Global Warming isn't real. Change my mind

>PEAK OIL 2008

Same year this Muslim Terrorist became president. How about that?

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It might be very real. But we tend to balk against it because it is primarily used as a means of control over us, the common rabble. The big 'save our climate' advocates still fly around the world in private jets and nobody has a real answer to the growing needs of Asia and Africa. Instead of being honest about it and proposing real solutions, politicians make up stupid rules about 'buying' CO2 emission certificates, cutting down countless square miles of land for 'biofuel' and jerk each other off at climate conventions, while preaching about the greatness and inevitability of globalisation. But it is this very globalisation that drives our energy demands in the first place.

In short: whether it is real or not doesn't matter. You won't change anything about it on your own and advocates of change have ulterior motives.

Picture of a polar bear on melting ice =/= global warming

Peak oil happens 2020

>1950

Nobody claimed it was. That picture does effectively claim that a single ice core from the Greenland ice sheet tells you what the past global temperatures were. Try to be a little less of a retard next time.

>it's humans fault

Alright you disingenuous pieces of shit. When humanity figures something out, they use it to destroy their neighbors and rape their resources. Any control we had would have strategically used to cause global warming in areas we would've wanted to collapse, and given ourselves endless summers... If we knew what the fuck were were doing with it, or even had an iota of real control. We would snipe people with lightning, drop category 5's on ports regularly until the nation plays ball, and turned deserts into forests to cut down. We'd change the seasons at the whimsy of those in control of the technology, which would probably be the rich.

We have control of our *personal habitats.* Our built shelters. Even with those, it's a constant fight trying to keep them maintained, fueled, and functional against what nature does all on its own. To think we could do anything on a scale that could cause the "entire planet" to do this is utter overconfidence in the scale of human capacity.

What you are bitching about is the slow realization that humanity has no say in this matter, your personal shelter is forfeit because it's in a shitty spot at a shitty time, and the changes the planet are undergoing naturally we are woefully undeveloped for. Now, "we're scared" our shelters aren't going to hold up, and rushing a solution to "control the planet's weather" won't work. Mainly, because to actually shift the weather into something favorable for humans, you'd have to change the Sun's effects on our planet, and more importantly, the orbit of the moon. For fuck's sake, the sun could take a huge plasma fart and melt our electrical grid (see- Carrington Event.).

The assumption we can change it BACK, when we never had control in the first place, is a level of conceit that exposes precisely how you think. The most we can do is build a better house.

TL;DR it's real but we can't do shit besides build stronger houses and not live in flood zones like retards

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>Change my mind
Nah, I'll just wait for your country to turn into a giant desert instead. glhf

How can it be global warming if the entire world isn't even changing

>Fact: the measurements used for the graphs that support global warming are taken in and around cities, which obviously produce a lot of heat, get hotter as they expand, and are known as "urban heat islands" for a reason.
Fake News

>Fact: water vapor, not CO2, is the largest contributor to the Earth's greenhouse effect.
Fake News

>Fact: there has been scientific consensus on dozens of climate-related doomsday scenarios over the past fifty years that should have happened by now.
Fake News

Wow, that didn't take long at all for OP to be completely BTFO. Fuck off OP, even Hitler was an environmentalist. You don't have to be a raging leftie to want to take care of our goddamn planet. You're just a useful idiot to capitalists who are willing to doom us all in the name of technological progress.

Because "global warming" refers to average global temperatures. You can (and do) have local areas that go counter to the average trends.

>I know what Earth naturally goes through
L0Lno fgt pls

You ever see that one guys YouTube videos where he says they control the weather with coal plants releasing stream and the radar Doppler system? It's interesting I will try to find it

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_law_of_thermodynamics

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Here is the video.

youtu.be/Ytfj7EUFDs

>capitalists who are willing to doom us all in the name of technological progress

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TIME became so histrionic over the last few years.

The Great Global Warming Swindle

youtube.com/watch?v=oYhCQv5tNsQ

A movie where just about everyone involved is linked to the fossil fuel industry or even funded directly by the Koch brothers. Yes, this will surely provide an unbiased view of climate change.

The sun controls the climate.

>replying to a leaf

>replying to a straight white male
Ah, another fan of far left tactics to avoid arguments.

Also, TRILLIONS of dollars is invested in coastal properties and low lying coastal areas. Wouldn't the banks be pulling back on these deals if they believed the areas would be under water?

It's not the global warming you should worry about, but global muttenization.

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I'd trust an oil worker over you any day of the week, cuck.

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What is heat island effect?

An oil worker would know as much about global climate as he would about brain surgery. You really are an utter moron if you believe what you just typed.

Exactly. “Muh heimat” but fuck the planet.

Everyone here should read Heidegger. Based NatSoc who was concerned about technologizing the world.

It's the fact that urban centers tend to be anomalously warm because of their lower albedo. This is a very well undetstood basic fact that's taken into account for any sort of global climate assessment.

>Fact: the Earth naturally goes through alternating periods of heating and cooling and has done so for billions of years.

Correct however this fact supports global warming because many of these heatings and coolings reflect CO2s roll in the temperature of the climate

>Fact: we are literally still in one of those cooling periods right this very second (the Quaternary glaciation) and the Earth is currently cooling.

Incorrect, the current climatic era is the holocene marked by remarkably stable and mild temperatures

>Fact: the measurements used for the graphs that support global warming are taken in and around cities, which obviously produce a lot of heat, get hotter as they expand, and are known as "urban heat islands" for a reason.

Graphs that support global warming are typically composite averages taken from a variety of sources including land based and ocean base sources; the urban heat island effect has been researched and taken into account

>Fact: water vapor, not CO2, is the largest contributor to the Earth's greenhouse effect.

Incorrect; water vapour also raises albedo which has a cooling effect so the net effect of increased water vapour is typically balanced

CO2 is considered the main driver of climate change because its effects are magnified by its long lived atmospheric effect, while methane may be a much more powerful greenhouse gas it is short lived and thus cannot contribute as much warming as the same amount of CO2. Another factor is the natural carbon flux of oceans and biomass; during the holocene the carbon flux has been incredibly stable with oceans outgassing slightly less carbon than they absorb, and biomass absorbing slightly more carbon than is released by decaying plants/animals ect this cycle was stable until the current era of industrialization where coal and oil burning became ubiquitous. This activity has added just enough carbon to offset the natural net negative of the carbon flux and increase CO2 levels. Continued~

>I’d trust a porn star over a urologist

Why do I get the feeling telling Africa and South America to stop breeding like unsustainable rabbits isn’t on the list

That wasn't my point.

I'll just spell it out with pic related...

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Here.
skepticalscience.com/argument.php?f=percentage
You are not worth the time. But smart some user may be.

FYI, here's ~5.000 Peer-reviewed papers calling OP a fucking idiot.

As for "financial incentive"
The incentive to do nothing is literally BILLIONS of times higher.

Fact: Oil Profits US, Russian & Chinese Elite, are higher than the main green companies net-worth combined.

Fact: The Syrian and Central-African exodus to Europe started after an "uncommonly severe drought".

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You have no point or argument. Gotcha.

Is it true that leafs have no souls?

Look at this retard get hysterical over a compound that has a logarithmic warming effect.

They are running around with their hair on fire over a LOGARITHMIC EFFECT. We must be at peak stupidity because these retards don't even understand basic high school level math.

It is.

>The Syrian and Central-African exodus to Europe started after an "uncommonly severe drought".
Ok you literal fucking retard. You do realize Syria migration is a result of a covert war sponsored by gulf countries and cia right?

dang.

CO2 has a saturation limit which means just like vapor it stops mattering.

i hope global warming is true desu
imagine how technology would change and shit, we'd have floating fortresses and underwater homes.
nothing says fucking aesthetic like having your entire living room being submerged in a coral reef
you'd literally be living in an inverted aquarium

Incorrect.

The point is that, if it's even happening, it's at such a slow, stagnant rate that it will have little to no impact over the coming decades, certainly none worth sacrificing our (or anyone's, including the developing world's) economy for. And by the time they take effect, technology will have advanced to the point that the effects will be trivial.

Feel free to launch into hysterical "predictions" of doom, cuck. No one's listening, nor should they.

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>Fact: The Syrian and Central-African exodus to Europe started after an "uncommonly severe drought"
totally not due to a nonstop war and benefits offered in europe

>Fact: there is financial incentive in the form of grants for scientists and researchers to support the theory of global warming.

This is misleading. Modern science precludes the idea of putting conclusions ahead of research. Science is based of observations and evidence. Theories are built on rock solid foundations of tested and retested evidence before being accepted.

>Fact: there has been scientific consensus on dozens of climate-related doomsday scenarios over the past fifty years that should have happened by now. None of them have come true.

Many of these predictions were made with incomplete understanding of the climate or made by people exaggerating claims of scientists. Today the best scientific knowledge points unambiguously towards anthropogenic global warming caused by CO2.

Global warming is a good thought exercise to assess the weaknesses of our current civilization regardless of whether it's real or not. Our civilization is built in a very haphazard way when you think about things like sea level rise or drought.

>Correct however this fact supports global warming because many of these heatings and coolings reflect CO2s roll in the temperature of the climate
Can't prove cause and effect, only correlation.
>Graphs that support global warming are typically composite averages taken from a variety of sources including land based and ocean base sources; the urban heat island effect has been researched and taken into account
>taken into account
So garbage data was 'corrected'. Yea that's not suspicious at all.

So.. now you're countering some kind of strawman. Well done old chap, you're really making a contribution here.

>Modern science precludes the idea of putting conclusions ahead of research
Absolutely the dumbest fucking thing I've ever read on the internet. This fucking retard actually believes peer review prevents fraud, disinformation, and stupidity. Hows it feel to know your whole belief system is based on group think and false appeal to authority.

So we're not doomed? Kewl.

Climate change ain't shit. Worry about something meaningful for a change.

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the greenhouse gas effect is well understood

you can read the studies yourself if you have qualms over how the data is interpreted

measuring hot tarmac is not the same as measuring the ocean

saturation effect is irrelevant here since CO2 is not uniformly spread around the globe; i havent looked into the topic particularly but i would wager that the effects of global warming would happen below any sort of meaningful saturation point

"Modern Science" is a very vague term. I don't think you would include many studies in your definition of Modern Science but the truth is there are many scientific journals that will publish just about anything.

It's all down to sunspots, prove me wrong but you can't if your IQ is high enough

You have no point or argument. Gotcha.

>"Modern Science" is a very vague term.
These people actually think science is some kind of formula where the input is a lot of data and the output is truth. It's progressive politics applied to the search for true knowledge - as long as things are being done and old things are destroyed, progress magically happens.

>when the NPC dialogue loops

And I thought it was just a meme...

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Well look at that! (((you))) are wrong.

For those smart enough to read and/or interested on statistics.

Fact: Extreme weather causes migrations.

Fact: Migrants are cheap labor force with no rights, payed by the middle class

The only winners in such a situation is the Stock-market. Only the US, Russian and "Wahabbi" (((elite))) see the profit from slave-labor.

Fact: There's currently a flood of migrants in the developed countries, that will only be worse.

Fact: Trying to stop migration by force does reduce net migration, but sparks up terrorism.

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>It's progressive politics applied to the search for true knowledge
You're confusing progressive "research" in the social sciences with data-driven physical sciences where any bullshit is plain for anyone to see who can understand data. You know, the kind of science that built the modern world.

>pointing out that you're not presenting any relevant argument is hostile
Are you capable of saying anything that isn't completely retarded?

>Generic pre programmed response 5

one level deeper: even if it's real there's nothing you can do about it and no reason you should feel called to action

>where any bullshit is plain for anyone to see who can understand data
Ohh yes, the religion of data, if only we had more data and people were better equipped to understand it. Except for the fact that most of the systems we interact with on a day to day basis are dynamic and chaotic, where data is virtually useless, and the only real way to make any kind of prediction is through heuristics. Funny how anyone with a degree in electronic engineering knows the importance of understanding feedback, dynamism, and chaos. You know, the people who actually build things.

CO2 rise follows temperature increase, it does not drive it- it may even mitigate it by providing nourishment to plant life. Water vapor is well established as a larger factor in the "greenhouse effect".

>does a bunch of shit-posting
>gets a response that isn't perfectly cordial\
>accuses respondent of being hostile and dump
>profit
Well done, kudos to you mate. Your responses have been real insightful and original. Woa! Mind blown! You're definitely not a total retard! Winning!!!

I agree that global warming is mostly bullshit, we don't understand climate, the scientists that are getting press are the ones that want press by talking shit.

HOWEVER we are definitely doing harm, it's just that we don't know how much and how quickly it will happen, so we should definitely be trying to abate it. If you disagree you're just another irrational fucktard just like the people who are adamant it is definitely going to happen tomorrow.

anyone claiming to understand the climate, to a point of predictive reliability, is a pseud

>dismissing the process we use for understanding the physical world
Yeah... okay buddy.. that'll get you real far. Nice set of buzzwords you throw out there. It's not like just about every physical science deals with feedback and chaotic systems.

OR...

>tell everyone there's a global HAPPENING under way, and they need to sacrifice their sovereignty and economies to stop it, in favor of some supranational entity like the UN or EU
>line up the MSM and every grant whore scientist and celebrity you can to back you up
>throw falsifiability out the window and treat every weather event as if it underscores your conclusions...expect a ton of this shit with Michael

Fact: this is what's actually happening, dipshit. Now fuck off with your Cthulhu 14-year-old edgelord faggotry.

kek

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Ya ok, the fact that you can browse the web securely proves just how bullshit your idea of data science really is.

Climate change is real, but there's no convincing evidence on what's going to happen because of it. We've seen predictions about what will happen 10-20 years in the future since the 1970s and none of them have borne out.

Do you even understand the words you used? Care to explain just how feedback, chaos and dynamism make the climate system inherently unpredictable? I'm all ears if you want to actually use those words to elaborate on something rather than just throwing them out as buzzwords to take the pace of a real argument.

I understand you are scared.
You should be...

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where are all those "Climate Refugees" gonna go?

what should (((the elite))) tell the lowest quartile to convince them to step up on mass migration, while removing their rights?
Oh I know!
>they are rapists
Congratulations! You just destroyed the possibility for the lower classes to unionize.

Lower Class = Beaners, Niggers, and Young Incels.

...have you seen them agitated lately?

You realize almost all the climate models used to prove GW converge to a constant value in ~100 years? In order to avoid this embarrassment, these crazies have to add artificial oscillators to their models, then they wonder why no one takes them seriously outside of their own field.

So I take it you're not capable of expanding on that statement? That you don't actually know the meaning of these words in the context of the global climate? Is that why you're deflecting now?

You must pay your mortgage even underwater, you idiot.

Worst case, they get money from the insurance, who'll break and ask the taxpayer.
Best case, they'll get free dams built by the Taxpayer.

Anyways, buying near the coast could mean having ocean view in a couple decades... I'd invest in that too if banks didn't think this through already.

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Really?!
The sun has been "ruled out"?

B.C. or Ontario.

Which one do you live in?

>Fake News
Provides no basis for label.

That's because oceans were heating (for some other reason) and they hold most a LOT of CO2. It takes some time for this emission to happen.

It does nourish plant life, binding more carbon as plant material etc. as opposed to just CO2 forced into the oceans...

The question is; can and could CO2 drive temperature if CO2 was released first? To some degree... but I actually believe the cosmic rays + sun accounts for a lot of it.

Yep, the sun's been ruled out. For one thing, the solar output has been declining for 35 years and temperatures have continued to rise.

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Even if global warming/climate change is real then it's not a threat to mankind.

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OP btfo

>Global Warming isn't real. Change my mind.

Alright. Let's play ball.

>Fact: the Earth naturally goes through alternating periods of heating and cooling and has done so for billions of years.

This change typically occurs over millions of years, not decades. The earth's temperature is currently changing faster than it ever has since the extinction of the dinosaurs.

>Fact: we are literally still in one of those cooling periods right this very second (the Quaternary glaciation) and the Earth is currently cooling.

Then why are new high temperature records broken almost every year?

>Fact: the measurements used for the graphs that support global warming are taken in and around cities, which obviously produce a lot of heat, get hotter as they expand, and are known as "urban heat islands" for a reason.

Antarctic ice cores have also been taken into account.

>Fact: water vapor, not CO2, is the largest contributor to the Earth's greenhouse effect.

Irrelevant. This doesn't chance the fact that CO2 is a greenhouse gas,

>Fact: there is financial incentive in the form of grants for scientists and researchers to support the theory of global warming.

They could be receiving even more money if they became petroleum industry shills. The shill gambit can go both ways, so stick to the science.

>Fact: there has been scientific consensus on dozens of climate-related doomsday scenarios over the past fifty years that should have happened by now. None of them have come true.

Those doomsday scenarios were cooked up by sensationalist magazines, not the scientific community.

Present day isn't even on that graph.

Luckily the industries that can actually have an effect don't see it that way.

Do you know what peak oil is? Peak oil is when we can no longer extract more oil every year, meaning that oil will get harder to find in the future. It could very well be that we've already passed peak oil, given that we need to kiss Saudi ass just to get affordable oil.

There is also the issue of fracking and the issue of highly dangerous offshore oil drilling. This is all happening because oil is becoming harder and harder to get. This is forcing us to resort to increasingly dangerous methods of oil extraction.

>Same year this Muslim Terrorist became president.

Is Jow Forums still this retarded?

Maybe Trump is a secret Muslim. Can you prove he isn't?

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