Do you ever wonder what all went on here

Probably viewed the Cherokee about like the Romans viewed the Cherokee.

You were a vassal under the ancient Greater Finnic Khanate

They had a dude whose full time job (shaman) was to stay fucked up all the time and commune with the "spirits".
Having engaged in such degeneracy as "entity" contacting drugs I can see for myself it's pretty convincing. BUT being from the modern era it seems safe for me to say I was just.
reel fukin high.

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> I mean they didn't have writing, books, never kept any history besides a bunch of word of mouth stuff.

Heard an idea a while ago that perhaps some cultures without written language used sophisticated memory building/storage techniques. Like this:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Method_of_loci

I think they just followed prey and did it by accident

>Do you ever wonder

Literally never. They were part of the ecosystem like the Dodo bird for a while and now they aren't. If they didn't care enough to record anything, they must not have done anything of record.

>Mfw I’m a Turk and got “Native American” and “Lakota” on my DNA genetics test.
>mfw I have Central Asian turkmen Siberian Turkish Q haplogroup
>mfw USA is my native land, and injuns are my close cousins
>mfw Allah u ekber, TENGRI forever.

this is total fucking bullshit though.
This part of the world was already colonized by boat, that land bridge bullshit is a kike lie

How the fuck do so many people here know nothing about native history? What are they teaching kids in school these days?

The natives literally don't have a history. The only historic accounts come from what was observed by European settlers.

Without organised agriculture there was never enough surplus calories to make stable settlements. We made advanced written languages for commerce.

Their numbers were regulated by nature. Their history was just like anywhere, the only difference is they had less sophisticated technology.

if my great grandmother was native does that mean I'm part turk

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Not only that but there were many people that lived in Berengia for centuries. Hunting megacreatures and living the good life.
It was all lost

In North America they were hunter gatherers, south and Central America had some large scale societies, but nothing compared to what we have better records of in Europe and Asia.

So no, not really, I’ve never thought much about pre-Columbian American society, any more than I think about cavemen, because they were essentially the same thing.

I heard Ontario was literally a giant corn field or something

where?

Russian Turkologist Lev Gumilyov mentions curious possible Altaic cognates in Sioux languages.

Here's another odd little thing from the Russian sphere too: I read an account of a Russian woman hiking alone across Chukotka a few years ago. She chanced to bump into a man at one point, who she said looked exactly like a Red Indian. On getting to know him a little, it turned out that his father had come to Chukotka from Azerbaijan, and had married a local Chukchi woman.

Really? They did to. Much of it was oral, some recorded in writing, others in art... It was later recorded by Europeans. Later archeologists uncovered more of it (and continue to) that we didn't know.

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In what language was it recorded in writing? Paul Bunion-esque tall tales don't constitute history, either.

I'll concede you cave paintings and leatherworking, but beyond a few mythical based characters from oral tradition historians have no way of recording their existence or their struggles until Europeans showed up and they died off. They've contributed as much to the history of the country as the buffalo and are entitled to the same amount of consideration.

>Believing a land bridge existed

Hey guys i have some Florida swampland for sale

Finally, something I can contribute to Jow Forums
Unlike the fruit basket that is Africa, natives in NA had to use most of the daylight hours in productive labor to ensure their survival over the long winters. Natives had summer and winter locations, but their territories were fiercely guarded, because just as now, land is life. Without land, you die. Genocide was not very efficient, but war and injuries of all kinds were frequent and war never ending. Life was nasty, brutish, and short. Even as late as 1840 with modern conveniences, life often ended by age 40. On excavation sites, healed fractures of natives are very uncommon on the lower extremities in particular. Basically, if you broke your leg, you died. Knife and stone axe bone “scars” (healed bone injuries) are commonly found on human remains.
If you had to spend most of your day just staying alive, you didn’t have time for art, history, or knowledge, apart from information directly related to your own survival. If you ever get a chance, try to spend one single night in any forest without any modern tools or supplies. Anyone who says that survival in the woods (esp north of the Great Lakes) is trivial, has never tried it. Just starting a fire without matches is very challenging for almost everyone, and try sleeping outdoors without modern fabrics or a tent. You soon realize why the levels of violence were unreal. Survival was a full time job with no breaks, no holidays, and no room for error. Any if anyone wanted to take some of your natural resources that might mean death for you or your people, so yeah, you killed the men and kept the women.
TL:DR survival meant violence, constant, unrelenting war, and constant struggle to find enough to eat and shelter from the elements

???
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everglades

unfortunately they seemed to be more concerned with passing on mythical fairy tales rather than actual historical accounts..I wonder why they did this

Yea our people look exactly the same, and people in the US think I’m a Native American. Our art, rug designs, teepees (yurts, and also teepee in Siberia), our hunting methods, traditional music, lots of things.
Yes.

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In that case, Manifest Destiny was just and moral, kebabs should be removed wherever the roaches may be found.

>mythical fairy tales rather than actual historical accounts
In a world of the BBC, holocaust denial legislation and cultural Marxism, those "fairy tales" look a lot better in comparison with what passes for actual history in most cases.

Peyote is some wild shit.

The anthropological history of Asia is still poorly understood.

Google it, moron. Many native societies had written language. Beyond that, art like totem poles were used to record history. Their methods varied. You're either ignorant, or just being Eurocentric for the sake of Jow Forums edginess.

Kek. Without disease, our Turkish warriors in America BTFO’d you. Even your army was in awe of the fighting acumen and spirit of these people, adopting their traditions, names, and trying to learn as much as possible.
This USA is my land and you are an occupying aberration.

not gonna argue with that

Genocide of the indigenous Australoid population by Bering strait invaders.

>Many native societies had written language.

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Those civilizations were relatively late. Here we’re discussing life in the times 2500 years ago and earlier, 2k years before Western contact. Lithic peoples without any metals for most of that time.

You are KARA BOGA

Lots of politics involved, great game Russia/Britain/German/Chinese imperialism too.

Indians were primitive pic related

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>he actually believes in Everglades
I’ve got some ocean front property in California to sell you.

Yeah, cavemen.

Pre-flood refugees (ancient white people) taught them how to civilization. Or at least, as much as they could learn civilization, what being brown and all.

You made the claim, the burden of proof is on you. There is no record of written history because no native tribes ever created a written language. Even the idea of the noble savage comes from a Frenchman, Russo, they were so insignificant they had to steal our memes to prop up a lack of cultural identity.

So not only we wuz injuns, we wuz Prussians now, too?

Then come and take it.

Well Tecumseh Sherman for example, US Military was always in awe of Amerindian fighting ferocity.

It's not that impossible. If we exlude the aliens part. Some people in Anatolia 800 BC built an underground city that could house 20,000 people. It really blows my mind they even got from idea to action. Imagine suggesting today to people that we should dig an underground city. Everyone would think you're insane.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derinkuyu_underground_city

>Chinese
By far the worst. Vast regions of Inner Asia - places of great importance to understanding the ancestry of both the Indo-European, Ugric and Turkic peoples - have been fucked over by these bastards, with the historical data uncovered either destroyed or hidden away.

Well, much like you savages did in Anatolia.

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I could have sworn there were plans to build an inverted pyramid city in Mexico or something.

they are just talking about the Omega Turk resettlement. Happened right after the Finno-Korean Hyperwar.

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here we call them Metis

Look at literally every other US general. This exemption proves the rule.

>There is no record of written history because
>because

Put that word away. Please don't use it again.

That's a really interesting take, are Inuits Norse?

We aren’t the savages in Anatolia though, we cherish and promote Native Anatolian cultures all the time today. From Ataturk’s Anitkabir (built like hittie, Lydian monumental works) to all the funded excavations today (Caria, Lucia, Hittie, Lydia, anything Non Greek).
In truth, Greeks genocided and colonized Anatolia after Iskender, and Anatolians we’re forcibly hellenized, christianized under Romans too. Eventually those rose in revolt and joined the steppe Turks to fight off Christian Grecian tyranny.

>Spoon feed me daddy!
Take the Aztecs for example. They kept business records. They recorded their religion and history with glyphs inscribed on hide, bark, or cut into their architecture. They had a calendar and grasp of astronomy.

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>This USA is my land and you are an occupying aberration.
Accurate portrayal of how current Americans view that
youtube.com/watch?v=mNYRfdnCFCI

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Worst is Anglos, Americans and (lesser now) Russians. Whole game is to deny Turkish Altaic heritage at the center of world history, forment division among Eurasia and Turks.

Look up Apache and special forces history in the US.

I'll watch my grammar more closely when I'm posting on Himalayan beet farming boards, thanks

this all somehow makes everything seem more interesting

This.

I'll watch my grammar more closely when I'm shitposting on Himalayan beet farming boards, thanks

Making those sort of leaps is not scientific. If 3 people needed to wipe their arses more thoroughly the Dark Ages would have no written history at all.

>Literally never. They were part of the ecosystem like the Dodo bird for a while and now they aren't. If they didn't care enough to record anything, they must not have done anything of record.

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Same with all tribal societies, they behaved exactly like we did until we began to unify into larger societies. They fought the shit out of their neighbours, competed for resources, called truces and forged alliances, gradually growing larger as a group along the way.

In the areas where outright inter-tribal warfare was lacking, the Red Indians invented all manner of subtle democides to keep their populations of young men in check. Coming of Age rituals were often deadliest in those prosperous regions, and almost all revolved around weeding out the disobedient. Folks who get misty eyed about their society forget their own would be a utpoia if we could only legally kill 1 in 5 12 year old boys. The positive results are right there for anyone to see, too.

More brutal were/are the Aborigines of Australia, whose Ritual of the Cosmic Kangaroo can wipe out as much as 3 in 5 youths. The boys are ripped from the camp by the older men, force marched into the deep desert where there is a big rock. They are told "whatever happens, don't look behind the rock" and then all sorts of interesting music and singing and cooking begins just of of their field of view. Being dumb boys around the age of 12, loads of them can't help themselves but peek around the rock, whereupon they are bludegeoned to death, and added to the cooking spits. As bizarre and brutal as this seems, it does indeed weed out the disobedient, it keeps the male population in check, and thus maintain law and order in society extremely well. How hard is it to obey one, simple command "don't look"? Well for up to 60% each year, it proves irresistable.

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Europeans systematically, deliberately, and intentionally burned Aztec, Mayan libraries.

Nothing went on, they were LITERALLY useless humans.

Jesus, is that the shit they actually teach you in your madrasas? God help you...

The Greeks and Armenians you exterminated in the 1910s and 1920s were the direct descendants of those ancient people you mention. You are the descendants of their rape babies and their more traitorously inclined brothers. Hellenisation was not forcible in the slightest. The languages survived into the 600s AD, after more than a millennium of Greek rule.

>at the center of world history
Ah, now I see. No Mehmet, Ashina's clan were right on the sidelines, until they seized the opportunity to expand, thanks to how the natives of the region had worn each other out in conflict.

The Indian Wars were generations of border skirmishes where we continually pushed them back and took more land. We never had to use anything like total war against the savages because they were never more than a minor threat.

my local tribe was literally a bunch of niggers that all the other tribes would raid and use them as slave labor.

how do they thank us for freeing them?

getting drunk and being obnoxious as fuck on the regular.

in all honesty I wouldn't have looked behind the rock

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Greek language and Christian religion was forced at swordpoint in Anatolia. And not really, Anatolian Türks are the direct and highest occurrence of Anatolian ancestry today— more than 75%, and your most Anatolian “Greeks” are Karamanli Cappadocians who are really actually Turkopole Christians who spoke Turkish despite being Greek Orthodox and served Byzantine armies in the Seljuk era.

Greek and Roman cultural memory, history, literature all corroborates this. Greeks formed colonies, they weren’t outsiders, who invaded, burned, conquered their way in. Always dealing with rebellious Anatolians, manifesting as armed revolt, constant heresies, immediate alliance to Turks on their arrival, etc.

ataturk was a jewish faggot, keep this in mind when (((accusing the Turks of orchestraing a Jew run genocide)))
>heil salonica!

>Asena clan
Too late bro. Gokturks are not the first Turks and they didn’t just invent the runic Turkic alphabet which also translates into Germanic Runes and Odin is described as a Turk 0.0

>traitorously inclined brothers

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Head a little further south and you'll find plenty of writing and architecture and civilization. The tribes in the North gave that up after settling North America because it was unnecessary to their lifestyle. They could hunt, screw, hunt, smoke, sleep, and screw all they wanted. Who needs writing when you have it all and have nothing to say?

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Fighting skill and man on man combat was appreciated.

It was literally the tutorial for any survival game ever, but it lasted thousands of years.

Imagine playing Civilization and moving your caravan back and forth until Abraham Lincoln nukes you.

Were outsiders*

Yeah, there's no way South America was completely populated by land migration from a land bridge alone. It seems probable that seafaring cultures could have followed the coasts and traveled much faster and farther.

He was a Yoruk Turk. He looks like Yoruks, they exist today, he has relatives.

says the faggot who probably never tripped and couldnt handle it if they did.

Not once did i ever hallucinate as bad as fucking idiots like yourself talk about. I will never get people who speak as if they have a clue but have none at all, I work with pathetic failure losers like yourself who will swear they can do something and theyre good at it but cant

Tough trip through paradise is one of the few extensive and unbiased first hand accounts of what thier day to day life was like. Guy was one of the first whites in what is now Montana and he ended up going native for about a decade. Describes basically constant devious violent and dishonest behavior, and how the males basically constantly abuse the women. Talks about the braves leaving to go gamble, raid for horses, and fight eachother and the women and children having nothing to eat the entire time. He talks about indian attitudes towards stealing, nameley that if you werent strong or smart enough to avoid it being stolen then it basically wasnt yours. Also brutal violence that they exhibited almost all the time against everyone including thier own wives and children.

Guy did have a good word about a few remarkable individuals he met, but largley regarded that the natives were not very pleasant people. He lived exactly as they did for over a decade, and acknowledges that he ended up exhibiting all of these behaviors himself after a time.

Also, his first hand account is interesting because all of the actually decent ones he meets end up dying brutal and horrible deaths. He spends about 100 pages talking about how awesome his indian wife is before a long break, then comes back to report that she was bludgeoned in the head by a rifle and came back into camp on her horse dazed with her skull caved in and her brains dribbling out of her skull and lingers a long painful week before dying in his arms. He then decides to move out of indian country and rejoin white societey since nobody actually worthwhile in the indian tribes ever live long enough to mean anything.

Considering that every culture asked said that they had arrived by boat... yeah, most likely they were seafarers rather than landbridge crossers.

Bla bla, the Eastern Roman Empire had plenty of Caesars from these "oppressed" natives, like the Isaurians.
>Turkic alphabet which also translates into Germanic Runes
Oh, you're a retard, sorry.

probably followed the coast of the land bridge in boats. Not exactly seafarers, but kind of a combination of the two.

b but some other tribes were better r right?

Giants with red hair. Fearsome cannibals. The natives warred against these beings. Also, look up MT. Graham.