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Hello Comrades. This general is for the discussion of Marxism-Leninism, the ideology of revolutionary socialism and communism.

Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage and the socialist stage.

What exactly is communism according to Marxist-Leninists:

>Communism is a stage of society in which the productive infrastructure is socially owned, and goods are produced not in order to sell for profit, but in order to meet a social need.
>Communism in it's full form is a stateless, classless society that follows the maxim "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need."
>To achieve such a society Marxism-Leninism teaches us that we must replace the capitalist state, which is controlled by the capitalist class, by a socialist state, which is controlled by the working class. Then, a period of class struggle follows in which the capitalist class is liquidated by the working class. When the capitalist class has been completely vanquished, there will be only one class, the working class, and eventually the functions of the state will become indistinguishable from the functions of the society as a whole, and the state as such will 'wither away' as Marx said.
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/

ML uses a philosophy called dialectical materialism, see here:
marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1938/09.htm

It is recommended that you read some of the critical works of Marxism-Leninism so you can make an informed assessment of the ideology.

Resources:
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/sw/
marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/sw/
marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/decades-index.htm
marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1884/origin-family/
marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1914/mar/11.htm

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Not again... you realise communism is a failure.

FAGGOT GENERAL, GET IN HERE COMMIE BROS

I support death penalty for communists, do you user?

yay let's talk about 60 million victims of real communism

Where’s the gommunism General copypasta? I only come to see it

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Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of rebolutionary socialism and gommunism.

Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.

Wat exagtly is gommunism aggording to gommies:

>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD
>Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD
>To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you

all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable

from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people.
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GL uses philosphy of gib and starve, see here:
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It is recommend you kill yourself so you can avoid starving.

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Da sdages of gommunism.

>Sdage one
Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.

>Sdade two
Withering
All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as

beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.

>Sdage three
Gommunism.
No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.

>Sdage four
Nod real gommunism. Move on to nexd goundry :DDDDDDD

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cringe

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Honest question but don't you guys ever get tired of this? It's the same shit again and again. "Fuck off commie", someone posts some spurdo shit, it never. Fucking. Changes.
No one here is going commie because you guys still can't present any defense of your ideals that can't be refuted with
>muh niggers
I mean for fuck's sake, it isn't even like people here just "don't know about communism enough", or they just need "equality" explained better, it's because they see equality as a fucking sham and it is!
How can anyone honestly think that your typical Jow Forumslack would give a shit about fighting for "equality" when almost every time its used, its in the context of whites giving more shit to minorities and women! Ask them to explain what they'd get from communism and the answer would probably be something along the lines of "They'd force us to pay reparations" or "More faggot propaganda shoved down our throats"
How can you guys not even fucking see this? "Equality"? For fuck's sake the only way you idiots present it is us losing shit for the sake of a bunch of collectives of people that you hold to an entirely different system of ethical values and who, on their fucking face, treat whites with contempt!
Equality? If you're a white straight man, you have nothing to fucking gain from "equality", it's an insult to our fucking dignity!
>t. a former leftist turned rightist

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Red pill me on what communist think of the jewish problem. Also is i Possible that Jewry is the reason true communism has never been established. I Russia was a Jewish controlled slave state and china Is rife with corruption. So with out Jew's would it work?

It's an old truth that the future belongs to the ideas which have become the ideas of the younger generations. That is precisely why today the fight between the two ideologies, socialism vs fascism, left vs right, is the fiercest on the youth front. If you look at the data, it is clear that the majority of young people today in the West are overwhelmingly left wing and sympathize with socialist and communist principles. This bodes well for us, comrades. The right wing are an increasingly fringe group struggling to achieve youth enthusiasm and numbers in the streets.

Or, in other words, the left is winning the youth culture war, the right are incel basement dwellers

You'll be in the same gas chambers as the commies so you better get to know one another.

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In some areas it was found effective (i.e. housing,healthcare,education)
Which had paid off as much higher fertility rate than any other western countries
but other than those it's still skeptical

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Communism is a joke. People are too redpilled to go back to that era

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The only thing I look forward to with communism is seeing them thrown out of helicopters.

>implying there were gas chambers

It isnt socialism vs fascism.
It is Americanism vs Eurasianism.
Liberalism vs Nazbol.

False.. the reason why right wing parties grow throughout the west is because of the youth, as they can see the damage being done in the last times better than the older generation can. What you see in the (social) media makes it look like the radical left is growing and like a huge group, but the fact is that it is a really small group that gets all the attention by any information source promoting socialism/communism so the government gains more power so it can fully control what you think and say, look at Stalin for example that rewarded people that snitched about people that maybe were against him, look at China that has done the same things.. this is the reason why alone in the 20th century communism killed over 100 million people. Where ya food at commie?

>Honest question but don't you guys ever get tired of this? It's the same shit again and again. "Fuck off commie", someone posts some spurdo shit, it never. Fucking. Changes.
>No one here is going commie because you guys still can't present any defense of your ideals that can't be refuted with
I'm 100% sure that whomever starts these threads knows this and still posts them.
there's a chance they just don't care and may even think they're trolling right wingers or something.
>I mean for fuck's sake, it isn't even like people here just "don't know about communism enough"
in my experience it is though, most people don't know what socialism is and describe it as "when the government does stuff" which is extremely wrong, and have very big missconceptions about socialism as well, like not knowing the difference between private and personal property under socialism, thinking that doctors and janitors would earn the same, they think we're lazy (because they think socialism is gibs for some fucking reason lmao) when in reality what we want is equal liability of everyone to work (as described in the communist manifesto), or that we want to "destroy nations and the white race" or whatever.
>Ask them to explain what they'd get from communism and the answer would probably be something along the lines of "They'd force us to pay reparations"
reparations? see, another missconception, socialism doesn't take into account either races nor gender, it only takes into account the class struggle between the working class and the owners of the means of production (bourgeosie).
>How can you guys not even fucking see this? "Equality"? For fuck's sake the only way you idiots present it is us losing shit for the sake of a bunch of collectives of people that you hold to an entirely different system of ethical values and who, on their fucking face, treat whites with contempt!
again, socialism/communism has nothing to do with race, of any kind.

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Came here for dis XDD

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Quick questions for any commies in here who aren't shitposters.

What is considered working class? You seem to hate everybody who isn't working class in the income brackets - but what about doctors, professors, scientists, and the middle class who don't own businesses? Every commie i know hates everybody but the working class and so exclude everybody who earns a good income from working even if they aren't capitalists, doesn't seem fair.

What if someone is rich but doesn't exploit anybody's labor and take their value? Is it justified that they are rich then? My uncles friend is rather rich, but he is a self employed consultant and employs nobody, in other words, he gets all the value he creates through his own labor.

>Equality? If you're a white straight man, you have nothing to fucking gain from "equality", it's an insult to our fucking dignity!
this is not true, most white men are workers, because that's how the world works.
the fact that the vast majority of the bourgeoisie are white males doesn't mean that the vast majority of white males are bourgeoisie.
>t. a former leftist turned rightist
I've seen many amerimutts talk about "left" and "leftism", they almost never use it to refer to socialism but to refer to state intervention (like I said in my previous post "socialism is when the government does stuff"), so I'm gonna assume you're talking about your democratic party, which is not socialist.

>Red pill me on what communist think of the jewish problem
it's not addressed in our ideology, but we do have our individual opinions on them, I for one hate their elitist, secretist, isolationist disgusting little communities that control many things like the media and the banks, and this is why they were expelled from so many countries, but you can't hate all people of jewish descent because of this abhorrent aspect of their """people""", some of them are regular guys who happen to be jewish, this is what differentiates me from the average fascist in terms of "the jewish problem"
>Also is i Possible that Jewry is the reason true communism has never been established
nah, it """benefits""" the working class, people of any race or culture, no specifics about it, just the proletariat.
>I Russia was a Jewish controlled slave state and china Is rife with corruption
I don't know about Chinese corruption, but there's corruption wherever there's bureaucracy, no matter the system, the idea would be to provide mechanisms to keep the corruption on insignificant levels, and not let them run the whole thing, despite what you may think in the USSR wasn't a dictatorship where they could do whatever the fuck they wanted to.

>What is considered working class?
if you work so that somebody else makes a profit off your work, you're working class.
so it essentially comes down to whether you have to sell your workforce (wage labour) or you don't.
>You seem to hate everybody who isn't working class in the income brackets - but what about doctors, professors, scientists, and the middle class who don't own businesses? Every commie i know hates everybody but the working class and so exclude everybody who earns a good income from working even if they aren't capitalists, doesn't seem fair.
nah, you're describing mongs.
if you do not exploit workers, you're fine, we don't hate you, it doesn't matter how much you earn.
by exploit obviously I mean making a profit of your employees labour.
there are specific jobs that are on a weird spot though, like high paid hollywood actors, they're not exactly exploiting anyobdy, but since their name is so reputable that the owners of the means of production (producers) NEED them in order to sell their movies to an audience, this usually means that the producers cut down all other employee's salary to paid this a list actor.
there are very few jobs in this position, and yes, they'd be affected "negatively" (for them) under socialism.
>What if someone is rich but doesn't exploit anybody's labor and take their value? Is it justified that they are rich then?
only if they accumulated their wealth with their own labour and not exploiting others, yes, that's ok.
>My uncles friend is rather rich, but he is a self employed consultant and employs nobody, in other words, he gets all the value he creates through his own labor.
I mean what he does is ok, but let's not argue about value because it becomes a rather difficult topic lmao

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