This place is wild, can't even begin to dissect all the insecurity and hatred here...

Certain toxic masculine behaviours are pretty much a bundle of insecurities, the real red pill is dropping out of gender roles completely and stopping comparing yourself to impossible standards of masculinity

>democratic control
>collective ownership

Got it, so no individual ownership and no individual rights.

As a socialist; you're a nazi or a communist-- there is no such thing as socialism separable from these two outcomes of idiot collectivism.

Your failures are your own, and I am not sorry for my position as your better.

Now we expropriate the means of production from the capitalist class and give it to the workers to be run democratically, and move to the principle of 'from each according to their ability, to each according to their need', removing profit and instead focusing on only producing what people need, removing many useless jobs and giving people far more time to focus on advancement of society and leisure. For more info read the conquest of bread by peter kropotkin

the only property that needs to be removed is private property aka the means of production; factories, farms, and anything else used to generate profit. You're confusing this with personal property. Nazism is a far right ideology, i am a communist, which has been vastly misrepresented by the media as soviet style state capitalism, see my post above for the actual beliefs of many communists

OK and how do we measure each need and ability?

How do you think business works?

Well ability is based on what field of work you are specialised in, and needs is what the person or family needs to live comfortably (read all necessities eg food water shelter)

What if I dont want to work. And what if I need a 200" tv to play xbox on?

I figured this question would come up. I think a lot of people just assume work is meant to be hated given under a capitalist system you mostly aren't working for any tangible goal than to line someone's pockets. This is referred to as alienation. Under a communist system not only would you be working far less (which would be further reduced by embracing automation, currently avoided due to human lablur being cheaper), you would be working to support your community which is far more enriching, socially i think there would be a move towards working as an expectation like we view housework in families now. In terms of need for luxury, kropotkin suggests anyone who needed a luxury item would engage in an organised society of different people working in that field, and by giving a small amount of your labour to this society you would eventually receive one of these luxury items. This is the principle on which many anarchist organisations currently function

Barter? So much for a "planned economy"

>This place is wild, can't even begin to dissect all the insecurity and hatred here. Just wanted to let you guys know there is a way out
Why should we listen to an anti-White racist that supports White genocide?

The way out is nationalist socialism.

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Haven't i given a pretty reasonable response to your question? Your response doesn't really make sense or relate to what i just said

Why do you think i'm a racist?

Fuck you. YOU are on the wrong side of history

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I'm not a big fan of genociding minorities so no thanks

You don't work, you don't get nice shit. As opposed to the current system under which you don't work, you starve.

It's at least an upgrade.

Checky your image quality friend

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>Why do you think i'm a racist?
Because you support the beliefs and policies that will cause the genocide of the White race.
Since you support the genocide of the White race you must hate the White race.
Since you hate the White race, you're a racist.

Hey I want to lose weight, whixh socialist paradise do you recommend; North Korea or Venezuela?

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>who created the infrastructure and the conditios for that worker to have a job to start with?
It's not a single person that's responsible. Those with capital, while the workers carried it all out.

How does democratising the means of production lead to the 'genocide' of a hazily described collection of different cultures?

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>The guy who will promise raises and run everything into the ground
>The guy that was born and bred for this one particular job.
Gee tough choice.

>Got it, so no individual ownership and no individual rights.
>As a socialist; you're a nazi or a communist-- there is no such thing as socialism separable from these two outcomes of idiot collectivism.

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Democratic control is inherently flawed because it will lead to a party system and naturally divide the workers.

Socialism is a transitory phase to communism

Explain to me how such a concept works on a physical level.

So the profit the factory has made is literally equally distributed to the workers, instead of a wage?

Also, why so much emphasis on production in socialism/communism? You know just because someone doesn't produce something doesn't mean they aren't working, someone has to organise the factory, someone has to run it, someone has to deal with trade and shit.

Unlike capitalism, socialism has failed everywhere it has been tried. And now because of mass immigration it is failing in Europe

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Monarchal state capitalist dictatorship or former oil economy currently being wrecked by capitalists intentionally causing food shortages? Hard choice

Yemen. They're worse off than either, but they're not socialist.

>They are sitting on top of capital and reaping the rewards without doing any work,
Do you really think business owners don't do anything? Sure they've got to a point where they can have an easy life, but they still fucking work, and they still built the company.

Lenin had very, very, very different definitions in mind when he said that.

Yikes so you're basically a monarchist?

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*tips tinfoil hat*

Not exactly true. The 1% produces jobs.

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You ever met factory workers?

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The only way you get to live that way is off of the backs of workers. Also most 'entrepeneurs' are born into wealth

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Have you ever worked at a factory?

You have a manual labor job?
Is your IQ sub 100?

Could you elaborate on this?

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No thanks, I prefer to put the bullet through my own skull, not have the government do it for me.

You're gonna need to cite that, nigger.

European countries are social democrats at most, the migrant crisis is a result of years of imperialism in the middle east

>socialism

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Right faggot,

So I work hard for years in a good quality job earn a stack of cash and decide instead of hookers and blow that I'm GUNNA buy myself a farm to ride dirtbikes, have a few animals and grow a few crops in my retirement,

Next year you cunts get elected what are you going to do to me and my farm that I worked hard all my life to buy?

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Yeah actually my dad is one

>the migrant crisis is a result of years of imperialism in the middle east
Fuck off bong, that's not true and you know it, god damnit

>democracy is bad
I'm sure North Korea is great.

For some corporations, sure.
Not every business is just "make and then sell" most are much more complex. the HR lady has no idea what maintenance is doing, who will vote for different things than security, ect.
>The boss's son always gets the business
bullshit and you know it.
I want someone with a business degree doing the business and someone with a welding certification doing the welding.

>the 1%
>(((international)))

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reds die

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on paper, socialism is like insurance: everyone throws money into a pot, and whoever needs it uses it

in reality, socialism is like insurance: everyone pays for something only one person demands

>How does democratising the means of production lead to the 'genocide' of a hazily described collection of different cultures?
Communism is Jewish and therefore inherently anti-White.

You want to destroy race, family, history, heritage, culture, tradition, nation and faith.

That's how you're anti-White.

Democracy with no limits is bad
Take the UK we have no constitution and therefore no garantuees protections and look at what the govt can do to us compared with you guys where at least you have some protections that democracy isn't supposed to be able to take away from you

Tyrone gets the dirtbike.
Paco gets the goat.
You get the uplifting sensation of helping lazy niggers.
Congrats.

Have you ever worked at a factory yes or no

Depends if your definition of hard work involves exploiting people, but i dont think you should be able to privately own land, so your farm would move to being lublically owned and worked

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>involves exploiting people
exploitation is a subjective concept
prove objective exploitation.
i'll wait.

And thats what would happen except the person with a business degree would be democratically elected

>but i dont think you should be able to privately own land
Because you don't want White people to have any connection to their nation.

>so your farm would move to being lublically owned and worked
owned by Jews and worked by non-Whites.

Unless we start feeding men estrogen and women testosterone this will never happen.

Men will always be majority of physical labor and women will always be majority clerical.

There are few inbetween jobs that accommodate both.

You are an idealistic retard.

No but i dont see how thats relevant

>Communism is Jewish
It's part of an ideology formulated by an ethnic Jew who was raised Lutheran and became atheist. Many of the governments who claimed origins in it were openly and actively antisemitic. But I'm sure communism is Jewish because one of those countries had some Jewish leaders early on before they got purged...

The past with Capitalism, he is fat and out of shape.

The present, with Socialism, he is skinny and fit.

except that elections are popularity contests, not contests of meritocracy

He's going to claim you're not a real worker.

Stealing someones labour to generate profit for yourself

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>There are few inbetween jobs that accommodate both.
Are you retarded?

>implying Venezuela wasn't ruined by price controls, printing money like it's wedding invitations and expropriating industries to be taken over by government ass kissing parasites who only wanted to gut them for their own benefit. Not to mention the National Guard exploiting those shortages creating a black market for food and other essentials.

Yeah, I can see how that was better than the owner's douchebag son taking over the company.

Pic related, it's Venezuela being the richest country in the southern hemisphere under capitalist nationalism.

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So you don't like people being exploited, yet you are happy for a person to work all their life to buy something they dream of and you are happy to send someone else to take it from them ...... yet you think factory owners are evil and stealing from people ?

ARE YOU ACTUALLY A FUCKING RETARDED NIGGER

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None of that is true.

You don't know what it is to make a bussiness, do you really expect the boss to do all the work themselves? There is too much work to do, hence hiring people. The boss still works daily, its only when they become a certain size does the boss's workload decrease.

If by that you mean a slow starvation under Communism so that everyone enjoys the sweet release of death you're right.

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