The Russian Government is bad for humanity.
Prove me wrong.
HARDMODE: No whataboutism.
The Russian Government is bad for humanity
Aaron Moore
Adrian Reed
u r gay
Mason Wilson
How can a government with a member this pure be evil?
Jack Cox
fpbd
I want to hear what she thinks about stuff.
Ian Howard
Fucking up US heroin trafficking routes, US backed terrorists, and US designs on Caspian Oil is inherently good. Whataboutism is retarded because the US does bad things and Russia doesn't.
Dominic Rogers
I don't know much about her politics, other than she was a Crimean prosecutor that became a Russian prosecutor during the annexation. She also loves Tsar Nicholas. Like, loves him to the point that it's autistic, a husbando type thing.
Michael Wilson
>Whataboutism is retarded because the US does bad things and Russia doesn't.
>and Russia doesn't.
DINDU NUFFIN
Jaxon King
They have improved the quality of life in Russia it is better now than during the neoliberal Yeltsin years.
Putin is trying to repair Russia and we should support that. Also they are preventing Israel from destroying secular rulers in the Middle East like Assad who protect religious minorities
Chase Diaz
Cool?
Connor Ward
I feel bad for Russia. Soviet Union was a fucking powerhouse, Russia is just its shadow. One day it'll be great again.
Nolan Wright
Putin is a plastic monster.
Nicholas Allen
Pretty sure it's makeup
Cameron Taylor
China didn't collapse with them
John Clark
They destroyed Nazism and Communism on their own. How impressive is that?
John Morris
> meme flag
> wants a serious discussion
/pol is dying and it’s kinda funny
Nathan Ward
>No whataboutism.
Fuck off, Jamie.
Brandon Wilson
so funny to see how American "conservatives" suddenly love Russia after Russia started bombarding them with messaging strategy in 2014.
Remember when Republicans were mocking Democrats in 2012 for not taking the threat of Russia serious enough? But now Russia pays the people you trust and pays shills to pretend to be your friend anonymously online and now you love them!
They've spent millions targeting Americans with climate science denial propaganda because they are planning on it fundamentally exacerbating the collapse of free societies in the west.
You can hate America, doesn't make Russia somehow better. They're a totalitarian oligarchical dictatorship that is at war against your mind. They're doing to you what the US does to terrorists-to-be in the middle east.
>Soviet Union was a fucking powerhouse,
No it wasn't. It collapsed under its own dysfunction. It survived on having an antagonist to keep it's people distracted with (and all the genocide).
>Putin is trying to repair Russia and we should support that.
No he's trying to make the west collapse and ensure global warming so that they can drill in the arctic and get more port cities and more farmable land as sea levels and temperature rises.
His goal is to make your people destroy your future. Why should "we" support that?
>Also they are preventing Israel from destroying secular rulers in the Middle East like Assad who protect religious minorities
How do all you Russian shills get US geographic locations?
Eli Kelly
Pretty impressive really desu
Landon Myers
Fucken meme flag fuck off
Adrian Gonzalez
You can ask her on twitter. She just got active again and responded to me a couple times.
Cameron Stewart
What kind of stuff did you talk about with her?
Owen Robinson
Tsar stuff probably
Nathan Wilson
>They have improved the quality of life in Russia it is better now than during the neoliberal Yeltsin years.
This doesn't mean much though. Yeltsin years were immediately after their entire economic system collapsed. Like Putin took over in their soft coup meme and created an oligarchical plunderbund. He's likely the richest person in the world. And his faffing about in Ukraine and all the sanctions that came as a result plunged Russia's economy into the toilet. Putin is doing great but the Russian people are largely as fucked now as they've ever been.
Cooper Smith
Bentley James
>blanket statement
>HARDMODE: don't call me on my hypocritical bullshit or I shall smite thee for m'lady with a buzzword
Xavier Jenkins
Russia= bad for Israel :)
haaretz.com
Hunter Morales
appeals to hypocrisy are fallacies. Essentially everyone is a hypocrite. Tyrants and dictators use appeals to hypocrisy in the same way that religions use original sin to control the minds and messaging of anyone that may want to critically interact with them.
>or I shall smite thee for m'lady with a buzzword
It's not really a buzzword it's a well established political messaging concept. It's also famously Russian. It wasn't until the US war on terror and that it became "acceptable" for Americans in rational society to use playground rhetoric to justify their malignant behavior.
When you use whataboutism you are acting disingenuously. You are not acting from a place of intellectual truth. You are ceding that you have no rational argument and are choosing instead to throw shit and bicker like a child.
The people you trust want you to kill your self.
Jonathan Morris
She just asks questions of her followers like where we're from or whatever.
Cooper Thompson
Why exactly?
Nathaniel Peterson
Their underlying global philosophy is that your country must fail for them to prosper. They are diametrically opposed to your success and engaged in an active campaign to destroy democracy in the west. They want your economic system to collapse, and with that collapse there will be more avoidable deaths and more restrictions of human rights going into the future. This is bad for humanity.
Zachary Wood
Trump is good for Israel. Trump is good for Russia. The Middle East being in turmoil is good for Russia. Brings the cost of oil down.
Russia is often working with Israeli messaging agencies in their attack on the West. They have similar vested interests in the future projection of humanity. But like every other dictatorship they also benefit from agitating their followers against an outsider boogieman, and they promote any means to radicalize Americans against each other, so of course they flame you faggots with le spoopy jews memes mostly because it's easy.
But they aren't fellow travelers. They like Israel and want it to survive much more than your country.
David Howard
could be worse, could be israel and its bitch
Wyatt Moore
Putin is literally doing this though. And Netanyahu loves Trump because he's an impotent pushover cuck whose policies will allow the Israelis to further step on the Palestinians balls.
Russia hates the Saudis because they can tank Russia's economy just by NOT limiting production of oil (as they did in 2014). They see Israel as a fundamental means to destabilize and disrupt one of their most powerful oil competitors.
Brandon Peterson
>what is oil and gas
Carson Bell
As if "whataboutism" is a bad thing when calling it out is a form of tu quoque itself.
Isaiah Edwards
Deals with corruption pretty much everywhere besides parliment, simply so Putin can stay in power, promotes family, faith and nation. Russia has a future worth waiting for, the west dosn't beacuse the west does not promote faith, nation and family. It promotes McDonalds, Gucci and degeneracy.
Owen Phillips
Or he gained a bit of weight.
John Sanders
russian government hates fags and feminists
fags and feminists are bad for humanity
therefore rusgov is good for humanity
Hunter Sanchez
>russians are part of humanity
>vova wants to return russia to russians
>vova runs the russian government
>russian government is good for russians
>russian government is good for humanity
I heard their GDP is going up too. What's not to like?
Brody King
>The people you trust want you to kill your self
>trust
>kill yourself
Blackpills 4 murder-suicide~!
Jace Walker
Putin has only a fraction if what the Rothchild family has
And the Oligarchy was established under Yeltsin, not Putin
Justin Lewis
>Deals with corruption
It's more corrupt now than it was in the 90s and it doesn't have a future if they keep relying on oil and gas. In order to make it big they need to focus more on socioeconomic, scientific development and open their market.
Putin also once said in the 90s, before presidency, that having an authoritarian government will lead be a more comfortable way of living in the start but after awhile that authoritarian "iron fist" will start to strangle its nation, an idea at the time he didn't like. But now it's 2018 and he has become that iron fist that he opposed.
Noah Wilson
Russia will be the white man's haven once the US of A collapses under (((their))) influence.
Daniel Reyes
>As if "whataboutism" is a bad thing
It essentially always is. it's what you do in place of honest rhetoric.
>when calling it out is a form of tu quoque itself.
Fallacy fallacy. There is no need to engage with someone's rhetoric when it is done in bad faith and designed to pivot away from the actual subject. The existence of other assholes doesn't justify why you choose to be an asshole.
If I say "hey it's fucked up about how you're killing millions of people in purges and gulags," and you say "and you are lynching negroes," you're still killing millions of people in purges and gulags, you've now just changed the subject away from that. The idea that it's a fallacy NOT to engage with fallacy is fallacy. It's a form of passive lying.
It's what you do when you know you don't have an actual argument to justify to yourself why you support the things you do.
>russian government hates fags and feminists
Eh they love fags and feminists. They prop them up to keep their agitated population distracted against each other instead of at their government. Dictatorship 101 shit.
>fags and feminists are bad for humanity
why haven't you killed yourself then?
>therefore rusgov is good for humanity
It's funny how easily nedercucks can be manipulated by Russians. What's it like to be such a pathetic faggot?
Incorrect.
Aiden Morris
>Russia
>White
Connor Jackson
>This doesn't mean much though.
For the Russians, sure it does. I mean, you (((merchants))) would love to see a liberal government in Russia and have done everything possible to that end, yet the Russian people still electing Putin. In b4 "muh rigged elections".
Blake Allen
>(((humanity)))
Goys aren't human. Oy vey.
Virgin Khazar always afraid of Chad Russian.
Lincoln Gray
Don't forget that many Israelites come from based Russia.
Jayden Ross
Humanity is bad for humanity.
Camden Bell
>>As if "whataboutism" is a bad thing
>It essentially always is. it's what you do in place of honest rhetoric.
Spouting John Oliver talking points to deflect from your blatant hypocrisy isn't "honest rhetoric".
Sebastian Reyes
>The existence of other assholes doesn't justify why you choose to be an asshole.
That other asshole shouldn't accuse the other asshole for doing the same thing. It's just a double-standard since it pivots away the criticism from you to another entity.
Conclusion: Both parts are fucking retarded for accusing each other for doing similar things.
Jack Wilson
whos more of a threat to the world stage if they have their sights on you, USA or Russia?
think we all know of you were country X, you would rather have Israels bellhop Russia after you then Israels bruiser USA
Gavin Carter
>For the Russians, sure it does.
You mean that population of people that have been bombarded with 100+ years of cutting edge totalitarian messaging strategy designed to make them complacent and supportive of their exploitation?
A lot of stupid shit means a lot of things for Russians.
> I mean, you (((merchants))) would love to see a liberal government in Russia
Do you think that Russia is a "conservative" government?
> yet the Russian people still electing Putin. In b4 "muh rigged elections".
It's not a democracy. They kill and poison the opposition and journalists AND stuff the ballots. It's a goof.
>In b4 "muh rigged elections".
Saying inb4 doesn't negate basic history you stupid faggot. It's funny that a Mexican gook would be a shill for the Russians, considering how much they're using your existence to agitate Americans towards violence. They want you to fucking die you dumb cunt.
Henry Hernandez
I like how BASIC ANTI-COMMUNISM is now somehow a John Oliver meme. How fucked is it that fucking liberals get to be the face for "basic adherance to American values and rejection of communist messaging strategy??"
What in the fuck happened to your mind? Why do you trust communists? Why don't you care about greater principals of intellectual truth and integrity?
Why don't you feel like the nigger communist you unambiguously choose to be?
Samuel Wood
>That other asshole shouldn't accuse the other asshole for doing the same thing.
You're still an asshole you impotent faggot. You'll still always be a contemptuous nigger and an unambiguous communist.
And most people aren't actually assholes. Most Americans weren't lynching negroes, while Stalin's purges were a systematic government policy to kill millions of people.
Even if you want to tell yourself that appeals to hypocrisy aren't cancer for losers without an argument, it's still a cartoonish false equivalence.
>It's just a double-standard
Cucks cry about double-standard because that's all you know how to do. You have no grasp on why logic and good faith rhetoric matters. As long as you can pivot away from self-critical reflection about your side you can tell yourself you're "winning" when all you really did was change the subject and lash out!
William Powell
>hiding behind a memeflag
Jeremiah Thomas
>not being a retard is a russian plot
Daniel Barnes
>Most Americans weren't lynching negroes, while Stalin's purges were a systematic government policy to kill millions of people.
Nobody said anything about negroes and gulags, I am talking about current times and not about the past, that doesn't matter anymore. You asked about the Russian government and not the Soviet, don't derail.
>You have no grasp on why logic and good faith rhetoric matters.
Neither does the counter-part apparently.
Conclusion: Both parts are still retarded.
Aaron Miller
>whos more of a threat to the world stage if they have their sights on you, USA or Russia?
Russia. Unambiguously. They are banking on ensuring that global warming and bad economic policy causes the west to collapse so that Russia and the east can seize control of the globe by the 22nd century. They aren't interested in bettering humanity or seeing the world develop positively going into the future of the internet age, they are heavily invested in ensuring that your country and economy fails so that they can take advantage of and exploit you in the future.
If you want to say that the US is "as bad" that's fine. Doesn't make Russia good. It just makes you someone that chooses to self-destruct to benefit someone that wants you to self-destruct. The US has been GREAT for Australian prosperity the last 100 years. It built a global economic system around cooperation and combined economic strength, a system in which Australia and her allies have done pretty well. You think a future managed by the gooks and their Russian oligarchy attack dogs will be better or worse for Australia?
You think Australia's economy will do better or worse as temperatures get even fucking hotter and more inhospitable?
Whataboutism is fundamentally retarded. It's playground rules for faggot kids and disingenuous knownothing niggers that want to argue but only know how to fight.
But yeah, you unironically acting like a sniveling nigger communist with an American flag next to your name is essentially THE Russian plot. You're an unwitting shill for your own destruction. Fucking retard.
>Nobody said anything about negroes and gulags,
en.wikipedia.org
The Russians sure did. It's kind of the foundation for the entire Russian whataboutist messaging strategy they adopted in under Stalinism.
>I am talking about current times
History repeats itself you dumb fucking faggot.
Nathaniel Brown
says the one with the memeflag
Connor Murphy
>"The Russians"
Stalin and his puppets.
I am talking about current issues but you are stuck in the past tearing up old scars. Stay on topic. What you seem to miss is that we are on the same side except when it comes to whataboutism. You need to calm down, you fanatic.
Kayden Moore
>I am talking about current issues but you are stuck in the past tearing up old scars.
No. Whataboutism IS STALINISM. It's what people do to justify unjust acts conducted by dictatorships.
>Stay on topic.
Whataboutism is Russian. Using it is passive lying. It's a means to fight and obfuscate when you don't actually have an argument. It's a form of mind control that keeps you from too much critical self-reflection. It's important to understand the context of it's function in history to understand how and why it isn't something that rational or truthful people do. It's bad faith nigger shit for losers.
>What you seem to miss is that we are on the same side except when it comes to whataboutism.
No. You're in a fucking cult that thrives on reinforcing the idea that everyone else also feels as conflicted about the retarded shit they shill for as you do. It's how you deflect away from your own cognitive dissonance.
>You need to calm down, you fanatic.
You need to literally jump off a tall building you impotent communist cuck. Nobody will mind your absence.
Cameron Reed
how many countries has russia bombed this millennium?
and how many as america?
Jonathan Stewart
Kek why am I a communist exactly, Mr Memeflag? Whataboutsim works both ways, not only against communism.
Benjamin Jackson
>how many countries has russia bombed this millennium?
A lot.
>and how many as america?
A lot.
Existence of other assholes doesn't justify being an asshole.
How much is Russia spending on normalizing self-destruction and radicalizing in westerners in an effort to make their culture collapse? Billions and billions.
They want your society to fail. And the means to make that happen is to agitate and manipulate you against your own people until you make it happen for them.
>Kek why am I a communist exactly, Mr Memeflag?
If you walk like a duck and squawk like a duck, you're a faggot communist.
> Whataboutsim works both ways
It works for people that want to fight but don't have an argument. It works for people that want to justify and defend a hostile dictatorship. It works on dipshit safespace niggers like (you).
Isaiah Gray
I'd like a source on the stuff you've been saying about climate change, but for a anti-russian shill you are relatively spot on.
Leo Morgan
>If you walk like a duck and squawk like a duck
Eh you had such nice buildup in your previous posts but you lost me now with this nonsensical one. It always ends the same with you overly-aggresive people, it's not even fun to argue with you after awhile.
I'm done. I won, you lost.
Lucas Miller
Russia has the same exact problem that America has. Corrupt, minority rule that is drastically out of step with the liberal majority. Prepare for a revolution.
Ayden Long
Decembrist revolt 2.0 inc
Sebastian Bell
>is bad for humanity.
>for humanity.
What does that even mean?
Christopher Edwards
putyin has best poison
Wyatt Cook
The population of Russia consists of 80% of Slavs so if you count Slavs as whites (memes aside, Slavs indeed white) so you safe to say that Russia is white country.
William Powell
Julian Davis
Russian government is full of kikes and kike puppets. Most of the Russian people will enjoy seeing these rats and their offspring butchered in most gruesome ways, but after reading my post you suddenly love Russian government - you arent some nazi, are you?
Owen Perry
No government is good for humanity. All governments are immoral.
Joshua Walker
>Eh you had such nice buildup in your previous posts but you lost me now with this nonsensical one.
sorry to translate that into your gooksprecht, the "walk like a duck" expression is what is called an idiom I guess. The meaning is that, by using the famously communist political messaging strategy of whataboutism, you are walking and squawking like a communist, and then acting offended that someone would suggest you are one. If you walk and squawk like a duck, don't be surprised if someone mistakes you for one.
>It always ends the same with you overly-aggresive people
Yeah you act like a disingenuous loser that has been conditioned not to know how to think rationally. There is no need to "tolerate" irrational nonsense from people that refuse to make a good faith effort in their own internal logical guidelines. How the fuck can you interpret data and perceive reality when you reflexively whatabout away from logic and meaningful reflection?
>it's not even fun to argue with you after awhile.
You aren't arguing. Whataboutism is not an argument. It's "not fun" because you're acting like a fucking knownothing child that was trained wrong on purpose by people that don't care if you fail.
>I'm done.
You never actually did anything though.
>I won, you lost.
No you muddied the waters and acted offended. That's the beauty of whataboutism. You didn't really have to put forward a counter-argument or accomplish anything other than bickering and then you can bow out and tell yourself you "won" something.
What the fuck did you win? What even could you win?
If it's ultimately only "us versus time" in the grand scheme of things, how much have you already lost here? Or much will you continue to lose?
Alexander Perry
Levi Gutierrez
Cooper Rogers
Aaron Peterson
I mean shit if we want to just bump this thread that's ok with me.
Your qt meme pics aren't an argument. Your active self-censorship is a conditioned aspect of the mental illness you've been trained to normalize and internalize.
You have mind cancer and you likely will for the rest of your life.
It's not your fault.
Parker Scott
a large portion of humanity is about to collapse after they have been pacified for the last century, with burgers, coca cola, drugs, sex, degeneracy and handouts
Russians survived their collapse and are decades ahead of the west