Why did most Veterans return from Vietnam with PTSD?

Yellow niggers using the jungle to their advantage

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Early modern military training that was designed to psychologically make a soldier much more likely to engage an enemy and lack of moral support from the people after they returned home. Breaking down the barriers that prevent a human being killing another doesn't come without a cost.

niggers happend.

My dad mentioned an island of skulls once. Couldn’t get him to elaborate.

ROE

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They lost

This

probably all the speed, paranoia and seeing your buddies in pieces

These certainly don't help / are certainly contributing factors.

This ties directly into my #1, here: ; though you put it much better.

They supplied the soldiers with weed, heroin, cocaine and LSD.
You do the math.

mostly committing warcrimes while high on hardcore psychedelics....
seems pretty awesome to me but i guess it messes with normie's heads

A whole lot of disillusionment, is my guess. It's bad in a unit that has its shit together in peacetime. I'd hate to see how bad it was in a fucked up all draftee unit fighting a losing war directed by the CIA.

king kong?

jungle and brutal urban combat. with long tours of combat and little off duty time.

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>t. Brainlet who thinks its unnatural for humans to kill others despite the historical record of our species because he read on killing.

Ptsd didnt come from killing communist guerrillas who would routinely massacre civilians just like every other communist purge. It came from poor leadership, booby traps, firefights, and the communist agitators at home yelling how you were a baby killer. Look at the Hardcore Recondos and general Hackworth - he turned a batallion of hippy draftees who smoked weed and didnt leave their base into a badass fighting force who hunted vietcong at night through discipline and leadership and instilling in them a sense of value in their mission.

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>What happened over there?
War

They thought the Vietnamese would fold like a cheap suit but they were tenacious little stinkers

Who pays you to repeat this thread all the time ? How many shekels?

The average soldier in Vietnam saw 300+ days of combat per deployment.

For reference, the average GI in WWII saw 10 days of combat.

Americans thought they were man enough to get into a jungle and kill all the gooks. Turns out that even with a superior technology they were still pussies that can't stand pression.
Just let the drones do the killing for you, you're men are just too weak.

Drugs, kids fresh out of high school, unfamiliar landscapes, Charlie's popping out of spider holes, mines, pitfall traps with shit covered bamboo spikes at the bottom, sucky sucky five dollar. Whole lotta shit to fuck with a dudes head.

Calling bullshit. Provide sources or fuck right off.

You can get PTSD from just about anything (reasonable, not a bloody Tweet).
Now be in a shit place under stress all the time in one of the absolute worst environments in the us 70s mil culture with high tensions (see: fragging) and a place where every tree is a potential deathtrap, you've got a fucking ridiculous canopy that means you can't get out easily, your enemy are literally underneath and around you and could pop up any time. War crimes all over the place. Non stop sweating your balls off, bugs, horrible jungle maladies, the temperature. You don't even want to be there as you've been conscripted. Then you get to see the worst things that can happen to a human body, happening to your mates and quite easily to yourself. And then your own population fucking hates you, spits at you, protests you when you do get to go back. Icing on the cake is that it doesn't even end well.

PTSD is a (((psuedo disease)))

Boomers had a comfy life before Vietnam.

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>you kill, rape, burn, torture, mutilate
>you crawl through jungles, sleep under a tree, fly in helicopters

>come back home, you get a job at walmart

uswings.com/about-us-wings/vietnam-war-facts/

Go back to raping white children, Mohammed

Didn't they use heroin during the war there to calm themselves?
Literal fucking retard

we fought the japs off of every jungle island in the pacific. the theater wasn't the issue, after ww2 total war was considered too humaine. thus we had the tools to win but the government did not have the will to win.

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The fighting military became disillusioned by what was a farce. There was no obvious enemy, so constant dread. If you got a reputation as a "buddy f**cker" you were assigned point. If you killed a South Viet by error, you threw their dog tags off the corpse and walked on.

My BFV days were the better adult years than my current bullshit three kids and debt life.

Because there was never a clear goal for Vietnam. Even then they could feel the absolute bullshit coming from Washington that justified the war. For other wars, you at least have
>Those crazy Japs bombed Pearl Harbor
>Those crazy Germans conquered half of Europe
but with Vietnam you have
>Those crazy Vietnamese are fighting with other Vietnamese and we're involved because Communism
Fighting Communism wasn't really a strong motivator for the soldier. For the individual, what does that mean to him and his family back home he has been forced to leave behind? Even today soldiers can justify their deployments to the Middle East by believing they're fighting terrorism and preventing it from spreading back home. No soldier entering Vietnam ever believed that these tree climbing rice pickers would ever pose a threat to the US mainland or even its economic interests, really, given how much of a jungle the whole country was.

>What happened over there?
there was a war

When men came home from WW2 the populace met them cheering at the piers. When men came home from Vietnam, they were reviled. Bad shit happens in every war but at least in most of them you have the support and welcome of your own people to come back home to.

We have an absurd number of records from that war.
Read Kill Anything That Moves by Nick Turse.

They slaughtered and were slaughtered and maimed for nothing - they lived in fear and misery and caused immeasurable fear and misery to others.

>japs consumed 200 calories daily
>mutts consumed 4000 calories

>m-merica soldiers stronk!

the ones with ptsd were just the hippy faggots. they had ptsd before they even got there.

that's a aussie in ww2 using a flamethrower on a child user.

The number for WWII is entirely false. In the Pacific theater land battles could go on for months. Read about the battle for New Guinea or Okinawa and reflect on what you posted.

They were in the trees man. THE TREES. OH GOD. THERE IN THE TREEEEEES

It was the nature of battle in WW2. Unless something duct happened, combat troops would fight a single battle. Rotate to the rear for 30 days R&R. Then start rotating through the various reserve positions. In Vietnam combat troops spent a full year in combat duty with maybe a week R&R.

As to the OPs question. WW2 vets also spent 3 months on a boat coming home working out their demons with each other. Vietnam vets were back in the world three days later.

Big reason why the us got involved to protect foreign drug trade.
Whatever failure of comis over there, were burning poppy fields

I know.
I was laughing at how you think it was hard to remove Japan from small islands when most Japanese couldn't move due to malnutrition and the US Navy bombarded islands for days before sending in boots on the ground.

And then Japan only surrendered because USA kept killing civilians.

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that's very very not true

Actually we skipped every island deemed unimportant. There were a lot of Japanese soldiers that spent the last part of the war sweating their balls off sitting on some bum fuck island.

They were upset that they got punted by a bunch of 5' tall gooks with shot tier weaponry.

We had a lot of broken men after the Winter & Continuation war who would turn to alcohol and hard drugs even though the population was largely supportive of the vets and were only defending their country and many detailed cases of men who would go into mental breakdowns when on machine gun duty, which is why they had to have rotations. I'm sure that your list of reasons greatly attribute to PTSD because not every war vet who suffers from it hasn't even necessarily have had to shoot anybody, but killing takes a toll on most minds.

>The average infantryman in the South Pacific during World War II saw about 40 days of combat in four years. The average infantryman in Vietnam saw about 240 days of combat in one year thanks to the mobility of the helicopter.

You are full of shit saying gis in ww2 saw 10 days of combat and the ones in vietnam saw 300. You are also misinterpreting your own source - 40 days of combat operations in WW2 theaters from the pacific campaigns to the Bulge is not the same as 240 days of combat in which you get dropped by a huey into a village for clearing operations enagage in a quick firefight then get airlifted out. I am oversimplifying of course but the point remains that the intensity of combat seen by WW2 troops was much higher than Vietnam. Read some books nigger.

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>WW2
>USA delibretely kills civilians
>win

>Vietnam
>no longer allowed to directly kill civilians
>lose

Hmm...

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>What happened over there?
Betty Ford made a lot of money selling helicopters to the army

Gay agent made a nigga orange

Dad was a Vietnam Veteran who had health issues starting a few years after he was discharged.

Dad was supposed to be non-combat. He didn't open up about Vietnam until he was in his 50's. Then we found out he seen a lot shit. Everyone who had boots on the ground seen shit there they didn't want to see. Some seen a lot more than others.

Much like 4ch & 8ch. Anons see shit happening that the rest of the world don't see or won't believe. Difference is lots of people were getting killed in Vietnam. Keep that shit inside you without talking about it and your brain will fuck with you.

Maybe try talking to them if they feel bad for killing commies? Every vet I know with PTSD is from seeing their friends get mangled and killed and from getting hit by ieds and explosives. Not one has said "oh boy i sure feel bad for killing pieces of shit" but quite the opposite "i wish I could go back and kill more of them".

A big part alot were drafted and never wanted to be in the military or kill

rs2 best game.

>thinks ‘fortunate son’ is called ‘it aint me’

Do you also like ‘teenage wasteland’? Cuck

Lies. Majority of vietnam soldiers were volunteers. Majority of draftees felt good about their mission and what they did. Stop believing marxist propaganda.

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You’ve got to be pretty stupid to think that fighting over seas is somehow defending the constitution. Then again all the smart people avoided the draft.

A lot of crazy people and retards are fucked up in the head before they even go through boot camp. When they get out, they’re more fucked up then they were before but they were already serial killer types to begin with.

WW2 had a lot of normal people join the military.

It’s not so much just what happened there it’s what was happening at home. Heroism and warriors don’t do well in a society where honour is a dirty word. They had to get by, calling their difference PTSD is as good a way as any.

Unironically this.

A lot of soldiers did a lot of fucked up things. I heard a nam vet in an AA meeting explain how when people tell him,” it’s not your fault, you were following orders, you had to do those things, ” he still feels shitty because he thinks back to the gook him and his buddies mutilated by stuffing an m80 in her pussy.

I am done feeling sympathy for such reckless golems of kikes

As soon as this is a pic of Australian squad, aussies, what is take on Vietnam there? Do you have your Oliver Stone and Jane Fonda on the issue? How vets are doing?

My feel as aussies are into military history and this is part of their identity, your trips to Gallipoly are kind of impressive. How Nam fit into it?

Agreed. Ww2 literally was a hard slog every mile. Vietnam was lots of extreme boredom interrupted by moments of sheer terror (ambush). Totally different tempo.

>It Ain't Me
Jesus. Absolutely pleb-tier appreciation for rock and roll.

This. Everyone thinks the 1960s US was 100% gross hippies. That was the case on college campuses but the vast majority of Americans supported the war until the later days of LBJ.

Im pretty sure Thomas Jefferson and George Washington were keeping tallies of every communist killed during the Cold War as they looked down from heaven.

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They should have been executed for that bullshit. You can not permit moral degeneracy in the field - it is cancer.

Probably has to do with the Jews one way or another.

Death.

Not at all. There is a stats on "days with engagement" at pacific and nam for random soldier, and in nam it was much more intencive, because of high troops mobility.

Gorilla warfare gooks made life a living hell.

This is true, its the redpill that no one wants to swallow. There are no civilians in war and you literally have to kill them to win.

If you let society carry on and don't instill the fear in them they will eventually start rebelling and forming "civilian" armies/militias. This was a huge part of Vietnam in particular where "civilians" compromised the Vietcong and hid in plain site as "civilians." However it also happened to Germany's occupation of France and Russia in WW2.

Then you also have the angle that Vietnam was an experimental CIA war where they wanted to try out new toys often on our own guys and the main point of the war was to take over the opiate trade.

Even in 1968, about 45% of college age Americans wanted to nuke Hanoi.

My dad never got PTSD, just a couple of scars and shit. He never did drugs either.

When you draft teens fresh out of school you get those who arent ready. Will never be ready. Their mind warps to the environment. Not excusing their action but more pointing out that the draft is an irresponsible tool that was used incorrectly in this war. Draft should only be used in examples of defense of the nation itself or a full world war.

imagine fighting war in a jungle. Not only do gooks build sneaky traps but also literally everything else around you can kill you. The jungle is the ultimate gauntlet.

Strangling an enemy's logistics and terrifying their civilian populace are two of the best ways to win a war. It's something western nations don't have the will for anymore.

If you can't figure this out yourself then just kys pls.

Lack of post-war debriefing and conditioning.
Poor public reception from public upon return.
Public perception of being a "lost" war, when the loss wasn't military, but political.
Little or no support systems for returning soldiers to re-integrate with society.

They were forced to fight in a war with no clear rules of engagement against enemies that dressed like civilians with no clear fronts or objective. Couple that with rampant drug use and chemicals being sprayed everywhere.

>terrifying their civilian populace are two of the best ways to win a war.
Yeah, that's the reason Jihadist's do it as well. There's a word for it now, something about terror.

>I must save the maiden! I'm coming, m'lady! And when I'm done, I will save you!

>Little or no support systems for returning soldiers to re-integrate with society.

To expand on this, it's not even entirely the government's fault.
It's literally the Silent Generation, who rushed to push children out of their families as soon as they became "adults", and excluded them from their families.

And yet it was a damn lot of them. Engaging in prostitution WHILE ENGAGED with worthless gooks, burning peoples straw huts down, shooting randos in fields, torture of randos, killing of livestock, killing puppies, taking LSD and other drugs during combat. Viet nam was so fucking ugly and should never have happened, but just know many many soldiers engaged in seriously fucked activities and much of the hate is well deserved, the problem is discerning the good ones from the bad, which is impossible. Honor and valor have not been practiced by the USA since the revolutionary war.

>t. broud sociobath

Yeah, it's unironically terror tactics. You can't conquer a nation without breaking its will. This is true for every successful invader in any period of history.

>IT AINT ME INTENSIFIES

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watch apocalypse now

it's hollyjew'd but not inaccurate

They've never experienced the intoxication of killing someone. They think war is clean and orderly, not barely contained primal frenzy.

How many people have you killed general fucking badass?