Redpill me on gnosticism

/x/ is filled with tripfags that are far too gone on their own delusion

Gnosticism is a series of different beliefs at different times by different people. Their relation to the Church is the Church views them as heretical. There has been no gnostic viewpoint that affirms Christ as man and God and benevolent.

If freemasons or rosicrucians associate themselves with gnositicism, it is *purely* out of wanting to seem obscure and mystical, no doubt because their Protestantism is too bland for them and it tolerates heresy and wacko interpretations of Scripture like prosperity theology, for example.

You don't need a redpill on gnosticism. Read Plotinus' Against the Gnostics. Boom. Done. Now go meditate on Christ's passion and what He, being God, sacrificed for you.

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/thread

That may be so but you'd still get better answers. No one thus posted in this thread has a fucking clue about gnosticism. A bunch of marxists Jow Forumsiamverysmart posts and biased Catholic kid diddlers.

>Templars did not found freemasonry or fictional shit like the Rosecrutions
>Templars in France where smashed everywhere else they joined other orders.
>Vatican was the greatest patrons of art, science and philosophy in Medieval Europe
>All scientist including Copernicus and Galileo were all darlings of the curia.
>Galileo could not prove Copernicus theory (no one could at the time) still published it as proven refusing to say it was not.
>Gets house arrest in papal palace still darling of the curia.

Nothing worse than retard atheist that don't even bother to read history.

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what about reading about it by yourself and finding out? Start by the "apocryphal" gospels. When it comes to gnosticism it's easy, you got the internet and lots of books online.

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Oh boy, gnosticism thread on Jow Forums

The Age of Aquarius is finally doing it's magic.

So what's the monad?

This poster is a kike

continuing this: basically gnosticism is an attempt at solving the problem of evil.

If God is the creator and therefore cause of all things, why do bad things happen? Surely they have His consent? God must not be a nice guy at all. In fact he must be in fact a demon, and has installed demons over us, and reality is a prison from which death or transcendence is the only escape. Then we must pray to "God" to have mercy.

So instead of having a benevolent God who is the Platonic form of the good and personified in Christ, gnostics have a demiurge who really isn't bad or good but he cares for humans as much as he cares for ants. This, of course, does not sit well with gnostics.

It's a lot of invented mythology to get around the fact that God's love for man cannot be measured in what happens here on Earth. No matter how much you suffer, you still have God's mercy. Even death is a mercy. God made all and caused all, and it is ALL good. Even the parts you don't like. Mortals simply can't comprehend. Gnostics tried, but only got so far as blaming rather than acceptance.

The infinite spirit

Jesus reporting in, I am just here to to add to this post.

Gnosis is what you are looking for OP, it's a specific state of conscious being that ties into the natural ability of perceiving beyond what standard vision grants

the best way to acquire Gnosis is to light an incense, place the lit incense somewhere i.e a censer or the dirt, close your eyes, bow 16 times with it in your hands clasped in prayer, and then try to stand or sit in place for 16 minutes or so.

people who are naturally pneumatic will notice themselves moving against their own conscious control of their body, as in you feel your body move but you know it is not exactly you sending those neural signals

Gnosticism is a lot of things to a lot of different people, but the prize they all seek is the state of mind called Gnosis, and this can be acquired by anyone with nothing more than hard work.

>wrong, the Alexandrian kikes tried to take control of Christianity but it didn't work so they created Islam

And the gnostics. Of couse a Christcuck would cover for the Luciferians

Babylonian kikes created Islam

Repent, faggot. Cease blaspheming at once. Jesus was very clear about how to pray.

Recite ten Our Fathers and do one anonymous good deed. Even going to Jow Forums and giving wholesome helpful advice, if you can, will suffice.

youtube.com/watch?v=krGF-X5madk

lmao this dude is telling Christ himself to repent

you're crazy, God has a legion of angels, not a legion of demons, and they help versus harm

that you refer to "God" as Satan has everything to do with your disinfo plot and trip

>Templars did not found freemasonry
Scotland. The Bruce... learn some history.
>Templars in France where smashed everywhere else they joined other orders.
And they escaped to Scotland, retard
>All scientist including Copernicus and Galileo were all darlings of the curia.
Killed as heritics
>Galileo could not prove Copernicus theory (no one could at the time) still published it as proven refusing to say it was not.
t. Vatican shill. The earth is the center of the universe goy.
>Nothing worse than retard atheist that don't even bother to read history.
Christians pretending they dont hate history and science, covering for the freemasons and vatican - topkek.

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>So what's the monad?
Pythagorianism that Plato took up. The first thing...

>homosex esoterics
This is perverted interpretation of Crowley. They were not homosexual esotericists.

gnostic here ask me anything

>/x/ is filled with tripfags that are far too gone on their own delusion
Notice OP ignored the truth... How convenient.

NeoPlatonists called early Christian shitskins out on their Communist terrorism. So the Christians in Alexandria invented an inversion of Plato's memes. This is why they made the Demiurge of Plato into an evil monster.

Later homosex Christians like the Templars would use the memes and create Freemasonry/Rosicrucians.

Because Vatican pedos hated science, the homosex esoterics got a lot of recruits from the early science folks. Now they larp as superior rulers of the earth.
Deism rejected all this so Freemasonry was based for a short time during the 1700s

Modern Gnostics are just feminism + nwo combination religion (t. Luciferianism).

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>This is perverted interpretation of Crowley. They were not homosexual esotericists.
Yeah the Templars were. Gnostics are feminist fags. And Freemasons weren't until the 1850s

based and redpilled

I saved this it's my favorite meme because I love all humans, even the sleeping NPCs

>God loves the humble compassionate poor man infinitely more than the rich manipulative bastard for a reason

stupid archontic faggot, we do not hate le demiurge but see its limitations

Isn't Gnosticism pre-christian though? It seems to originate in Zoroastrian traditions of the east, later spreading westward.

No they weren't fags, its just that church wanted to prosecute them. Actually its catholicuck church which is full of faggots since the beginning.

They were kind of feminist, but not in the same way modern feminists are.

Try actually reading it, fella.

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so far im reading the KJV bible and apocrypha nag hammadi scriptures the kybalion and the koran and reading about buddhsim as well about to learn more about chakras and yoga next and of course the third eye
>am i doing it right?

oh finally someone on Jow Forums posts a proper literature, not bullshit conspiracy theory videos or modern pop-esotericism entry-level books like Manly P Hall or stupid Kybalion

>So, what's their deal/endgame?
breaking the cycle of reincarnation. like it has always been with all mystery schools
>Are they related to the church/freemasons/rosicrucians or similar?
yes. gnostics -> templars -> rosicrucians -> freemasons. it's debatable how much esoteric are todays freemasons.

false. muhammed was a nestorian, not a gnostic

>If freemasons or rosicrucians associate themselves with gnositicism, it is *purely* out of wanting to seem obscure and mystical
bullshit. read up on middle ages esoteric literature and it's direct evolution into rosicrucian manifestos

templars founded Swizerland for example. that's why the swiss have the cross on their flag. Vatican was shit and they held us back. Giordano Bruno was burned at the stake for saying other planets could have life. kys christcuck

the source. it has no feelings, no emotions. like in eastern esoteric lore

Purgstall called, he said he wants his 1800s theories back. some sex rituals might have been performed by SOME, but it is overblown. kama sutra should only be performed between a man and his wife. it doesn't need to be degenerate

it's a mix of many esoteric currents. from ancient sumerian beliefs to ancient greek and so fort

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>stupid archontic faggot, we do not hate le demiurge but see its limitations
The Creator

Limitations

topkek

>pic

>Isn't Gnosticism pre-christian though?
LOL! no... They just stole NeoPlatonism to fight with them and demonize philosopher who they later killed. The Zoroastrian meme is a funny lie because all of Philosophy and Christianity can be said to be influenced by it. Minoan Greeks were in contact with the "Lord of Wisdom" of Zoroastrians when they created "Love of Wisdom" = philo-sophy.

Gnostics are larping liars.

>Templars weren't fags, its just that church wanted to prosecute them.
Vow of celebacy
Debt-based FED funny money currency
Esoterics who worshiped the Jewish temple

Not fags.

Right...

Just look at their usury coins. Spear tips touching. Two men on a horse. kek

Try reading Plato, tranny sex faggot gnostic.

>oh finally someone on Jow Forums posts a proper literature
I literally just posted that book

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Yes, to some degree. Both modern gnosticism and Christianity have similar roots in Greek polytheism and philosophers. Where Catholic theologians took the Aristotelian-Platonic route and turned sacrifice into a personal, ethical change done for God's sake (forgiveness et al), gnostics held onto the Greek idea of a creator that must be appeased or else.

what created the creator? checkmate archon

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to make our waifus real and rejoice in the plemora after escaping our imprisoned carcasses

>to make our waifus real and rejoice in the plemora after escaping our imprisoned carcasses
I want to believe...

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>Creator
>Limitations
Everybody can see limitations, you'd have to be a gullible child to think this world is a "perfect" creation

>The Creator
>Limitations
>topkek
then why does unnecessary suffering exist you piece of shit cuck? huh? why so much death? why do things need to kill in order to survive?
It's cleat to me that this is part of the plan, but if so such a god cannot be describes as all good which means that the semito-christian god isn't on par with what we can observe. christcucks BTFO eternally

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>breaking the cycle of reincarnation
t. New Age gnostics. Not old gnostics. Keep larping newage hippie

>Purgstall called, he said he wants his 1800s theories back. some sex rituals might have been performed by SOME, but it is overblown
>overblown
>some sex brainwashing
New Age fag doesn't know that was their major charge by the Vatican and they were celebant knights (t. homo magnet).

>Yes, to some degree. Both modern gnosticism and Christianity have similar roots in Greek polytheism and philosophers.
Nope. They're tranny feminists sex freak new age. See pic
>Where Catholic theologians took the Aristotelian-Platonic route and turned sacrifice into a personal, ethical change done for God's sake (forgiveness et al), gnostics held onto the Greek idea of a creator that must be appeased or else.
Gnostics hated the creator, idiot.

>what created the creator? checkmate archon
There is no creator. But if you're asking me greenpuke from the perspective of Plato it would be the Monad.
You gnostic Jews demonized the Monad too by turning him into an "Abyss" that can only be understood by dehumanizing your brain.

t. kike degeneracy.

>to make our waifus real
They hate men though. Masculinity is of the Demiurge. They hate Plato. They love buttsex

see pic

>then why does unnecessary suffering exist you piece of shit cuck? huh? why so much death? why do things need to kill in order to survive?
Because Dharma faggot (natural law!).
You can fantasy larp all you want, but you're just brainwashed with old kike memes that were stolen like the Alt-Kike stole KEK
>It's cleat to me that this is part of the plan, but if so such a god cannot be describes as all good which means that the semito-christian god isn't on par with what we can observe. christcucks BTFO eternally
You are a Christcuck, moron. Look closer at your Crowlian tarot cards.
I dont believe in your bullshit gods.

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>It's a lot of invented mythology to get around the fact that God's love for man cannot be measured in what happens here on Earth. No matter how much you suffer, you still have God's mercy. Even death is a mercy. God made all and caused all, and it is ALL good. Even the parts you don't like. Mortals simply can't comprehend. Gnostics tried, but only got so far as blaming rather than acceptance.

Basically God was so merciful that he gave humans divine sparks, so that technically makes them equal to God and capable to do the same things God did or can do. Thats why medieval alchemists were trying to create artificial life, reverse engineer the mystery of the world creation, etc. You basically have a divine spark, but you dunno how to use it, because you yourself created barriers for it to shine, so you have to dissolve all bullshit that prevents it from shining.

Also, that provided a framework for alchemists to develop modern science, and initial point of science was sort of a PUA-game with Mother Nature (sort of feminine part of God or Anima Mundi, which is a projection of Inner Woman of alchemist), so you kinda do the same shit you do to pick up girls but with the nature, unil she spread her legs, and you impregnate her with some new concept, and the delivers a manifestation in the end. Thats why modern feminists cry that medieval scientific papers are "rape manuals". Essentially, they are rape manuals, haha.

How much you understand it depends how developed your light body is to interact with that of the planetary consciousness.

youtube.com/watch?v=o20WrsvfXuU

This picture is simply wrong

>There is no creator.
enjoy the hot place

>Basically God was so merciful that he gave humans divine sparks, so that technically makes them equal to God and capable to do the same things God did or can do.
lol

Pure brainwashing faggotry. You cant do shit nigger. You can't even do history.

>How much you understand it depends how developed your light body is to interact with that of the planetary consciousness.
Another larping delusional Joe Rogan faggot.

NeoPlatonists called early Christian shitskins out on their Communist terrorism. So the Christians in Alexandria invented an inversion of Plato's memes. This is why they made the Demiurge of Plato into an evil monster.

Later homosex Christians like the Templars would use the memes and create Freemasonry/Rosicrucians.

Because Vatican pedos hated science, the homosex esoterics got a lot of recruits from the early science folks. Now they larp as superior rulers of the earth.
Deism rejected all this so Freemasonry was based for a short time during the 1700s

Modern Gnostics are just feminism + nwo combination religion (t. Luciferianism).

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Who are the true modern Neoplatonists then? I don't think I agree more fully with any other philosopher's writings except maybe Schopenhauer

>enjoy the hot place
t. Zorastrian rip-off by retards who worship a fucking Rabbi as god.

Hell is from Norse myth

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>Who are the true modern Neoplatonists then?
THE FUCKING NEOPLATONISTS!
WTF?

>I don't think I agree more fully with any other philosopher's writings except maybe Schopenhauer
Nietzsche was closer

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>Nietzsche was closer
what are you, 12?

gnosis was central to breaking the cycle of reincarnation, once you have the knowledge you don't need to keep running on the threadmill

so in all your arguments against gnosticism are
>muh homos
>muh sex
>muh magic rituals
>muh trannies
none of which are core tenents of gnosticism. the Vatican called the templars homos so they can level some charges at them, that's it. Sex is a tool, just like any other. Rituals magic is shit most of the time and it should be paired with entheogens in order to induce guided astral projection. anything else, like fortune spells or love spells are bullshit. the idea that man should reconcile and combine the feminin with the masculin doesn't mean that you should turn yourself into a transexual.
faggots ruin everything they touch. but not all sages were gay.

>muh Dharma
just more imperfection from a supposedly perfect god

fear is one hell of tool to keep someone in check

nigga read Nietzsche and then go read Evola.

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>nigga read Nietzsche and then go read Evola.
literal children, all of you.

gnostic here

TL:DR = god of jews is a lower blood thirsty demiurge/demigod.

God of Jesus = True Source, Enlightenment, Absolute Truth

but have you read him? have you read Beyond good and evil? have you read Ride the tiger by Evola?

this is a weird thing to sum it up as.

Of course, and its mostly childish drivel. The only thing the mere mortals need to bother with is Plato's Republic and The Enchiridian.

holy shit what a load of crap. misinformation shill or total idiot acting like they know something?

>none of which are core tenents of gnosticism. the Vatican called the templars homos so they can level some charges at them, that's it. Sex is a tool, just like any other. Rituals magic is shit most of the time and it should be paired with entheogens in order to induce guided astral projection. anything else, like fortune spells or love spells are bullshit. the idea that man should reconcile and combine the feminin with the masculin doesn't mean that you should turn yourself into a transexual.
faggots ruin everything they touch. but not all sages were gay.

Basically, its an idea of Aleister Crowley ONLY, and its his personal understanding of these things. Actually, reconciliation of masculinity and feminine makes you True Chad Alpha Gentleman, however aleiser and co. interpreted that as turning yourself into a faggot or a tranny, so now we have what we have. Dare I say that this thing was intentional and MI6 specifically chose Crowley, so consider that as a twisted English humor.

how do you reconcile Jesus being the Creator with evil done in Creation?

John 1:1 says Jesus was present at Creation in Genesis, when Yahweh made the world.

>how do you reconcile Jesus being the Creator with evil done in Creation?

Jesus is One with True God, true Source.

Jews worship a lower deimurge/demigod

Actually Evola is not far in his understanding of things from Crowley, and I would not recommend him at all. All those "traditionalists" imply ancient "sacred" tradition, which in a nutshell Crowleys interpretation of things (i.e. sacred homosexuality employed by uncivilized tribes), and thats why all "traditionalists" gravitated towards islam.

yes but Scripture says Jesus either IS Yahweh, or made Yahweh. that's why I ask, how do you reconcile the True God being a creator of the archon?

>what are you, 12?
Japs can't philosophy. Everything that isn't primitive ancestor larping came from Aryan Zen travelors of the Iranian-Aryan sort.

>gnosis was central to breaking the cycle of reincarnation
You can't break shit by larping. Reincarnation was the Pooh In The Loo monkey version of the original Aryan TRANSMIGRATION... You're not going to be born a turtle Jeb.

>so in all your arguments against gnosticism are
Ignores my entire arguement about NeoPlatonism. You're pathetic and have low reading comprehension. That's not a good sign for being so "enlightened"

>Sex is a tool. none of which are core tenents of gnosticism.
You hate sex because muh evil man penis demiurge. Muh virgin birth woaamans are superior Sophia!
It's all sexual brainwashing, even if there is no sex. See incels, mgtown and Lesbians who dont fuck but are stilled FUCKED.
>the idea that man should reconcile and combine the feminin with the masculin doesn't mean that you should turn yourself into a transexual.
Yes it does...

>guided astral projection
Hippie mind fuck = brainwashing
>just more imperfection from a supposedly perfect god
>Dharma is from Christianity
Gnostics can't history. You can't Aryan BRAHMA, you dont know the MONAD. You can't see the links. You're just edgy Christcucks and Jews.

>read Evola
neet life

>gnostic here
Demorilized

>is a weird thing to sum it up as.
And it's false
see

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>holy shit what a load of crap. misinformation shill or total idiot acting like they know something?
Go back to watching youtube you low IQ pleb

>Basically, its an idea of Aleister Crowley ONLY, and its his personal understanding of these things. Actually, reconciliation of masculinity and feminine makes you True Chad Alpha Gentleman

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i don't understand you're saying the God of the Bible is real and Lucifer is but Jesus isn't....you sound Jewish

>Crowleys interpretation of things (i.e. sacred homosexuality employed by uncivilized tribes),
this

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JEWS WORSHIP REMPHAN AKA THE DEMIRUGE

Yahweh is Janus, and for the record Janus made all of us, not vice versa

you are one heckin unhinged proselyte of the (((Synagogue of Satan)))

>i don't understand you're saying the God of the Bible is real and Lucifer
Lucifer just means the light of Venus. It's a chriscuck meme created by the Vatican after the "light of jesus" monks called Luciferians strated doing charity work and the Pope saw them as a thread.

MODERN LUCIFERIANS came from Blavasky. She was a proto-Feminists anti-white who said we need to kill off all the white people to create a new "root race".
She also did psychic readings for money. t. scam artist.

"Lucifer" doesn't even belong in the bible because it's not their culture and came way later. = bad translation
Even to the Greeks Lucifer was just about Venus, not a real important thing

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what strain of kikes do you think was in Alexandria?

but you called me a Luciferian you goof, Jesus called himself the Bright and Morning Star anyways.

>you are one heckin unhinged proselyte of the (((Synagogue of Satan)))
t. Freemasons and Gnostics. All working to rebuild that temple goy!

RED HEFFER GOY!

>but you called me a Luciferian
No moron. I said you're covering for them by talking shit you dont know about.

>Everything that isn't primitive ancestor larping came from Aryan Zen travelors of the Iranian-Aryan sort.
Anything else isn't worth wasting time on. Who's country isn't going to hell in a handbasket, enlightment faggot.

well it's not God, the Source that made the demiurge. Sophia made the demiurge by mistake. The God above saw the deficiency and set about to destroy Sabaoth, through freeing the sparks that got stuck here. It is really interesting because a broken sumerian clay tablet from 4500 years ago talks about Enki trapping holy kids on Earth to do the bidding of the gods here. so you know the teaching of all ages I guess

you're a fuckin retard. it has nothing to do with the millenial ''witch'' shit you are talking about

>Blavasky. She was a proto-Feminists anti-white who said we need to kill off all the white people to create a new "root race".
give me a quote faggot

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>calling Jesus a goy

normally I keep my mouth shut about who I am but I am sick of all the deception and misdirection about what is what.

sorry you're wrong bro, I hope you just quietly leave the thread or reconcile and rule of cool your way into grace over a protracted amount of time into the future

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>Who's country isn't going to hell in a handbasket,
Who's country is full of pedos worshiping cartoons and years away from being eaten by China, Jap?

Seems like you only worship Jehovah, sounds like you're some sort of Jew

>then why does unnecessary suffering exist you piece of shit cuck? huh? why so much death? why do things need to kill in order to survive?
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irenaean_theodicy

Care to elaborate?

>you're a fuckin retard. it has nothing to do with the millenial ''witch'' shit you are talking about
Goes on to defend Blavasky, kek!
>give me a quote faggot

Her entire life's work

calling Jesus a goy
That didn't happen. You need to learn to fucking read, fuck.

Seems like you're Christian Zionist

>muh China
>muh moral grandstanding over cartoons while my women get BLACKED
weak shit.

I don't care what you have to say about being wrong because you still are

stop misinforming people about how this shit works, it's criminal

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Just another herecy trying to corrupt Church of Jesus

>God is evil! Worsphip woamans! Mamma Sophia
>Irenaean_theodicy
>God is either not responsible for creating evil, or he is not guilty for creating evil.

What's sad is "God" is just a Germanic word for Godin, Godan, Wod, ODIN from the Germanic Vulgate. You faggots are just ignorant brainwashed larpers with no historical knowledge.

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This whole tarot deck symolizes a hero journey, or a Great Work, so yeah, at some moment you will be, lets say, blackpilled, but at this moment you will (or will not, depends on your "skill") see the light and eventually you will end up in glory. Tower is before the card Sun.

>drink the reductionist materialism kool-aid
>call Blavatsky an anti-white feminist and a scam artist
wew lad, I think you lost your way to Reddit at some point

The bullshit heretics are making up is astounding

>muh China
>muh moral grandstanding over cartoons while my women get BLACKED
t. Jap defending pedo culture and Communist China while using Communist shitposts "blacked". Fuck off bugman.

>I don't care what you have to say about being wrong because you still are a criminal

t. NPC

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Nothing would please me more than the destruction of Israel, maybe retaking """Istanbul"""

>quote ends at the end of the second sentence in a 9-page article
>doesn't even address the issue at hand
>flag
It checks out.

>pedo culture
>14+ cartoon girls that have always been legal breeding age and not feminist bullshit
God you western cucks are insufferable. Also you other posts are garbage too. I bet you watch Rick and Morty.