Is there a more incoherent political philosophy than socialism?

t. lefty retard

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How was he a socialist you mong?

Nigger, Stalin killed at least 21 million in WWII alone, shit 8 million in Ukraine in like the first year after he took power to fuel his upcoming european invasion. Learn your fucking history, and read a damn book. You should thank Hitler for saving millions of lives and defending Europe from communist invasion long enough to get America involved, forcing the commies to stop half-way so they don't get obliterated by a two-front nuclear capable America. His dying gift to you was Mother Europa's safety, not ruin.

what do you think "Nazi" stands for im curious

The z in Nazi stood for socialist

Having "socialist" in the name dosen't make them marxist socialists, you show your ignorance and how little knowledge you actually have when saying that, would you claim that ancaps are inherently radical marxists because they're anarchists?

National Socialist is made as a pure and distinct opposite to communism, a purely merit based system, where only the best can accumulate large capital (capital based on labor) and a forced structure of management classes. The entire idea of communism is that merit doesn't matter, everyone only gets what they need, no capital involved, and an end to management giving the laborers the means of production.

Socialism doesn't work, nationalist or not.

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All because it has Socialist in the name doesn't mean its Socialist you fucking brainlet amerisharts. Norks aren't Democratic because they have Democratic in the name. Hitler defined Socialism as being a brotherhood of German people, nothing to do with actual socialism or Marxism.

This. Based britbong.

Hitler, his party, his system, his people were all more capitalist than Donald Trump is.

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They weren't capitalists because the privatized businesses did not work for private and worked for the betterment of their nation, which goes against the inherent definition of capitalism.

Ancap/libertarianism is the most incoherrent political philosophy.

No matter if you love or hate Socialism (Cold War propaganda notwithstanding), it wields massive power, influence and objectively efficient.

Entire real effect of libertarianism/ancap is a small sect of people LARPing non-stop. It is objectively a pure fantasy meme.

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By their nation you mean the most industralized nation of the early XXth century?

I doubt they ever dodged capitalism just by pointing fingers at the nose tribe.

What yields the betterment of all parties involved more than maximizing efficiency through producers and consumers buying at a price on equilibrium

they were corporatist socialists, thats the endgame of the NWO as you see in subhuman china

yes, I too haven't read anything Hitler said about economics

nice proxy chink

"The price of equilibrium" is the result of struggle and forcing the terms on defeated party IRL, as shown by history.

There's nothing capitalist about having the government function as the de facto property owner via regulation, price controls, and subsidization.

Socialism isn't just "When the government does stuff". That's a retarded Boomer definition. Hitler was for private property and the term "privatisation" actually comes from Nazi Germany's economic policy.
theguardian.com/theguardian/2007/sep/17/greatinterviews1

>Socialism is an ancient Aryan, Germanic institution. Our German ancestors held certain lands in common. They cultivated the idea of the common weal. Marxism has no right to disguise itself as socialism. Socialism, unlike Marxism, does not repudiate private property. Unlike Marxism, it involves no negation of personality, and unlike Marxism, it is patriotic.

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No, china works on a hereditary basis, National Socialism works on a merit basis, anyone born good enough, smart enough, strong enough to be the best at a certain job gets the job.

Capitalism has everything to do with those things you mentioned, communism or marxist socialism doesn't have those things BECAUSE THERE'S NO CAPITAL.

Unironically this, it's too bad it kills so many in the process.

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>objectively efficient
That's why the entire world rejected it. It's funny you mention China because Taiwan and Hong Kong have much higher standards of living simply because they're not subject to mainland china's socialism.

The idea of the Welfare State is inherently Capitalist. The purpose of it is to keep everyone consuming and contributing to Capital growth.

The word Nazi has nothing to do with NSDAP, it was an already existing slur that was attached to the party, just like how we call Americans "Burgers".

Capitalism is the private ownership of the means of production, if the government is exercising all substantive powers of ownership over the means of production it's not fucking capitalism.

There's a word for this user, State Capitalism.

no such thing, its called statism

So you're saying it's not real capitalism?
Has real capitalism ever been tried?

>Welfare state is inherently capitalist
The welfare state subsidizes failure and mediocrity. Aren't you natsocs supposed to be social darwinists?

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State socialism and state capitalism have the same definition.

I think Stalin killed 60 gorillion more
Also why do you count the war deaths as a socialist and not a capitalist result is beyond me
Too much Peterstein for you anfag

>ideologies can't be broken down into sub-categories to better define stuff
bravo retard

Capitalism isn't the private ownership of the means of production, that's just a part of it, citizens in Germany owned their own land, owned their own businesses, owned their own things and their own lives as it was given to them. Communism and Marxist Socialism don't treat people as if they own anything, they put people who could be rocket scientist as potato farmers to keep up their shitty quotas, they take when they see fit, that's not a trait of National Socialism at all. The only thing socialist about National Socialism is that people are expected to help other people, that's it, nothing more. Unlike the US right now, using tax dollars to bail out nigros, retards, and fat people, those without the CAPITAL in Nazi Germany could not afford to live beyond efficiently given basic needs through internment.

No, it’s pretty coherent. It makes sense, which is why they keep trying it and it keeps failing. They have this weird, autistic obsession with this big, collectivised pool of stuff they want to throw everything into. It’s just as, if not more materialistic than capitalism. The few do not just have control of a large portion of property, no, now they have control of every facet of society.

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they can but it's meaningless, whats the difference between horse shit and dog shit?

In a true nationalist white ethnostate, nearly any econimic system (communism excluded) could work. Nobody can make a good argument against Hitler’s economic success prior to the war. It’s not the economic system, it’s the type of people participating in it.

>The welfare state subsidizes failure and mediocrity
Exactly, to aid consumption and growth. Are you retarded?

> AN-CAP meme flag
> Believing a completely unregulated system won't devolve back into fuedalism
> Believing the world is perfect enough for the NAP to actually mean something
Socialism and government regulation of the economy at some level is pretty coherant. Ancapistan and Gommunism rely on a world filled with perfect people and are completely incoherent. Nazbol is really the only way to go.

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State Capitalism is just the state having control over the means of production and having state businesses, State Socialism would be the same but with the stated goal of eventually giving up this power (kek) to the workers so that they will eventually fully transition to Workers-owned Means of production. Functionally they're the same but that doesn't mean they have the same end-goal.

This is why National Nationalism is the future.

>coherant
user I..

One comes from a horse and one comes from a dog?

Ancaps get the first bullet comrade

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They owned their businesses in name only. If I gave you a car and you had to drive it the way I want you to, when I want you to, and where I want you to, who is the real owner, you or me?

yes and both are not edible

A hard-hitting analysis, user.

do you understand analogies you pseudo-intellectual commie nigger?

>When you try socialism by the 10000000time and it doesn't work.

That's not how things were at all, Hitler just payed Porche to make the VolksWagon, it proved extremely profitable as everyone wanted to then buy the affordable newly commissioned car, in National Socialism the government is just a big consumer, they never forced any businesses to do anything, just provided the capital to kickstart industry. Industry is still privately owned, an entity that creates new markets isn't the same as one who deletes the market entirely and picks a point based on government official's opinions. It's like gun companies making a shitload right now by selling to the government, they can make guns however they want, if the government wants a gun a certain way, they just buy it the way they want it.

I'm not a commie at all, Communism is a retarded utopian ideology like AnCapism. But if we're having a discussion about ideologies and you say "Durr no point in actually understanding ideologies bcuz they all fall under a broad umbrella term" then there's no point in having a conversation

imagine being this fucking dumb. let me try to make things simple for you. system 1: do this or you will be murdered. system 2: do this or you will be murdered.
wow so different!!!11!11 XDDDDDD

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I care about the function more than the ideology behind it, but I guess that's a personal thing.

>Communism is a retarded utopian ideology like AnCapism
ancaps don't claim utopia, can you provide evidence in any of the serious ancap authors who actually went, "hurrr it'll be utopiaaa!!".
right, you can't

If you're fat and lazy, there is no way to produce the capital (based on labor) to survive, it's not murder it's people suffering the consequences of being fat and lazy. If you're retarded, also not able to raise capital, but they still found a way for even the greedy jew who hates to sully its hands with the work of goyim to work their ass off for all their worth to pay back into the system as much as they could manage.

>Compares imperial Russia to Soviet Union
>Compares Weimar Republic to Nazi Germany
>Compares colonial Libya to Gaddafi's Libya
>Compares Batista' Cuba to Kastro's Cuba
>Analyzing
>Ben Shekelino fanboys conclusion
IT DOESNT WORK
-Let's try anarcho capitalism
-B... but... wait...isn't that just regressing to the state of society before civilization?
-NO DUDE, CROWDER SAID IT WILL BE COOL

KYS faggot

"Utopian" in the sense that its an unrealistic ideology that relies on idealistic thinking, not Utopian in the sense that it provides a utopia.

Mao mainly killed people who deserved it and it weren't that much. That's American propaganda.

This is bullshit and crappy western propaganda. All those people died of natural causes (except Hitler who genocided millions).

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none of what you just said has anything to do with anything we are discussing.
where in the actual fuck is your head right now?

I see, so just say that instead. and no, voluntary interactions are not idealistic. they are necessary and a pre-requisite to a functioning civilization. coercion is not, pack it up and take your human trafficking run state op home kiddo.

His party was nominally socialist. He purged a lot of the socialists from it in the 30s though.

>Strawman: the image

>a non-argument, the post

imagine being this fucking dumb.
>hey guys do this thing or I will murder you
>this is totally not coercion
>I am not a socialist
lol k

The only force structure is that you have to do the best you can, or else you will be forced to do the best you can under threat of starvation. A direct response to your: "do this or you will be murdered"

>I see, so just say that instead
That's what Utopian means.
>voluntary interactions are not idealistic.
Voluntary interactions aren't idealistic, but the idea of completely dissolving the state in order to have Anarchist communities, and thinking that all the brown mud people will just abandon their religion and culture once they flock here in droves is idealistic.

Literally fucking boomer tier meme. I hope you get raped by a fleeing refugee and a Somali takes your money.

>socialism killed 100 million people

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>The only force structure is that you have to do the best you can, or else you will be forced to do the best you can under threat of starvation. A direct response to your: "do this or you will be murdered"
my murder comment was about resisting the state Einstein

>That's what Utopian means.
wrong.
>Voluntary interactions aren't idealistic
stopped reading there, I don't have time for subhumans and dumb goy animals. enjoy your gematria slavery young buck

Socialism isn't "government threatening to kill you" you fucking idiot. Its not synonymous with authoritarianism. Is Anarcho-socialism which is based off voluntary interactions not Socialist?

What makes you think ancapistan wouldn't have borders?

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>Try to kill an officer
>Murdered
isn't that just part of the NAP mr.andycap?

more like 600 gorillion dude, I heard it from Jorden Peterstein, Closet Crowder and Ben Shekelino
IT MUST BE TRUE

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if there were 2 men on the earth and one murdered the other, then the murderer is a socialist. by nature anyone who violates another's natural law rights has declared himself above god, thus the state, and thus a socialist.

That’s not real socialism which hasn’t been tried yet.

>isn't that just part of the NAP mr.andycap?
not sure what you're saying here, be more clear

all statists can do is strawman

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>wrong
"proposing or advocating impractically ideal social and political schemes"
Literally the dictionary definition you stupid nigger.
>stopped reading there
I agreed with you, you fuckin brainlet

There's a lot of propagandistic estimates out there.

Why are leftists retarded?

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So then Anarcho-Socialists aren't socialists?

>if there were 2 men on the earth and one murdered the other, then the murderer is a socialist

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...I'm still caught up on the pledge of allegiance part. Hitler was using the Roman salute from 2000 years ago, for the pledge of allegiance you put your hand on your heart....how are these 2 things similar you fucking Swede? How the fuck is anything in that infograph related to the US? We do the opposite in that everyone owns a gun.

>socialism is when people force people to do things

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socialism requires some sort of ruler, thus cannot be anarchist, voluntary socialism is just called charity