Why did Jow Forums suddenly turn against Jordan Peterson?

the Jews don't need to do anything, he outright refused to address the Jewish role in Bolshevism described in 200 Years Together, essentially abandoning one of his favorite authors on the subject of Russia and communism, and then came up with a ridiculous explanation of how Jews came to be so dominant in American politics, media, academia:

He claims Jews are more likely to have an IQ of 145, and that is how they attain such power. Meanwhile, the average IQ in Israel is 95. The math doesn't add up.

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>muh white idenitity tribe

>Peterson
>alt-right

He's a centrist like Sargon.

The (((leftist media))) just claimed he was alt-right because he doesn't believe the tranny bullshit and 69 different genders meme.

Jow Forums never supported him because he literally opposes white nationalism, you retarded leaf.

Literally a communist devil worshipper. Don't believe me? Look at the artwork in his house.

He discards the JQ and refrains whites from collectivising

If you're here... Then who's cleaning your room??

He's a good introduction into the redpill, but his shortcomings are obvious. Mainly being he seems to refuse to debate anyone on either the far left, or the far right, and just picks on low hanging fruit. Some exceptions would be people like Sam Harris, but even they are more similar than not, with the impact of religion in our lives being the only main difference.

I'd like to see Jordan Debate the likes of Jared Taylor, Kevin Mcdonald, even meme celebs like Alt Hype or millennial woes. But he refuses to, and for that reason I lost interest. I can only hear "slay the dragon" so many times before I move on looking for more substance.

I did enjoy my time listening to what he says though. But he's an idealist in many ways, and I just can't get behind idealists.

Becoming redpilled means realizing we live in a Jewish matrix. He flagrantly denies and deflects any allegations of Jewish wrongdoing. He is a classic example of a gatekeeper preventing essential knowledge from reaching the goyim.

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he is so fucking gay, I never like (((jordan peterson))), (((richard spencer))), (((lauren southern))), (((styx))), (((milo))), or (((patrick little))).

The second someone is called leader of alt right i know they are controlled opposition.

NO ONE HERE EVER LIKED THAT FUCKING FAGGOT!

youtube.com/watch?v=GMieHgRG_MU

Listening to gatekeeper shills can be ingratiating after awhile. At first it’s interesting because the mystery and subtlety of the song and dance wondering if he’s an /ourguy/ hiding his power level but sooner or later it becomes apparent he’s coward or shill.
>I can’t do it

i'm good friends with a left-of-stalin militant lesbian who identifies as extremely masc and binds her tits
>she asked me a week ago if I knew who peterson was
I lost my fucking shit
I couldn't contain it
I told her she has no fucking idea and revealed a fair amount of my power level but it was 100000% worth it

Ashkenazi Jews - the group that historically lived in Europe - are the ones who have higher IQ than average and who are overrepresented in the American and Israeli upper class. They are still a small minority in Israel.

>kikes: hey Peterson jews jews jews jews jews
>media: why does Peterson hate jews
>kikes: jews jews jews jews
>Peterson: uh antisemitism is bad and not what i am about
>kikes: SEE Jow Forums PETERSON IS A FUCKING KIKE
Repeat for every person Jow Forums ever likes

>promotes SSRI usage
>acts like controlled opp when he stops people from going farther right than civic liberalism

>He doesn't even realize Jews control America etc.
Except he does realize this, user and that's what makes him willingly dangerous, not just foolish.

>They are still a small minority in Israel.
~60% of the country is a "small minority"?

I have trouble trusting people with dependency issues
He's a pillpopping drunkard

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Fucking this. Fuck all these niggers, they dont speak for me

Elaborate. What you say? Did see reply?
Was she implying she liked Peterson?

He's not really relevant to the content of the board. People mock him for acting as a replacement father figure, giving basic life advice, but you're lying to yourself if you don't think that's desperately needed in the lives of a lot of young men today. There are no mentorships anymore. Real role models are difficult to come across, and boomers or gen x "men" make terrible parents.

>White identity is reprehensible
>Shabbos goy
>kike lover
>STOP CELEBRATING YOUR CULTURE AND YOUR ANCESTORS GOYIM
>Stop trying to be a collective be individualist goy, you are stronger like that trust me
yet another kosher nigger loving kike loving anti white (and he isn't white anyway... look at that slimy camel-like kike face)

>alt-right
lol you're such a faggot memelord. They're just as autistic as kekistanis and liberals

i havent turned against him, i just think he is way ahead of his time

all of his ideas are perfectly fine and acceptable, in the white ethnostate, until then its every race for itself. whites tried individualism in western nations and guess what happened? lo and behold the kikes came rolling in to subvert this new flourishing civilisation.

until peterson can address and answer "but what if nonwhites dont accept his ideas and only whites do", his theories are just shelved as liberal optimism

>A pseudo intellectual
who would you consider a "genuine" intellectual in modern times?

Then why do Ashkenazi Jews only make up 2% of the top performing high school students?

It's evident that ethnic nepotism is responsible for them getting into positions of power when 67% of Harvard grad students are Jewish.

Oh, and by the way, famous Jews like Spielberg even admit that they scouted actors at Bat Mitzvahs (that dumbass from the new Han Solo movie and the HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US flag boy).

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No one turned against him, the only people who talk shit about Peterson are faggot ass lefties. Hes served his purpose and retreated back into normalcy. God bless

you don't even speak for you

juden Peterstein

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The problem is the he never goes beyond that.
Eventually that individualism becomes ruthless power struggle and endless competition with your fellow man, which is kinda fine, but it misses a big point of comradery.
He directly opposes collectivism when whites are at risk of becoming minorities in their own countries. Individualism will not help you then. You will be a sheep in a sea of wolfpacks.
I really wanted to like jbp but he is the preacher of boomerism status quo

I felt the same, but it gets better

Jow Forums is contrarian by nature but in the end most of >us still support him

Is just easy to dogpile for keks

He's a centrist. Just a guy that sits on the fence. He's entry-level and mainly baby's first red pill. Also, he hates being asked the JQ.

I think he's great but still he dances around the jew/nigger iq issue like a cuck and has an absolutely retarded diet because of his daughter

also "juden peterstein" is kinda funny

They turned on him almost right away.
>alt right
Made up MSM term.

>suddenly
We have plenty of decent philosophers. Start with Evola.

>He doesn't even realize Jews control America etc.
He knows. He also knows that admitting it will not only end his career, but likely will result in the destruction of himself and his family. He's operating deep in enemy territory and there's only so far he can go without drawing (((their))) wrath. The only reason he has survived so so far is his popularity happened so fast it caught (((them))) completely flat footed. By the time (((they))) started moving against vhim, it was already too late. He had gained enough notice that he had other avenues when (((they))) tried to lock him out of Google. So there's an uneasy truce. Peterson understands that he can't openly broach the Jewish Question, but he can, and does, talk around it and sidles right up next to it while talking about Communism, Marxism and Post Modernism. He references Solzhenitsyn all the time and when asked directly who backed Communism said in a flat, deadpan voice, "I can't answer that." So yeah. He knows. He just can't tell you directly. But he scatters breadcrumbs all around the issue for you to follow, if you're not stupid.

individualism didnt fail, it just became obsolete when literacy and reading stopped being our primary instrument of attaining information.
Minorities and women (who were the least affected by the literacy age) were the quickest to be swept up in the electronic age of television/radio/inet (which has a corporatizing effect) while whites were still shaking off the past of literary dominance

People just hate him because it's funny but I don't think most of us sincerely hate him.

Leaf is right
Even socialism MIGHT be possible, but only in completely white societies that care about social cohesion more than money

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Because he turned against the alt right. Especially Faith Goldy.

I personally think no one can match up against autistic Doolittle in terms of having a highly sophisticated and solid political/philosophical understanding of the current world.

But that being said, I do think Jordan is a pretty high level thinker. He just a massively brainwashed baby boomer so he gets a lot of things wrong.

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He seems to be a genuine man who wants the best for everyone, but through logical means. Granted, he isn't going to name the Jews, but he has gotten a lot of people on the path of the JQ.

Jordan Peterson is a shabbos, nothing lower than a shabbos.

I just did, you faggot

Exactly, Peterson is shilled against just like anyone else right of center who gains any traction on YouTube. He's doing good operating within the frame and power vectors he has at his disposal.

The audiobook is much better. It does meander a bit, but you'll find that it all comes together at the end.

The good thing about him is that the JQ follows him around like a bad smell. And his deflection and lame excuses are like putting a redpill down on the table in front of the viewer.
Also he constantly tells his white listeners that everybody else is becoming tribal, then at the end tells them that they shouldn't.
Its like he takes them 90% of the way there.
He's either a blind fool, or he's hiding a high power level.

We weren't asking the right questions. JP is an academic who demonstrated the outline for self-improvement, but is in a position where he couldn't objectively cite any sources about the powers that be.
It was up to us to ask the right questions with behavior psychology, phrased in neutral terms as not to identify groups but inquire about an individuals role in 000groups000

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>mfw pol is embodiment of 1 person even though this place has been invaded by normies from plebbit and other trash sites

He's spent a great deal of time studying the Soviet Union and cultural subversion. There's no way he doesn't understand who is behind it all. If he doesn't obfuscate a bit with words like "Communists" and "cultural Marxists," he will be shunned by the media.

We have to play the game for a few turns, it's only just begun. We can't ask him about Jews, we have to ask him specifics about evolutionary psychology pulling from MacDonald and the methodology outlined in Solzhenitsyn's work.
It cannot be phrased in terms of "muh juice", it has to be reference specific examples with citations. He is an intellectual, and is on our side. The master is waiting for the student to learn the patterns before he provides more information.

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>leaf
>thinks the alt-right is real
You need to go back

This is accurate. Peterson's role is to wake white men up and force them to shoulder their responsibilities. He's not going to be the one to teach about the Jews.

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No I think you fail to understand Peterson and his view on the JQ. Peterson sees people who buy into the idea of Jews controlling the world as people who are deep down inside envious of Jewish success.
He is a Sargonian, horseshoe theorist. He thinks both the far-right and far-left are envious of other people's success.

So I disagree that he is on Jow Forums's side ultimately, he is a Sargon/liberalist. He is not a shill for the Jews either. Just completely misinformed, brainwashed, and suffers from cognitive dissonance.

I think that's more likely.
That guy that brought up Jewish revenge through bolshevism at his Q&A. Imagine if that guy was scripted on order of Peterson. That guy was given quite a lot of time to talk, he didn't get shut down like some people say, and Petersons response couldn't have been better without him advocating expulsion or death to Jews. He told his audience clearly that they're was no answer to that question. And the clip spread around the Internet like wildfire after too.

yes, we all know how the deck has been stacked, and the game has been rigged. when one cries out in anger at the carny we are met with blows from other carnival goers who are upset we broke the illusion.
It is up to us, if the Kavanagh "hearings" if they were even that are any measure it is only further proof of the bias against WASPs by the elites. DESU I think Kavanagh is an Irish name which a separate group, historically Catholic, who have never launched a full blown invasion of another land.

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>the alt-right
Literally not even a thing.
The term was invented by the dumb fuck media as a bogey-man for liberals and boomers

peterson is a philosopher through analogy and metaphor
is relation to understanding and conveying that message is best through the words of others which he just repeats and reduces to their finer qualities
it's like relating everything to a simpsons quote

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Jow Forums is not one person.
People against JP are ignorant of the Overton window or just outright shills.
we don't have anyone over 200 IQ so we have no real philosophers.

I heard he insisted we wash our dicks, it was a step too far.

I'll agree with your "brain-washed boomer" evaluation, i'm sure Peterson loved watching Norma Rae in theaters.
That being said I don't know if he has done enough research into group-behavioral psychology. He is intentionally or unintentionally reminding the goyim that what has always made us stand out is our competitive nature and our drive to be the best.
Jews don't want to the best amongst everyone, they only strive to be the best Jew. I've had multiple Jews explain this to me; as a Jew you think in terms of Judaism before thinking of yourself. Goys think in terms of how their stability and influence affect the "tribe". Since 1965 America has descended into a tribe of obese mutts with no interest in helping our neighbors.

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Because he's not really saying anything new. Calling a man who spouts truisms like "clean your room" a philosopher is a bit of a stretch.

...my 136 can only go so far senpai...

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He comes off as a charlatan that just condenses other philosopher's more sophisticated ideas. I don't know, something just rubs me the wrong way about him, it is hard to put precisely in to words.

Who tells the truth.

OH NONONONONO
youtube.com/watch?v=yqtPsEXZTec

Q - Zionist
Alex Jones - Zionist
Jerome Corsi - Zionist
Roger Stone - Zionist
PJW - Zionist
Posobiec - Zionist
Bannon - Zionist
Ben Shapiro - Zionist
Jordan Peterson - Zionist
Geert Wilders - Zionist
Sam Harris - Zionist
Spencer - Zionist
Mich Enoch - Zionist
Lauren Southern - Zionist
Faith Goldy - Zionist
Sellner/Pettibone - Zionist
Tommy Robinson - Zionist
Ann Coulter - Zionist
Molyneux - Zionist
Cernovich - Zionist
George Webb - Zionist
Jason Goodman - Zionist
Matt Couch - Zionist
Milo - Zionist
JF - Zionist
Andrew Anglin - Zionist
Weev - Zionst
Sargoy of Mossad - Zionist
Kyle Chapman - Zionist
Stephen Crowder - Zionist
David Duke - ?Zionist shill?
Laura Loomer - Zionist
Patrick Little - Zionist
Gavin mccines - Zionist
Jared Taylor - Zionist
Robert spencer - Zionist
Pamela geller - Zionist
Charlie kirk - Zionist
Candice owens - Zionist
Thomas paine - Zionist
Douglas murray - Zionist
Joe Rogan - Zionist shill
Kate Hopkins - Zionist
Elon Musk - Zionist
Kanye West - Zionist

juden peterstein

He's okay, just kind of a cuck. I don't think anyone on pol hates him that much except for shills posting their character assassination threads and talking to each other

Ask the right questions:
Solzhenitsyn
kevinmacdonald.net/

He is an academic, play by his rules for a few turns, place him in a position that cannot be dodged where you already you know the answer.

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I have a hard time believing 60% of the Israeli population is Ashkenazi. Jewish, sure. But Ashkenazi? Gonna need a source on that.

Because Jow Forums is a Nazi board therefore we value society

Peterson is taking the easy way out individualism not that it's wrong it has its place but he always usess it as his main weapon in discussions but it can easily be used for "be what you want shit"
There needs to be balance between individual/society
The fact that he is color blind just makes it worse
The only reason some on the right like him and think he is good is because he doesn't like the left and is in constant battle against them..easy to sympathize
+ He is shilled by (((them)))

Good reply.

I've heard it's majority mizrahi but no sauce.
Satmar (Ashkenazi Hassidics) hate Israel.

>a pseudo intellect

lmao you don't even know what that means

It's almost as if a strong individual is a valued member of society and healthy society can be the foundation for raising strong individuals. Gee whiz that really hypes my hippocampus, I thought everything was a polar extreme with no middle ground.

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Cognitive Dissonance of Jordan Peterson (& of Individualist in General)
youtube.com/watch?v=sVvSSmYra1Y

youtu.be/LsB5vHs_83Q?t=14m28s

youtube.com/watch?v=dnrT7yZEV-g

youtube.com/watch?v=DXkwCtW0v2s&bpctr=1518191636

youtu.be/a8zLcMGCedA

youtube.com/watch?v=WNgkvcMJ8O0&feature=youtu.be

thelastpsychiatrist.com/2010/02/the_other_ego_epidemic.html

thelastpsychiatrist.com/2010/11/a_generational_pathology.html

Peterson is the drooling peanut brain Wojack of internet psychology, and he hasn't even begun to understand what he's really fighting. Can't even name it.

Peterson also single handedly brought christkikery back into the minds of the far right which is one of the key things jews love to happen. When the goy start worshiping the jew its so easy to control them.

Canadians seem pretty cool with dead-jew, I think it has to do with their biggest migrant populace being hardworking chinksects and not a murderous horde at their southern border.
>What is myopic?

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i havent been on Jow Forums in months and its still the exact same faggoty threads

>why did Jow Forums turn on juden peterstein?
>is sargoy /our goy/?
>U mad Wh*Te boi?

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It explains in the first part of his book why he has that in his house, it's meant to be provocative. He has nazi shit as well

thats why jews spend so much effort debasing christian morality and relentlessly attacking the church with smears and psych warfare right? because they love christians so much

thanks

Anyone with common sense opposes the direction the left took with identity politics. He gained fame because he spoke out in an environment that discourages it (canadian university) and he doesn't give a fuck who opposes him.

However he refuses to name the J and Jow Forums hates him for it.

It doesn't help they fall for the share blue character assassination threads.

I've not read his writings, but he's a good public speaker. I kinda like the fella.

His actual problem has nothing to do with refusing to name jews, it's that he tells whites who listen to him not to be collectivist, not to look our for their own people and community, meanwhile every other race on the planet is doing exactly that and colletively disenfranchising us in our own countries.

For that alone he is at best a fool.

I was taken aback by the sudden 180° turn on this guy. For a long time Jow Forums were promoting him. Then a concerted effort to destroy his credibility on the same site. It's fucking annoying. I have to believe that Jow Forums will do similar 180°s on other beliefs.

Fair enough, but I will raise the point that buy publicly speaking out, according to the media he is by default an alt-right nazi so he has to tread carefully. That means focusing the wrongs of the left and avoiding anything that can be interpreted as white nationalism.

He's bringing people to the right. He can't redpill them at the same time. That's the job for someone else.