Russia Abuses OSCE in Ukraine

Because the people of Ukraine should have peace as much as anyone in Vladivostok. Or is that a mistake?

>people of Ukraine should have peace
Not my job man.

Ahh, Yuri, what would you offer as a source for OSCE news?

Then don't. Have fun drinking your screwdrivers for breakfast and stay out of the region.

They would if they really wanted it, but since they want to have it the hard way... Well, their choice.

I've been on Twitter long enough to know that Ukrainian shills are a real thing.

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You mean that there are people who don't live in Russia and still have an interest in Ukraine? Are you suggesting that nobody from Ukraine is allowed to use the internet?

Here is another.

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>if they really wanted it
And by "really wanting it" you mean, "if they would just bow to Moscow"?

osce.org/special-monitoring-mission-to-ukraine/399341
fucking dumbass

So, am I to then ignore that Russians are capable of using proxies? Or that there are Russians in the US who may have divided loyalties?

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>people who don't live in Russia and still have an interest in Ukraine?

I followed it very closely until I realized I was being played. The media was trying to manipulate the US into another military intervention.

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Well, they could at least try to negotiate a compromise. Negotiating is the first step to success. Being stubborn won't get you anywhere.

>The media was trying to manipulate the US into another military intervention.
Maybe, but I never saw Obama as ever pushing that idea, quite the opposite. But that doesn't change the situation for the people in the Ukraine who are dealing with weapons and soldiers from a foreign power.

You mean, like, join us in a national election? I think they did try that and were literally beat up and killed for it.
It's a great idea, let's have them join the elections!

>I never saw Obama as ever pushing that idea
Of course not because whenever he found anything out it was in the news paper just like us so he claims. How much TV coverage did CNN dedicate to all the bombs dropped on Libya? Almost nothing. >the people in the Ukraine who are dealing with weapons and soldiers from a foreign power.
So what. Its nice not to have Russia in our backyard.

Join who in a national election? Who was beat up and killed?

this idiot thinks he knows _everything_ about Ukrainian conflict
youtube.com/watch?v=kSx8HJfBl7U

go back to plebbid, pls

Have the people in Donetsk Ukraine vote for the elected officials of Ukraine instead of letting roughians and outside military forces refusing to let the area participate. As you said, Compromise.

You mean I'm responding to comments in the thread I started? Thank you Lithuania, you're sure more likely to know everything as well. Say hi to Finland for me, and have a herring sandwich, mkay?

shut the fuck up
watch that 5 hour video
realize you're on the wrong side of history
and stop posting dumb shit on Jow Forums

I don't really think Russia forces Donetsk to fight for independence, there is influence, but you can't really force a region into something of that sort. Yet, since you are Ukrainian, I guess I can put it differently.
I'm not arguing about the justification of the conflict, that doesn't have any meaning in the current political climate, I see a problem and try to find a way to resolve it. You guys have been trying to get it your way for 4 years and what has it brought? Death, hatred and destruction. I don't mean its your fault entirely, but it should be clear at this point that a military operation won't solve the problem. What you need to do is at least try to form a dialogue with Moscow, because I'm sure Putin isn't too fond of the conflict as well. An autonomy might be a solution, for example. Its not the best one, but at least its a peaceful resolution. Or you can as well spend another 4 years killing each other for no reason.

>don't know what you expected from some rebels in an open war conflict
Not much to be expected. That's true, they are rebels. Perhaps Urkaine could offer to purchase these Ukrainian born rebels some property in Russia where they will be happier? Maybe some nice farm land or a modern 3 bedroom in Ussurisky?

OSCE is useless. They're a pointless organization that has to keep its mouth shut lest they run afoul of the political establishments that foot their paycheck.
They just show up to any area of shelling, take some measurements, question a local or two and then compile a report that promptly goes down the memory hole because nobody actually has any reason to look at it.
Occasionally they'll also give an interview where they'll be too scared to say anything of substance lest they anger the US by inadvertently admitting that the Ukrainian military frequently fires on civilians and violates the Minsk accord by bringing tanks into the DMZ.
It's all a fucking joke and the only thing that really matters is the realpolitik behind the conflict.

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err, Ussuriysk

If you really are Ukrainian, you should know why this isn't an option. I can think of at the very least 4 reasons.

>can't really force
No, but you can deceive them into thinking that there's a holomodor coming their way.
>you are Ukrainian
not for 100 years, and not even most of me
>a military operation won't solve the problem
Chechnya would probably disagree, but yes, that sort of violence isn't what anyone should want.
>An autonomy
I already think Ukraine should be autonomous to make its own choices. If you mean the region of Ukraine, I will have to hear more about this first before I could say personally. Would OSCE be the group to help sustain that?

Ok, let's hear 4 reasons why rebels who have actively desired to give their territory to another nation wouldn't be happier in that nation? I'm listening.

>kyievpost

Cuckraine media about Russia is like CNN about Drumpf

Saged for hohol shilling

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>OSCE
I bet Soros is backing them

hohol shilling? is that what you do when you recognize that the communists were quite willing to starve whole nations out of existence? or is that what you do when you're hoping to keep your genocide as the focus of the world to protect your failing reputation as a dangerous nation? The only danger germany is certain to offer is sand-nigger, you don't even buy your basic level weapons, you let the US cover your whole defense budget.

>No, but you can deceive them
Never argued with that
>Chechnya would probably disagree
That's a prime example of a military operation failure
>autonomy
I meant an autonomy for Donetsk and Lugansk regions. Its not an independence, but an ability to make some key decisions for itself while being a part of the country.

Quite possibly meme-flag. But who is backing you?

>That's a prime example of a military operation failure
Yes, the chechnians definitely fucked up.

1. They have been born there and love this land. Would you like to be forcefully misplaced?
2. That would cost an enormous amount of money for Ukraine, because land, accommodations, transport etc.
3. Moscow wouldn't be happy with such a solution for obvious reasons.
4. Local political leaders would be against it for obvious reasons.
5. That would be impossible since that would require a unanimous consent of millions of people.

How did they fuck up exactly?

Are you saying that Putin made a mistake in leveling the cities? I would be surprised to hear this view, perhaps you are correct, I will rethink this.

Thats a controversial issue, there are pros and cons to both options. What I'm saying is - Chechens have won much more than they had gambled for.

1. What is to be said, they have killed their own.
2. I don't think you're going to move the entire population, I don't think the entire population agrees with leaving Urkaine. Otherwise I think it would have been a much larger front. I think there are men and women who were afraid Urkaine was going to kill them for being Russians, and not a few who were just Russians traveling to Ukraine to have a chance to fight. In any event, the leadership and high officers would be the ones given residence on the Pacific, close enough to travel to Shanghai by train for vacation, and in a land where everyone has the same love for Russia.
3. I can't imagine why, they are clearly hard working men and women, some of them now well trained in security, many of them also coal miners, and eastern development is still a useful thing for Russia.
4. I don't know, I would assume those who actively backed violence against their mother nation would want to take the opportunity to leave that nation, instead of staying somewhere they don't like.
5. Again, not the whole of the population, most of them are simply trapped.

You really are the US, aren't you. Well, in that case I'd advice you to focus on the 3rd and 4th reasons I've presented, mainly the 3rd. Try to look deeper into that and you'll discover that's one of the key issue of the conflict.

Oh, and one more thing. Ukrainian government doesn't entirely want it to end it either for the same reason as #4.

I still don't understand. You'd get hard working Russian speaking men and women ready to move to a peaceful land where they could literally build new cities and help the nation they clearly love. I'd be setting up the county boundaries as we speak if I had that chance.

The other option is a war destroyed, already mostly de-industrialized area where you already have access to the primary waterway and plenty of crossing points. And since, if I understand you correctly, the territory would be under guardianship of the Ukraine as a limited autonomy, it wouldn't be a given thing that you could get support from them in any fashion.

You've got a valley out there on the Amur, between a place called Хaбapoвcк and Кoмcoмoльcк-нa-Aмype that is begging to be harvested and farmed for thousands of years. And you have strong men available.