The "Blacking" of Ancient Rome led to its decline (historical sources)

We hear a lot about the "barbarian hordes" from the north and how they hastened Rome's decline. We hear a lot less about their mud-race problems from the south and east. Gee, I wonder (((why))).```

What follows is a patchwork of quotes from various sources hinting at the scope of Ancient Rome's racial cucking problem, and the predictable decline and fall thereafter.

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1. In his piece, “Race mixture in the Roman Empire”, Frank outlined how he first realized that race mixture was the cause of the change in Roman society. By studying the names of graves on the Appian way in Rome, he found that huge numbers of late Roman Republic inhabitants had names which originated in the (((Levant,)) or Middle East, in strong contrast to the early inhabitants of Rome, who had Latin names.

Frank describes it so:

>"There is one surprise that the historian usually experiences upon his first visit to Rome. It may be the Galleria Lapidaria of the Vatican or at the Lateran Museum, but, if not elsewhere, it can hardly escape him upon his first walk up the Appian Way. As he stops to decipher the names upon the old tombs that line the road, hoping to chance upon one familiar to him from his Cicero or Livy, he finds prenomen and nomen promising enough, but the cognomina all seem awry. L. Lucretius Pamphilus, A. Aemilius Alexa, M. Clodius Philostosgas do not smack of freshman Latin. And he will not readily find in the Roman writers now extant an answer to the questions that these inscriptions invariably raise. Do these names imply that the Roman stock was completely changed after Cicero’s day, and was ```the satirist (Juvenal) recording a fact when he wailed that the Tiber had captured the waters of the Syrian Orontes?'''

Frank, Tenney, 1916 `Race mixture in the Roman Empire': American
Historical Review, Volume 21

archive.org/details/jstor-1835889/page/n1

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libgen.io/book/index.php?md5=EB485EC262EBA01FC79B6B71F2DB68DB
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_history_of_Italy
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africa_(Roman_province)
archive.4plebs.org/pol/search/image/N4lVJvhXA3LFO0ICDXUtdA/
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1181945/
archive.4plebs.org/pol/search/image/RF6ka8M3631gLHQ-rnwY6g/country/fr/
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nations_and_intelligence
youtube.com/watch?v=p3l7fgvrEKM
youtube.com/watch?v=PcZCGMCDzbU
twitter.com/SFWRedditVideos

>“To discover some new light upon these fundamental questions of Roman history, I have tried to gather such fragmentary data as the corpus of inscriptions might afford. This evidence is never decisive in its purport, and it is always, by the very nature of the material, partial in its scope, but at any rate it may help us to interpret our literary sources to some extent. It has at least convinced me that Juvenal and Tacitus were not exaggerating. ==It is probable that when these men wrote a very small percentage of the free plebians on the streets of Rome could prove unmixed Italian descent. By far the larger part — perhaps ninety percent - had Oriental blood in their veins.”==

Frank, Tenney, 1916 `Race mixture in the Roman Empire': American
Historical Review, Volume 21

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Lot of name-changin' going on as fake (((Greeks))) flooded Rome

>"Clearly the Greek name was considered as a sign of dubious origin among the Roman plebians, and the freedman family that rose to any social ambitions made short shift of it. For these reasons, therefore, I consider that the presence of a Greek name in the immediate family is good evidence that the subject of the inscription is of servile or foreign stock."

These “Greek” names were for the greatest part not Greeks at all, and were Middle Easterners who had adopted Greek names.

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The writer Juvenal, speaking of the Roman population, actually points out the Levantine origin of many of these people in his writings, referring to the Syrian River, the Orontes:

>“These dregs call themselves Greeks but how small a portion is from Greece; the River Orontes has long flowed into the Tiber”

(Juvenal, III, 62).

>"Therefore, when the urban inscriptions show that seventy per cent of the city slaves and freedmen bear Greek names and that a larger portion of the children who have Latin names have parents of Greek names, this at once implies that the East was the source of most of them, and with that inference Bang’s conclusions (Dr. Bang of Germany) entirely agree. In his list of slaves that specify their origin as being outside Italy (during the empire), by far the larger portion came from the Orient, especially from Syria and the provinces of Asia Minor, with some from Egypt and Africa (which for racial classification may be taken with the Orient). Some are from Spain and Gaul, but a considerable portion of these came originally from the East.”

>“Very few slaves are recorded from the Alpine and Danube provinces, while Germans rarely appear, except among the imperial bodyguard. Bang remarks that Europeans were of greater service to the empire as soldiers than servants….and this, in turn, helps to explain the strikingly Oriental aspect of the new population.”

Frank, Tenney 1916 `Race mixture in the Roman Empire': American
Historical Review, Volume 21, pp. 700, 701).

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>italians
>original 56%ers
no way bro

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I'm afraid it's true. Frank went on to explain the push and pull effect that led to the racial makeup change in Rome: of how native Romans were drawn away from Rome by colonization and military service, and of how their places were taken up by slaves, in serfdom and as freedmen, in Rome itself:

>“Thus, during the thirty years before Tiberius Gracchus, the census statistics show no increase. During the first century B. C., the importation of captives and slaves continued, while the free-born citizens were being wasted in the social, Sullan, and civil wars. Augustus affirms that he had had half a million citizens under arms, one eighth of Rome’s citizens, and that the most vigorous part.”

(Frank, Tenney 1916 `Race mixture in the Roman Empire': American Historical Review, Volume 21 p. 703).

>"[White Romans] {spent their twenty years of vigor in garrison duty
while the slaves, exempt from such services, lived at home and increased in numbers.

In other words, the native stock was supported by less than a normal birthrate, whereas the stock of foreign extraction had not only a fairly normal birthrate but a liberal quota of manumissions to its advantage.”

(Frank, Tenney 1916 `Race mixture in the Roman Empire': American Historical Review, Volume 21 p. 703).


==== ROMAN FATE SEALED ======

Duff pointed out that even by the time of Octavian Augustus, there were significant numbers of ‘Orientals’ in Rome:

>“Even in Augustus’ day the process of Orientalization had gone too far. The great emperor saw the clouds, but he did not know they had actually burst. His legislation would have been a prudent and not a whit excessive a century earlier; but in his time Rome was a (((cosmopolitan))) city, and the doom of the Empire was already sealed”

(A.M. Duff, Freedmen in the Early Roman Empire, pp. 207, 208)

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bump, what the fuck is wrong with this board lately

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So the "syrians" were crafty were they ? Any DNA ties to the jews

This concept isn't that new, last time I saw a thread like this it focussed on roman thots fucking there slaves as well.

Well it IS monday morning , some Anons probably have to go to work soon .

>smart people build civilization and create wealth
>dumbfucks flock to civilization
>good times allow dumbfucks to out bred smart people
>civilization peaks, then declines, then collapses
>dumbfuck diseases wipe out dumbfucks and leave smart people
>new civilization develops

Probably has happened many times over last 10,000 years.
Each case somewhat different circustances but similar outcome.
No repeats but rhymes
Irish potato famine
The various plagues
Sometimes reverse effect events like Great flood, Santorini blow where smart people were killed off more than dumb fucks

Btw those pics of Roman commoner burial drawings showed they were a muttly crew

This shit needs to be taught in school.

>this meme again

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_history_of_Italy

They have one of the highest IQ's in Europe and their blood is almost the same as it was 2000 years ago. This is not debatable. We can still trace the Etruscans for fuck sake.

But North Africa wasn't black/Arab at the time

It'd make more sense if you call us jews

Well that's the real issue. It wasn't racial mixing because the racial profile of Europe outside of the UK, Spain, and Sicily has barely changed. The UK is literally just the Romans leaving (relatively small genetic profile weirdly), and a huge influx of Nordic/French blood. Sicily/Spain is Muslim.

The real tragedy is North Africa. They were not also so muzzie. Would have been better if the Vandals held the land. Byzantium failed in the 800s to hold it because of the wars with Persia (who used to be fine too).

He's being silly Mario. You guys have your bloodline and should be proud of it.

>But North Africa wasn't black/Arab at the time
It was black and arab for 6000 before Rome existed, what the fuck are you talking about?
>It'd make more sense if you call us jews
That's exactly what the sources I posted said, try reading before you post, brainlet.

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>6000
*6000 years

It absolutely was not. The Illyrians were very swarthy but most of North Africa was populated by semi-semitic people from the Levant. It was one of the richest most productive places in the Empire.

>Northern Africa had no blacks prior to Rome, or during Rome
=]

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Sorry not Illyrians the Libyans.

I didn't say no blacks that's silly.

Nigger look at this shit. This wasn't built by niggers.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africa_(Roman_province)

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>I didn't say no blacks that's silly.
You contradicted me when I disputed spaghetti user for saying so. Read more carefully.

OH NONONONO

It was but it wasn't from Carthage until the 9th century.

Shut the fuck up, you delusional wop.

The IQ comes from Germanic blood and even today "Italian" is a very fluid identity. Don't pretend that a Venetian is the same as a nigger from Sicily.

That girl is italian.
conclusion ?
Your cherry picking is good and mine is bad right ?

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Gothic genes with a tint of native Latin.

That's also italian..

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I explicitly said Sicily is arab'd as shit.

Mainland Italy is still Europe and more so the further north you go.

They get fucking tanned. All white people minus the ultra blue eyed blondes do. (and gingers, my mother is ginger doesn't tan).

Also fuck why the FUCK does google want chimneys.

>I explicitly said Sicily is arab'd as shit.
That girl is actually sicilian

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Averages my man. Also some chick from Syracuse isn't the same as one from the toolies.

Dude, I'm sorry to shit on your delusions, but Italians as a whole are mixed as shit.

You don't think that Sicilians and Venetians fucked each other over the last 1,000 years?

Norman blood you useless fucking retard

Its always some American shill who starts these slide threads.

Look how desperate people are for (you)s.
archive.4plebs.org/pol/search/image/N4lVJvhXA3LFO0ICDXUtdA/

>but Italians as a whole are mixed as shit.

Who isn't ? No cherry picking...
These will give you an idea of what they tend to look like

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I know it's fucked but racemixing to the extent of eliminating or even significantly messing up the thousands of years old bloodlines was rare. I've got shit for Greece too. Very little Turk. Same deal. Below PREDATES the Empire.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1181945/

t. descendant of Armenian transplants under Byzantine rule

@188613393
Get help.
archive.4plebs.org/pol/search/image/RF6ka8M3631gLHQ-rnwY6g/country/fr/

I'm Scot/Irish/Welsh/Brit/Ukrainian btw. I'm just not shitting on the guys who built the modern world before steam.

Bump for only good thread in days. I see it around me in real life affirmative action destroyed this country more then a thousand atom bombs ever could.

>Averages my man. Also some chick from Syracuse isn't the same as one from the toolies.

What about them ? averages, and ? i've been to Italy, many times. many different regions. I think i have a decent idea of what they tend to look like. Unlike the average Jow Forums cunt.

Guys in blue are italian...guys in green are irish...
To me, they both look european.
Yes, i've seen italians who look suspicious, like arabs... But they're not "the norm" unlike what you fucking idiots believe around here.

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I'm just saying Sicily has a higher percentage of Arab genetics due to them getting solidly invaded for a long time. I think North America may have taken a lot of them in. The Mafia was very brown and very sicilian. I'm musing though that's not backed up by data.

>highest IQ

sure buddy

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It's rough.

There's still a Russian and Chinese ICBM pointed at my city and I'm more worried about my own government destroying my civilization.

Mid terms. It'll ease up some after November just watch.

>SEETHING
Maybe stop being so fucking butthurt and you won't notice.

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french people look black as fuck
anyone with brown eyes/hair is half ape imo

I could be wrong laddy. Here was what I was going off.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nations_and_intelligence

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Looking glow in the dark D&C there.

>Clicks and wiggles around spreading disease
Fucking gross

Jewpedia

After we are done with the sandniggers and niggers, g*ermancucks are next.

>Your average Italian is a rich sports shooter
Right

do you think that tall, blue eyed, blonde men look upon brown peoples and consider them their kin?
pan ((european)) is a label that means nothing

German niggers brought your history out of the dirt. Have a little respect Themistocles.

>I'm just saying Sicily has a higher percentage of Arab genetics due to them getting solidly invaded for a long time. I think North America may have taken a lot of them in. The Mafia was very brown and very sicilian. I'm musing though that's not backed up by data.

I've been to Sicily. I expected to see a part of europe no different than north africa (from what i've been told). I was actually surprised by the number of them who looked like your average European person. I did see some odd looking ones (very swarthy), some even had semetic like features.. But again, i insist on this. They're not the norm.
Granted, you'll find more of them in Sicily and especially in Malta.

But Jow Forums often speaks of italy as if they were non-europeans. When in fact most of you morons wouldn't be able to differenciate them with other europeans if your life depended on it.

That singer is italian... Had i told you she was Estonian or Swedish, you would've believed me.
youtube.com/watch?v=p3l7fgvrEKM

Italians, from my experience are very diverse.

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Yeah considering they've been popping out brown eyed brown haired kids forever at a varying rate due to that genetic variation being not 100% consistent.

You glow. Go away.

>things that never happened

>you morons wouldn't be able to differenciate them with other europeans if your life depended on it.
I've literally confused Italians here in America for Arabs multiple times.

That tells me you're full of shit.

Basically, history is repeating itself and our civilisation is crumbling because of immigration.

I'm going to defer you, with the predicate on you probably saw the big cities which should be more diverse. Let me grab some stats on Sicilian DNA.

Jow Forums is full of glow in the dark shills who want to divide Europe. Iranian intel and JIDF.

>Who is Heinrich Schliemann.
>What is the German excavation of Olympia

They fucking discovered the shop of Phidias for fuck sake. They found his MUG with is name on it.

Not a good data set. Different people left Italy for the new world. The poorer ones were browner.

Gods work

>literally a droplet in Hellenic history
>"ZOMFG they are the reason you know about your hisroty"
chill the fuck down leaf, if you want to go that path we are the reason they have a civilization in the first place

You fucking queers!
*throws folding chair*

kek. this is what mutts actually believe.
I work security in a casino, we get people in from everywhere in Europe, almost every fucking day we have some new medshit from greece or italy showing up and they all look like pakis.
pan ((euromutt)) is a weapon against the north

Read all and "rules jointly". Just like my work. They pair me with a nigger because he needs help and they need to keep their EOE good.

Bull shit niggers cant rule anything.

Shit no. Apologies just saying they did a good job bringing some things to light that, by all means, might not have even by now.

>I've literally confused Italians here in America for Arabs multiple times.
>That tells me you're full of shit.

And i've seen the opposite...Arabs who looked European. Your point ?
Yes, i've seen italians who look like arabs. And? Your experience is worthless. I've traveled to your fucking country. I've been to NY, Many parts of california, Misouri.....Been to Austria, Estonia, Switzerland, Germany, Sicily, Italy, Croatia...In other words, i've traveled a lot.
That's your education.
youtube.com/watch?v=PcZCGMCDzbU

First hand experience always beats your hollywood fantasies. I've travled to Italy..Not just the touristic parts of the country.

Bad. Data.

You get the shitty ones. Of course you would man. Think about it. The ones that leave and go gamble in a UK casino are not a fair example of the bloodlines present.

That's fair enough, not gonna deny facts.

That video is more accurate than whatever dogshit is churning in your swarthy head. You operate solely on confirmation bias.

Beyond that for a good 2 centuries they larped as you guys. So did the Romans. And we all live in the shadow of you. We only exist because of Salamis. That was zero hour for western civ. A true story greater than anything Homer wrote.

Why is your English so bad? Were you born here?

canadian nigger

>That video is more accurate than whatever dogshit is churning in your swarthy head.

Like i said...That's your education.

Too fancy? I'm loaded. Born in Van, live in south BC. Dad's side traces back to 17th century Nova Scotia.

I swear to christ and jupiter/zeus if I get one more laggy ass bus captcha I'll pull out my card.

I can accept that may be the case as its the case here for sure but I cant ignore that in person Ive never seen a blue eyed shitalian, greekroach or balkan, I dont think Ive met one over 5'9foot tall.

The whitest looking southerners Ive seen are cherrypicked Jow Forums pictures.

Africans in Roman Empire meant North Africans, niggers were rare there

Syrians back then were white looking. That before the Arab invasion and the African slave trade turned them in brown sandniggers

North Africans are worse than niggers in my experience.

did he get stung by bees?

>I can accept that may be the case as its the case here for sure but I cant ignore that in person Ive never seen a blue eyed shitalian, greekroach or balkan, I dont think Ive met one over 5'9foot tall.

I've actually seen blue eyed Greeks not far from where i live (at a greek restaurant).
So who's right and who's wrong ?

This guy is italian...How can you tell ?

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(((Italians))) = True merchants

House of Borja
House of Breakspeare
House of Somaglia
House of Orsini (Orso)
House of Conti
House of Chigi
House of Colonna
House of Farnese
House of Medici
House of Gaetani
House of Pamphili
House of Este
House of Aldobrandini

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I haven't either. I have Italians in the family from Van and they're pretty swarthy. Look sort of Lebanese desu. But I don't take that as gospel, I'm going off the fact there's still traceable bloodlines from bones that aren't far off going back millennia. You look at art from back then though and that seems accurate. They had the curly hair brown skins and blondes too. Even red heads. From what I gather they do in Italy too. We could just look at a shitload of pics online from non-urban centers? Places with few tourists.

It is always Americans calling others niggers. Yet their nation has been mixing with black slaves from the very start. Absolutely obsessed

Some of those are just locals turned to kikery. I'm not sure what's worse.

Jews did that to them. Give them some slack they put a man on the moon and are pretty much our best hope right now.

We lost that status a long time ago my dude.

>North Africans are worse than niggers in my experience.

Niggers are the worse.
Arabs are also terrible and ideally, i'd want them both out of europe, but blacks, whether christian or muslim...makes no difference. They have an abnormally high crime rate. It's not just in America. They torture, rape, humiliate whites in south africa...and our own government has brainwashed them into hating us more so than they already do.

>The whitest looking southerners Ive seen are cherrypicked Jow Forums pictures.
>posts cherrypicked Jow Forums pic

Raid the Vatican archives. I want to know what the fuck they have in those vaults.

>I haven't either. I have Italians in the family from Van and they're pretty swarthy. Look sort of Lebanese desu.

These girls are italian...
Kinda like the one in the middle ?

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Yeah no, unless you believe the Kang theory. The Arabs conquered North Africa centuries later the fall of rome

>ideally, i'd want them both out of europe,
Except if they declare themselves Sicilian of course.

They have an average IQ far below any European. There's no debate on it. I don't suggest anything dramatic but we need to be aware. The best US supreme court justice is a black guy but black people are the main bane of their nation. It's not simple.

Meanwhile Italy is trying to save itself from foreign migrants while the "pure high IQ aryan Germanics" are sucking down muslim dong and begging for more.

2nd from the left but curly hair. Aquiline nose but dark skin and said curly hair. It's not arabic nor classical euro but something in the middle. The archetype is present in ancient art.