The "Blacking" of Ancient Rome led to its decline (historical sources) THREAD 2

We hear a lot about the "barbarian hordes" from the north and how they hastened Rome's decline. We hear a lot less about their mud-race problems from the south and east. Gee, I wonder (((why))).```

What follows is a patchwork of quotes from various sources hinting at the scope of Ancient Rome's racial cucking problem, and the predictable decline and fall thereafter.

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1. In his piece, “Race mixture in the Roman Empire”, Frank outlined how he first realized that race mixture was the cause of the change in Roman society. By studying the names of graves on the Appian way in Rome, he found that huge numbers of late Roman Republic inhabitants had names which originated in the (((Levant,)) or Middle East, in strong contrast to the early inhabitants of Rome, who had Latin names.

Frank describes it so:

>"There is one surprise that the historian usually experiences upon his first visit to Rome. It may be the Galleria Lapidaria of the Vatican or at the Lateran Museum, but, if not elsewhere, it can hardly escape him upon his first walk up the Appian Way. As he stops to decipher the names upon the old tombs that line the road, hoping to chance upon one familiar to him from his Cicero or Livy, he finds prenomen and nomen promising enough, but the cognomina all seem awry. L. Lucretius Pamphilus, A. Aemilius Alexa, M. Clodius Philostosgas do not smack of freshman Latin. And he will not readily find in the Roman writers now extant an answer to the questions that these inscriptions invariably raise. Do these names imply that the Roman stock was completely changed after Cicero’s day, and was ```the satirist (Juvenal) recording a fact when he wailed that the Tiber had captured the waters of the Syrian Orontes?'''

Frank, Tenney, 1916 `Race mixture in the Roman Empire': American
Historical Review, Volume 21

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Based Burger

There was an interesting thread about this on infinitychan a while back. Still got the link.

Medshits BTFO. I always knew ancient Romans were Nordic Aryans and not the shitskins inhabiting today shitaly

Post pls

You do know how easy it is for me to keep making threads right?

>Names equal race
>Ignoring that all Romans referred to euros as barbarians, but never Africans or syrians

Nobody takes you seriously

"All the human culture, all the results of art, science, and technology that we see before us today, are almost exclusively the creative product of the Aryan. This very fact admits of the not unfounded inference that he alone was the founder of all higher humanity, therefore representing the prototype of all that we understand by the word "man." He is the Prometheus of mankind from whose bright forehead the divine spark of genius has sprung at all times.... Exclude him- -and perhaps after a few thousand years darkness will again descend on the earth, human culture will pass, and the world turn to a desert.6Human culture and civilization on this continent are inseparably bound up with the presence of the Aryan. If he dies out or declines, the dark veils of an age without culture will again descend on this globe.

The Aryan gave up the purity of his blood and, therefore, lost his sojourn in the paradise which he had made for himself. He became submerged in the racial mixture, and gradually, more and more, lost his cultural capacity, until at last, not only mentally but also physically, he began to resemble the subjected aborigines more than his own ancestors.... Thus cultures and empires collapsed to make place for new formations. Blood mixture and the resultant drop in the racial level is the sole cause of the dying out of old cultures; for men do not perish as a result of lost wars, but by the loss of that force of resistance which is contained only in pure blood. All who are not of good race in this world are chaff."

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Hard to admit that Europe was uncivilized until the middle eastern Romans raped culture into them

>native Romans were drawn away from Rome by colonization and military service, and of how their places were taken up by slaves
So you are saying that native Roman men were absent due to wars, and so
their women were bored and started fucking slave underclass?
Where else have I seen that?

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The Spartans were prolific buttfuckers and we know that. They let their women get away with a lot.

They sold out to Persia, fuck em.

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lol the faggot shitskin gave up already

For user last thread:

Homer is godlike.

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WE WUZ NORDIC AND SHIEEEE

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For the next thread.

I thought it took longer for the Arabs to take over NA. Didn't realize it was the same century as Muhammad. Even worse desu.

The Vandals did hold Roman tradition and government from what I've read though, you have something I can read up on this?

Hungary you're on thin ice.

What is a Barbary lion? Where is the Barbary coast?

look calm the fuck down faggot.
even the leafs are tired of your shitposting

gonna repost some shit from last thread for people that missed it (I wasn't OP of that thread I just made this thread to BTFO the Hungarian autist)

Nigger he spammed the last thread with a dozen 56% memes.

He's still here

>“To discover some new light upon these fundamental questions of Roman history, I have tried to gather such fragmentary data as the corpus of inscriptions might afford. This evidence is never decisive in its purport, and it is always, by the very nature of the material, partial in its scope, but at any rate it may help us to interpret our literary sources to some extent. It has at least convinced me that Juvenal and Tacitus were not exaggerating. ==It is probable that when these men wrote a very small percentage of the free plebians on the streets of Rome could prove unmixed Italian descent. By far the larger part — perhaps ninety percent - had Oriental blood in their veins.”==

Frank, Tenney, 1916 `Race mixture in the Roman Empire': American
Historical Review, Volume 21

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Lot of name-changin' going on as fake (((Greeks))) flooded Rome

>"Clearly the Greek name was considered as a sign of dubious origin among the Roman plebians, and the freedman family that rose to any social ambitions made short shift of it. For these reasons, therefore, I consider that the presence of a Greek name in the immediate family is good evidence that the subject of the inscription is of servile or foreign stock."

These “Greek” names were for the greatest part not Greeks at all, and were Middle Easterners who had adopted Greek names.

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I don't think even he is autistic enough to spam this thread to 300 replies from the very beginning

THE ROMANS WERE IN FACT NORDIC

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The writer Juvenal, speaking of the Roman population, actually points out the Levantine origin of many of these people in his writings, referring to the Syrian River, the Orontes:

>“These dregs call themselves Greeks but how small a portion is from Greece; the River Orontes has long flowed into the Tiber”

(Juvenal, III, 62).

>"Therefore, when the urban inscriptions show that seventy per cent of the city slaves and freedmen bear Greek names and that a larger portion of the children who have Latin names have parents of Greek names, this at once implies that the East was the source of most of them, and with that inference Bang’s conclusions (Dr. Bang of Germany) entirely agree. In his list of slaves that specify their origin as being outside Italy (during the empire), by far the larger portion came from the Orient, especially from Syria and the provinces of Asia Minor, with some from Egypt and Africa (which for racial classification may be taken with the Orient). Some are from Spain and Gaul, but a considerable portion of these came originally from the East.”

>“Very few slaves are recorded from the Alpine and Danube provinces, while Germans rarely appear, except among the imperial bodyguard. Bang remarks that Europeans were of greater service to the empire as soldiers than servants….and this, in turn, helps to explain the strikingly Oriental aspect of the new population.”

Frank, Tenney 1916 `Race mixture in the Roman Empire': American
Historical Review, Volume 21, pp. 700, 701).

Frank went on to explain the push and pull effect that led to the racial makeup change in Rome: of how native Romans were drawn away from Rome by colonization and military service, and of how their places were taken up by slaves, in serfdom and as freedmen, in Rome itself:

>“Thus, during the thirty years before Tiberius Gracchus, the census statistics show no increase. During the first century B. C., the importation of captives and slaves continued, while the free-born citizens were being wasted in the social, Sullan, and civil wars. Augustus affirms that he had had half a million citizens under arms, one eighth of Rome’s citizens, and that the most vigorous part.”

(Frank, Tenney 1916 `Race mixture in the Roman Empire': American Historical Review, Volume 21 p. 703).

>"[White Romans] {spent their twenty years of vigor in garrison duty
while the slaves, exempt from such services, lived at home and increased in numbers.

In other words, the native stock was supported by less than a normal birthrate, whereas the stock of foreign extraction had not only a fairly normal birthrate but a liberal quota of manumissions to its advantage.”

(Frank, Tenney 1916 `Race mixture in the Roman Empire': American Historical Review, Volume 21 p. 703).


==== ROMAN FATE SEALED ======

Duff pointed out that even by the time of Octavian Augustus, there were significant numbers of ‘Orientals’ in Rome:

>“Even in Augustus’ day the process of Orientalization had gone too far. The great emperor saw the clouds, but he did not know they had actually burst. His legislation would have been a prudent and not a whit excessive a century earlier; but in his time Rome was a (((cosmopolitan))) city, and the doom of the Empire was already sealed”

(A.M. Duff, Freedmen in the Early Roman Empire, pp. 207, 208)

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I'm only familiar with DNA tracking for outside of Rome (city proper), very general minus the Etruscan studies.

Do we have studies for Rome? Is it loaded with Oriental blood? Did they vote for commies?

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You say that...
but

Oriental in the time of Juvenal though just mean East of the Bosporus. Those aren't niggers?

The only thing wrong with Syrians is Islam. The only thing wrong with Jews is their identity.

Jews are pretty hideous physically

Culturally they had about the same detrimental effect right?

the pure breed ones, absolutely

Shit probably. They weren't enlightened. The Greek and somehow Roman miracle was isolated. I think the Roman choice for Republic based on a distant foreign ideal is understated in its importance.

Yeah there were Greeks nearby but they weren't Athenian, they didn't have Democracy. How the fuck Rome came up with Republic after kicking out the Etruscan kings, it's as much a miracle as Democracy after Cleisthenes.

A bunch of people from the near east moved in, changed their names to blend in, and contributed to the eventual decline of the empire. Interesting...

At least the changed their names and tried to blend in

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Well please let Elon know his new Argie spaceship is about to get nuked by my sides.

Fuck me they’re actually doing it. They’re actually rewriting Roman history.

Sic Semper Tyroneus!

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>Sic Semper Tyroneus!

Seriously tho doesn't BBC and Hollywood make movies and shows were the main Greek and Roman leaders are black now?

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There's a show with Achilles as a black man.

That's insulting to everything to all civilization ever. It's the finest most concentrated insult to the very existence of truth.

I’m sure they do but I don’t pay attention to it, shit’s all fucking retarded and doesn’t deserve to be regarded as anything more than putting monkeys in tuxedos. In this case togas and laurels

Yeah it's ridiculous

That’s Hollywood, blacks, and Judaism for you

The funny thing is only "intelligent" people watch BBC historical dramas and should be able to see through the bullshit

It's a BBC show. The whole anglosphere is pozzed.

Pic related meds

you have a smaller brainsize

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So Caracalla was the first Amerimutt?

pretty standard fall of empires.

>a picture for ants?!

No. Open it.

bump

kill yourself newfag

Italians on average are whiter than ancient Romans

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how far north are they from?

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That boy is from Veneto:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breda_di_Piave

These kids are from southern Italy

Modern Roman (Simone Farina) vs ancient Roman patricians

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Modern Roman rugby player vs ancient Roman patricians

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Modern Roman (Odoacre Chierico) vs ancient Roman couple

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God I hate when Vikings "we wuz"

Go back to Africa subhuman shitskin

Well of course. Same with Ancient Egypt. You guys should really read Nature's Eternal Religion by Ben Klassen, he talks a lot about this.

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based
fuck Nordics

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GO BACK TO AFRICA SHITSKINS!!1!

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not entirely on the same topic but if you look into how kikes spread throughout Europe, they had almost no presence in anywhere north of Italy prior to the year 600. The kike book publishing bloodline "Elsevier" petitioned Rome to be allowed to transplant a population of kikes into the Roman territory around France and Spain. And shortly thereafter the moors crossed the strait of Gibraltar and the kikes left the city gates open as they fled. The timing on all of it implies the entirety of that situation was coordinated.

.....you can't compare a hundred kids to one portrait. Various Italian islands are populated almost entirely by Middle Eastern immigrants from the stone age, and part of the mainland is also influenced by them. It's pretty clear that many Italians don't look like what they used to originally--way before written accounts. The population was mixing in antiquity, and sure as hell is mixed now. Google "early Roman emperors light hair and eyes" and see what you find out about men native to ancient Italy.

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>The Aryan gave up the purity of his blood and, therefore, lost his sojourn in the paradise which he had made for himself. He became submerged in the racial mixture, and gradually, more and more, lost his cultural capacity, until at last, not only mentally but also physically, he began to resemble the subjected aborigines more than his own ancestors....
Ya know what is real fucking interesting? This much is said in the bible. In genesis when cain kills abel god came down and said "What have you done? Your brothers blood cries out from the soil!

blood can obviously mean kin, but also, there is a long archaic proto-European root word that meant "the mass of humanity as a whole" and it was pronounced "soyl".

Um there are Italians right now that have blond hair. And the ruling class having these features is not suprising given many ruling classes had uncommon features that most of the general populous did not.

Lol you're a basedlboi

Why are there so many jews here today?

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Why are you comparing Romans (that originated in Rome) with various Italian islands (you mean Sicily and Sardinia?) and heck, even with southern Italy, when italic/roman Y-DNA R1b-U152 is more spread in central/northern Italy (more than 50% of the lineages in Emilia-Romagna)? Southern Italians have more Neolithic and Greek ancestry, you should compare ancient Romans with Tuscans or Emilians

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...od course a number of modern Italians do. I'm talking g about way back in prehistory for our autistic Italian friend who zeroes in on a few pictures from well after the migrations from the ME that I referenced.

ok but what's the point of this thread?

Also, Tuscans, North Italians and Dutch, maybe French, are the only white races with ZERO or ALMOST ZERO SubSaharan African/Mongoloid admixture

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you make it sound like they were just wearing animal pelts, using bodypaint and playing chief before semites went there

Gee, I wonder how the greeks learned to read