All white men . But yah Canadian uni's are all chinks arabs and poo's. They pay the most to come here as international students. Jews are to blame, obviously
Potential benefits. Yeah you can milk your goat for milk but what if there was a cow in that neighbouring valley you could invest into?
yuropoors are all about job security and getting funding for megaprojects and aren't really trying
We've already figured it out in the USA but the advent of fusion power would cripple our leading geopolitical position so we're going to keep it secret for another 50 years.
I just really love winning.
dissolve hydrogen in liquid sodium under a high pressure. cavitate to sonoluminescence. you're welcome.
the whole assembly has to be cooled to -270 C for the magnets to work, the bulk of the design is just for that purpose.
can relate brother
>t. dropout cashier
Because the science, theory, and approach is wrong. You can make all of the prototypes you want and dump billions of dollars you want into it. It won't yield results because the theories are wrong, the science is incomplete, and the approach is literally a bruteforced joke. It will come when it is set to come. You know this by the joke that is played on you up until then and the invisible barrier to success that clouds these megalithic projects. Just look at this over-complicated mess.... When you get it right, you won't need such an over-engineered confinement field.
>When you get it right, you won't need such an over-engineered confinement field.
I agree with this.... but we need to build these shitty things as a way to improve the theory.
We'll never know anything about fusion systems if we don't build them.
how about trying to develop the technology that would be more cost efficient in terms of energy used so the railgun would be 5-10 km long, instead of 100?
there's no point of building such an infrastructure that would be completely obsolete in next 25 years compared to avilaible technology, for a budget comparable to net worth of average country
Plasma physicist here, tl;dr version is that plasma physics is complicated... very complicated. The toy models we use for explaining fusion at a first order level are 1D or 2D and have nice, neat, analytic solutions and make a lot of convenient assumptions about the distribution of energy, the interactions between particles, the types of flows, the uniformity of the fields, etc. In reality, things are so, SO much more complicated. Your physics is described by a 3D, *highly* non-linear system of equations, collisions can't be ignored, neutrals can't be ignored, turbulence can't be ignored, field gradients can't be ignored, bits of the chamber getting flaked off can't be ignored, and on and on the list goes.
To use an analogy, the difference between the simplified, toy models of steady-state fusion, and the actual physics and engineering obstacles that need to be overcome to make it practical, is like the difference between the top picture and the bottom picture. Both illustrate the same thing, but one is a great deal more complicated.
If we were self-sufficient, then we would have great resistance against the Jews and their tricks. If we were off-world we might escape the reservation entirely, and then the Jews wouldn't be able to control our evolution anymore. They wouldn't be able to turn Earth into a stagnant third-world hell planet, because what if Whitey came back with a vengeance?