Who would win?

China can win by doing nothing.

The USA will soon be another Afro-Ghoul/ Hispanic shithole and promptly collapse under the weight of the hordes.

China will simply outlast them. Unless whites in America actually start doing something that is.

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China imports more drinking water than the u.s. imports or has imported oil 1.5 billion mouths to feed and water and their rescources are fucked also supply lines?

You'd think China based on that chart at first but when it gets to airforce and then navy, it's painfully obvious to tell that US would curb stomp China by the disparity there.

You can have a million more troops and twice as many tanks, but you can't have a thousand less aircraft.

There's basically no way for china to get any troops to the mainland US and even if they did the numbers of armed citizens alone make the prospects daunting.

basically what the "jews fear the samurai" guy said

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guessing that in case of a war i think they will speed up the production of airplanes

youtube.com/watch?v=1y1e_ASbSIE

>destroyers

nigger who was retarded enough to make this list? someone from the fucking 1920's?

where is the larger comparisons of naval and air force capabilities? those are what win wars nowadays. Also nice job not comparing technology of equipment, im sure both sides will use the exact same gear

There will be no hot war. America wants one, but they wont be given one. We're not as stupid as the belligerent japanese.

We have thousands of years of warfare experience and wisdom. Fuck the dude saying we never won wars against foreigners. Wars are messy with lots of deaths. But we're still around.

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fpbp

China is very close to having superiority in the western Pacific.

Having a larger, better navy and larger, better air force on paper doesn't mean shit if China has local superiority over what we have there when they strike. They could easily wipe out our bases in the region and there's literally nothing we could do. Send more stuff? Where? You can't just send over a bunch of fighter planes without a place to put them. The concentration of force is tipped heavily in their favor.

This is why our partnerships with other countries in the region are so fucking crucial.

I think they would be another coldwar scenario and USA to have a slow death from mexicans, jews and niggers while China + Russia watches.

>Hong Kong

>destroyers
>force projection

pick one

>Japan
Limited military presence
>South Korea
Would be kept at bay and even attacked overwhelmingly by best Korea.
>Australia
Would most likely be attacked from within by the chinese migrants, don't under estimate the hivemind. Unless they negotiate with the emu overlords, don't expect much.

Your partnerships in the region are only on the surface. China is the money. Money is what matters. We are what matter in the Pacific, other countries realize this.

Aircraft carriers not listed dumbass

>chinks can be as evil as they want because money and numbers

This is why nobody likes you

It really doesn't. In order to get a win condition, we eventually have to go over to their zone of control, and that'll be an impossible war for us. Especially if they have Iran,Russia, and Syria on their team. Our allies can't even keep their equipment operational, meanwhile Iran and China can cut us off from the straits of Hormuz and Malacca by just shooting ASBMs and ASCMs and there's nothing we can do about it at that point except shoot long range missiles and hope they all hit with few interceptions in between.

Show them another nanjing Japanon.

The strong do as they will, the weak do as they must.

You either choose to be safe or rich, Japan. You can't have both.

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en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Next_100_Years:_A_Forecast_for_the_21st_Century&oldid=769633916

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Yeah China has no fucking allies at all, That's a not insignificant problem.

Do it again Hisao Tani!

Screencapping this for prosperity. This is gonna be good.

Pic is inaccurate.

>soviet tech
sure, kid

We have allies, Canada.

Troop numbers, Artillery and Tanks are meaningless if you can't get them into position.
US's superior Air Force and Naval capacity will protect against any invasion.

Therefore the only one who can successfully invade, will be the US. Engaging in a land war in Asia is the height of stupidity though.

Screencapping this for posterity. This is gonna be good

I mean that's not exactly true. They're tight with Russia economically and they both participate in SCO, and China sells Iran most of it's ASBMs and cruise missiles now.

The real shame is that you can tell that the Hong Konger isn't really from Hong Kong, he's some mainlander trout.

Chinks are basically yellow jews, I've been realizing this slowly over the last couple of years. They think they are meant to control the goyim/gwailos, that they are superior, muh middle kingdom and all that. No morality is needed, everything is justified in this quest for power.

This may be a "winning" strategy but everyone realizes chinks are basically savages, even worse than jews because at least jews take care of their own.

>Troop numbers, Artillery and Tanks are meaningless if you can't get them into position.

The same applies to ships and planes though, m8. China could easily defeat anything we can do in their own back yard, and it wouldn't even be a contest. We just have no way to concentrate enough force over there so as to not be overwhelmed in the air and on the sea. Japan needs to build up its military pronto and help a brother out, all we have over there is Okinawa

they should have implemented douglas macarthur's plan.....nuclear fire all along the yalu river.

Once we get a whiff of Japan getting rid of article 9 we're going to start killing off their politicians.

China. Usa would lose any 1v1

you think the Russians and Chinese trust each other? I'm sure the overflowing Chinese population would love some of that empty land and resources currently uninhabited. There's certainly no love between these two authoritarian giants.

>even worse than jews

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China’s worthless navy means it will fight an entirely defensive war. Meanwhile us will prop up anti Commie rebels all over China causing to split from within. Coastal cities will be lost but deep air penetration will cause high us airmen casualties. The war will the. Be 9ne of attrition. Fighting geurillas. China looses either way. Short of nuking the US mainland, China has no chance.

The Jews really fucked us with nukes. Without them the us would have built a world empire by now.

Let's say, in an invasion, which country could defend itself the best.
Well that has to be the US. China would have to rely on their tiny airforce and destroyers, and couldn't leave their home undefended.
Conversly china is so much bigger than the US that it's defensive capabilities are much weaker, even with the larger numbers.

Now let's consider counterattack.
The US, again, has some major advantages. The ships mean a faster, larger counter attack, even if the ground war would slow down. US troops get pretty high kill/death ratios, and unlike the chinese, are filled primarily with soldiers who have already seen foreign war theaters.
China counterattacking the us after defending an invasion would be an absolute disaster. At best they could raze the western seaboard with their subs, assuming they had enough to spare.
Lastly, let's look at the aftermath
Win, lose, or draw, china will likely be instantly invaded. By who? Russia, japan, north korea, nearly anyone, or everyone. If china takes on the american giant, everyone knows it'll be too weak to defend against damn near anyone.
For the US, a win against china would basically make the world shit it's pants from fear. Especially if it leads to a US presence in china.
A draw would leave the US no more vulnerable, as canada and mexico would be making too much money in our recovery trade to even think of a military action. That, and they're wimps.
If the US loses, the mexican drug cartels will start carving up the southern states, the west will go to china, but anything east of the rockies will likely stay as some form of the US.

lol good luck with that chankoro.

Macarthur not nuking China may be the greatest military blunder in history if the chinks actually decide to wage war

*tungsten rods you from space*

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>China when talking about opportunities in the USA: everything is easy but nothing is possible
>China when talking about opportunities China today: everything is hard but nothing is impossible

Are they right?

No seriously, we can blend in. Just walk around with our heads down looking desperate and horny. You to Malay..... you are destined for the camps.

>you think the Russians and Chinese trust each other
Enough to realize they're the only chance they have to beat their mutual and long term rival, yes. It's not even personal- it's just good business.
>There's certainly no love
You've been out of the loop for the last thirty years. Let me catch you up: Sino-Soviet split is over, they are in several security and economic organizations headed by themselves, and they've backed each others economies with each other's currencies. That's why western sanctions were so ineffective.

Authoritarian is just a buzzword at this point, don't insult our intelligence.

Chinks think they are tough because they can bully little girls now. Fucking pathetic.

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USA would rape China you stupid frog. US military hasn't been unleashed since 1945.

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It's amazing how many people believe that Jews control the United States.

Lol chinas navy is a joke, their best bet it is the 8ncredibly loud diesel subs which are ancient and easy to spot.

Their air fighters are archaic and will lose at best 3:1 and at worst 20:1 or more.

The biggest losses will be their aa net deeper I the country. USA has already shown they can take this out with immense precision in the Iraq war, but China is bigger. I cannot doubt the us has some EW tricks up their sleeve. Also southern and western provinces will have massive revolts.

You guys should go full 731 on those subhuman chinks.

My post said nothing of the sort. Are all you hosers fucking obnoxious?

Submarines, aircraft and destroyers. Enough said for Merca' - chinks wouldn't have a chance bruh.

If america gets attacked it can win
If america attacks it will loose since it's infiltrated with communists filked with nonwhites that aren't loyal and will start revolting and looting just as they do when a hurrycane hits

>Meanwhile us will prop up anti Commie rebels all over China causing to split from within. Coastal cities will be lost but deep air penetration will cause high us airmen casualties. The war will the. Be 9ne of attrition. Fighting geurillas. China looses either way. Short of nuking the US mainland, China has no chance.

China has three different ASBMs, all three of which can be stationed on the islands they're building(yes, they're building islands in the pacific) that can hit the straits of Malacca without having to lift a finger, sail a ship, or fly an aircraft. Why is that important?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strait_of_Malacca
>From an economic and strategic perspective, the Strait of Malacca is one of the most important shipping lanes in the world.
>Over 94,000 vessels[6] pass through the strait each year (2008) making it the busiest strait in the world,[7] carrying about 25% of the world's traded goods, including oil, Chinese manufactured products, coal, palm oil and Indonesian coffee.
China would retain control of it's primary sea based trade route, and the US would lose a vast portion of it's trade to the middle east, subcontinent, and Africa. Not to mention everything that those countries plus China produce that we do not.

>US airmen with big dicks swoop in at 2PM after burger buffet, drop bombs, all Chinese men runaway with hands covering their dicks and the specifically white american males descend down like Gods to have pussy buffet while the non white Americans stand in the background clapping. America wins the war! By dinner time! :'D

Fuck off.

>A draw would leave the US no more vulnerable, as canada and mexico would be making too much money in our recovery trade to even think of a military action. That, and they're wimps.
>If the US loses, the mexican drug cartels will start carving up the southern states, the west will go to china, but anything east of the rockies will likely stay as some form of the US.
Optimistic. The war would be economically self destructive even in a stalemate. There's no social cohesion in the west. One more economic downturn and I wouldn't doubt it if we started balkanizing.

Well if you think that the Russians would rush to the defense of China I don't know what to tell you. Maybe they'd sell them arms but Russia sells to everyone.

Feels good man.

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the orbitals would make it a quick war assuming any chinese aggression, none of those types are ever in control of the main

Chinese ASBM are a meme and untested. With full countermeasures we cannot know the real ability outside of puffed up red propaganda.

>Their air fighters are archaic and will lose at best 3:1 and at worst 20:1 or more.

Who the fuck cares when all our bases nearby will be wiped out by cruise missiles within 48 hours of a conflict, and it is literally impossible for us to deploy even 1/4th of our arsenal over there? In every way we'd be severely outnumbered by a rapidly modernizing Chinese military close to its own bases.

Even if we had 8 CVBGs on station it wouldn't be enough. If they are far away to avoid the threat of subs and missiles, our strike packages would have long flight times and hence less/smaller sorties, and still be overwhelmed by chink flights close to their borders. If we move our CVBGs closer in we're going to lose some.

This is why we need allies. We need bros like Japan, Philippines and Vietnam to give us further staging areas to reduce the threat of chinese missile strikes knocking out all our capabilities and we need their forces as well. We simply can't impose our will on China by ourselves without some kind of god mode new weapon system

>Authoritarian is just a buzzword at this point
it's not you moron.

Your biggest casualties will be from civil war situations and lootings created by draft dodging leftists niggers and spics that aren't loyal to your country.
Chinas equipment might be a joke but your Nation is a joke, there is no way for you to unify your people and mobilize them if you are on the attacking side

The only thing protecting you is your nuclear arsenal

Chinks are literally soulless shells. They have no capacity for creative thought, improvisation, or ingenuity. They can copy, thats all they can do. It's not like fighting Europeans, who can innovate at the drop of a hat where you must constantly be pushing forward in your strategic thinking. Their army is a joke, highly disciplined in performing the exact same moves over and over again, their equipment is entirely cheap knockoffs (their "navy" being an exceptional example of this), and their strategy is non-existent. There is nothing to fear from China. There will never be another external worthy adversary for the western world ever again. China doesn't need to go to war with us to win, they just need to wait for us to destroy ourselves, which is frankly exactly what they're doing. They're smart enough for that at least.

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Yeah I'm sure the US military is pretty lax with their nuke security. Give me a break.

Lol Japan has a better 1:1 blue water navy than China and you think they will hold their routes? Literally no chance against the us navy. They will at best be fighting a guerilla war deep in their homeland.

unless the public supports it the u.s cannot win in an offensive war
just look at what happened in vietnam
do you think your soiboy american today can stomach casualties in the hundreds of thousands?

I would gladly kill some of those cunts here

I was referring to Jews creating nukes you thick fuck. God why do I bOther responding to you dumb frozen fucks.

This is delusional
Assuming a "quick war" against china is a next lvl of retardation
They say the same about every god damn war where NATO outguns the enemy with a ratio og 400 and you never get a "quick war"
To assume it in the case of china is ridiculous

that might be a bit harsh and untrue

yeah because the west are the good guys and totally just right?
stop drinking the post ww2 kool aid.

Just one stealth bomber could take out China's Three Gorges Dam, flood their whole heartland and kill a third of them overnight.

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>but but, gunpowder :(

no rly what you're saying is true af and strong, but they are very clever at being deceptive. they're not very slick with common sense, or philosophically smart, but they're A LOT more clever than us. /clever/.

If America wars with us they'll need to enact the draft, meaning people will snap out of their comfortable lives to realize the mess their countries become. Civil disobedience will begin by draft Dodgers and the black/ Hispanic population. South west states become war zones like a perpetual LA riots . Then we smuggle in some Norinco rifles with the help of Mexicans

what a stupid fucking question that is asked far too often

Your city will be a flaming inferno and you’ll be forced marched into the hills by your red overlords to be fighters before you get the chance.

Considering everything together, I think it's fairly probable that China will win. I'd comment on whether that's a good thing or not, but I'm being as objective as possible here.

They can hit those well outside of their usual strike range though? The only chance is if those carriers craft are carrying LRASMs and spamming them. But then that introduces targeting and interception problems. The Chinese would have far better intel and ranging ability than we would. I'm pretty sure carriers won't help much in this scenario.
>Chinese ASBM are a meme and untested
If they can shoot down a satellite out of orbit, I'm pretty sure they can hit a carrier.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Chinese_anti-satellite_missile_test
>With full countermeasures
What countermeasure? Do you realize how fast ASBMs travel? CWIS isn't going to shoot it down. The Chinese will have multiple active and passive sensors/scanners running and detecting it out several hundred miles at least. Not to mention the carrier has to run most of it's radars to be useful in the first place. They light up like a Christmas tree in order to stay effective.

This isn't like taking shots at Jihadis in caves armed with their 40 year old AKs.
>They will at best be fighting a guerilla war deep in their homeland.
That's insane, because it would give the US the power to coordinate all of it's aerial and naval might at once. That's the last thing China needs if it wants to win.
>Lol Japan has a better 1:1 blue water navy than China and you think they will hold their routes? Literally no chance against the us navy.
theprint.in/security/chinese-navy-built-83-ships-8-years/10416/
In ten years they will be at parity. They're building fucking islands. Who needs carriers even at that point? Carriers can be sunk, but those islands can't be. Those islands are brimming with naval aircraft and TELs. Plus they can detect our missiles from range, so I don't know how we're going to even get close enough after it kicks off.

Jews creating nukes?? XDDD Like What?? Nukes wouldn't exist without jews?? Do jews have some kind of magic nuke making ability?? You're just a sucker for anti-jew propaganda. Sorry bud.

True.

a real war is a quick war in the age of the atom bomb

if china wants a real war, it will last a few minutes

The Jews. Just like every other war since 1861.

You guys are communist your government enslaves it's own people under harsh law that's what all your experience and wisdom brought you faggot

The US easily.

Just enforce a naval blockade and wait.
China needs the sea.

Considering the navy will be crucial in this conflict, and considering that even the French navy is considered to be better than the chink one, i'd say USA ?
I dont know that much in military, but i know that China's technology is really shitty meanwhile US is top tier.

Plus, we must consider the extreme instability of some chinese provinces (Tibet) which could try to get independency in the conflict, taking millions of men away from the heart of the conflict.

Yea you’re right I would much prefer chink totalitarian authoritarianism. Sounds good.

After all, it was Confucianism and communist values which gave the world electricity, aviation, and the internet.... Ah wait...

You're brainwashed.

Those numbers are so wrong.. when china talk about a million man army it's talking patty farmers.

The war will be on their soil.. it's more likely to be an embargo meh

This, also add india to the US tally