Why do we find it acceptable that the low level worker doing admittedly low skill work can often skirt the poverty line yet the people at the top make some PHAT bonuses? I know there is often discussion about how much the executives or upper level often has to invest time and money into an education that gets them there but we also know that often the conditions of workers (hours worked, stress incurred from demands, etc) all lead to poorer health outcomes, with no thought for matching that pay disparity.
I know some of you might say "well they shouldn't be in that work in the first place" or "they should be doing things to improve their skillset in the meantime to find better jobs/pay elsewhere", but lets be honest not everyone has that opportunity. Furthermore, while I can see a future (doubtful if automation can become useful enough to dominate) where the young population is doing what is considered low skilled work and transition into better jobs later, currently that is not happening.
Just wanted the Jow Forums brains to give me a reasonable answer before the "fucking communist shill" rolls in. I know that wasn't the most articulate way to convey what I mean
Which rich Jewish CEO should we target? Zuckerberg? Bezos? Schmidt?
Henry Moore
I don't. Practically all increase in effeciency or productivity in the last 50 years has gone into the pockets of people who have generated literally none of it. Fuck kleptocracy.
Im not looking to target anyone in particular, more of a broader shifting in business paradigms and maybe worker's protections. I have no interest in taking someone's money and redistributing it.
My poorly worded post also missed another thing; If there are bonuses of x value available to be paid to certain high level employees such as the executive board, then why does that company not have the ability to provide a living wage to its lowest of employees. It seems a bit unreasonable that those paid the least often put in ton of hours only to look forward to: poor pension, health and sometimes trickling down all that to the next generation.
Im gonna keep that for future reference. What is the solution?
James Martinez
I dont normally give a fuck what someone else makes. I do care however why my money is being continually eroded by my govt which claims to actually give a fuck about people and their economic situation
Carter Myers
toilet washers and dish washers should be paid millions of dollars, so rich people start realizing it's not right to enslave each other and do our own chores.
clean my own toilet or pay you millions to do it? this is how you can restore civility to the world. the world affords its own evil wickedness and slavery and doesn't care. godless, lawless pieces of saturn.
Connor Ramirez
There's only one solution: introduce basic income to create a consumer class and reward those who want to work. Meritocracy here we come
Carson Ortiz
Never suggested they be payed the same, I am speaking of the bonuses employees of a corporation don't receive, especially when they have literally more than enough money to provide a living wage for the work the lowest skilled workers are doing. While I wouldn't give my toilet washer that kind of money, I would strive to ensure they don't have to worry about rent and food. We are placing a bigger burden on the healthcare system by paying these people less, it literally costs us more to NOT pay them their dues.
When you say basic income are you referring to a UBI ? How do you deal with say cost of living and goods rising as people's wages go up? For example, everyone now has $x dollars guaranteed by the UBI, what happens when all retailers and merchants of products or landlords raise prices by a certain amount to simply match that?
Oliver Peterson
Stupid leafposter. Its not the govts job to guarantee a “living wage” whatever the fuck that means. You are basically asking how the government can solve a problem the government created and its exactly why north america is in the bureaucratic mess its in right now
Brody Wright
Never mentioned governments have to do it, Im just asking why this problem is allowed to exist and what can be done about it. Stop straw manning me. Typical burger doesn't read.
Jace Hughes
Here is a wiki image that sums up what I mean, should have been my OP pic.
The premise of your OP says that we as individuals are allowing something a company is doing is wrong, and how we shouldnt let someones wages cross an imaginary line. Thats bullshit, if we really want to allow people to enjoy the fruits of their labor, then we should relax building codes and eliminate income taxes
Samuel Butler
This is exactly the problem with the UBI. there is no way to do it without also controlling prices. It does no good for the govt to send me a $1000 check only for my rent to go up $1000.
UBI requires socialized housing. At that point, it's pretty much communist
Jose Thomas
Why would relaxing building codes and eliminating income taxes increase wages of employees from a company paying minimum wage? The income tax goes into social services for the worker, sometimes they even need it. The recent example of Amazon workers in some states being on food stamps is an example. Not every company is as rich as Amazon or Bezos, I know, however I FEEL, not know, that something about this system could use some reformation.
Andrew Jones
Maybe if private enterprise wasn't under so much stress from the government+fortune 500 cartel, they could divert would-be tax money into wages and benefits. It would be in an employer's best interest anyways, as employees would rather work for a company that provides benefits. The reason why it's harder to give out those benefits is because the corporate cartel doesn't provide all the necessary business but because of laws essentially embezzling money to the cartel, smaller business can not afford benefits and are no competition to the large Government+Corporate gang.
Samuel Murphy
The more real world intelligence you have, the more certain it will be that you are successful. Sure, some rich people are rich out of sheer luck, but a majority of rich people could lose everything and pick themselves back up. They have the “know how”. And it’s not so much intelligence , as it is sheer willpower. A lot of poor people are poor because they don’t appreciate time. Time is so precious. You have no idea. There is so little time in each day. Most people get done with work and that’s it for the day. They check-out mentally and physically. Sheer will power keeps you working after work. Everyone should have a job and a hobby, a hobby that is capitalizable. And you need to stop doing nothing. There is not enough time in the day for you to “relax”. Relax when you’re legs don’t work anymore.
Adrian Gutierrez
I am not making the argument that those who became rich for the most part aren't intelligent, I agree with you that those people have the willpower and know how. I also agree alot of people who are poor are poor because they dont appreciate time. That being said lot of them don't have the time to pursue other avenues for mental and physical well being on the account of being impoverished or a low income earner. Someone has to fill those shoes till automation can replace them and until then they ought to be allowed to make a living wage that would help facilitate pursuing "capitalizable hobbies". Then again maybe I am being naive but you can't deny socioeconomic conditions do determine alot of factors such as health outcomes or psychological well-being
Lucas Mitchell
I would full-heatedly disagree. I think poor people have plenty of times to pursue hobbies. The hobbies they can choose from is where they are limited. I see this all of the time. People bitching about the economy and how they can’t make enough money to survive. Yet what do they do when they get off work? They go sit on the couch. Having kids is no excuse. Everybody gots kids these days. Get them involved with your hobby.
Sebastian Bell
It's acceptable because the workers consent to those jobs with those pay levels (ignoring all of the effects government intervention has, but that's a different discussion).
Let's assume it's not acceptable. What's your solution to the problem?
Ayden Reed
Because people at the top were smart enough to create a business instead of listening to the propaganda throughout their life that the job of whites is to do menial labor for kikes and chinks. Leafs seem to be especially prone to the retarded mindset that being self-employed makes you an oppressor.
I dont have one, I am here to see what other's might be proposing for solutions
Jace Flores
Market disfunction.
Adrian Cook
Workers have no power or rights without union or government intervention.
With excessive union or government backing business suffers.
Therefore an appropriate level of government and union intervention is ideal.
Where the worker skirts poverty and starvation there is not enough. Where wealth disparity is too great there is not enough. Where profitable business flee there is not enough. Where successful businesses are driven to bankrupty by foreign competition there is not enough.
