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ok so let me get this straight
>3.2 million jews got systematically gassed in "nazi death camps" from approx 1940-1945
>so thats 640,000 died a year
>so thats 1753 every day
>so thats 219 on average in each of the 8 death camps all day every day round the clock
>even when the nazis were losing the war in the last few years with dwindling resources, food, logistics etc
hold on i thought it was 6 million jews?
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I thought they died of various causes - typhus, fevers, malnutrition etc. and the disposal of mass bodies was simply an inevitable by-product of condensing so many sick people together in one place. They, in turn, would infect others, and the cycle would propagate. Look at how fast a virus goes through a workplace or a school. Make that amoebic dysentery, and people already under-nourished and weak, and there will be nothing you can do to stop thousands dying.
Then what do you do with the bodies? You don't need to be exterminating people when conditions and illness are already running far, far ahead of you in that regard.
But meat starts to rot, and you don't want to be encouraging cannibalism. Cover it with lime and bury it, or burn it, or live in a charnel house.
The war is ending. Germany is defeated. The corpse just hasn't stopped twitching yet. But let's waste precious fuel trying to run unbelievably inefficient carbon monoxide vans, or diesel engines for fumes which don't really work. 'Gas chambers' with no hermetic seal. No trace of the chemical compounds within the walls at all. Typhus rampant, Zyklon-B the best-known insecticide, and you assume people are going to try to waste it on killing people who are already dying in large quantities anyway?
Foolishness. Just foolishness.
>hold on i thought it was 6 million jews?
The concentration camps are not listed there
ok so it's confirmed that only 3 million actually got gassed in death camps? even then as per my original post the math doesn't seem realistic at all
>inb4 muh german efficiency
Why go to the trouble of gassing them instead of just denying them food/water? They'd all be dead in a week.
Concentration camps also had gas chambers, at least that what they showed us.
Before you call me a shill, why is it so hard to believe that the holocaust happened?
Because of the numerous obvious lies.
What like the chimney that was built after the fact? I think that since there is a strong motive for the nazis to kill juden and degenerates, that the holocaust did in fact happen
The holocaust happened.
One word.
LAMPSHADE
What i "believe" doesn't matter, can you reasonably tell me the math posted in is realistic? Those were the figures i just took from wikipedia with sources and citations. Note that i was also being liberal with those statistics seeing as most of the camps were operational for less than 5 years. As i already said the nazis were already badly losing the war towards the end so why the fuck would they still be focusing their resources on gassing 1753 jews every single day when they were already starving / dying of deseases?
so i ask you: why is it so hard for you to question the official holocaust narrative?
not and argument and memeflag
Well there is a bunch of false shit about everything that happens
TREBLINKA
Not all untermensch were gassed. How is it so hard to understand that millions of them died in camps? Either from Syphilis, starvation, or other means
And if you want to question the holocaust you should point out that they don’t allow scientists to analyze the mass graves. The numbers argument doesn’t work
These numbers all for all people killed in those camps, not just the jews. Of course, the Jews also died in other camps, ghettos, shootings etc.
>why is it so hard to believe that the holocaust happened?
You asked why. The numerous obvious lies, such as the one I pointed out are why. End of story.
>they don’t allow scientists to analyze the mass graves
Yes they do.
From what I heard they didn’t my guy
i never said that millions didn't die in camps from Syphilis, starvation, or other means, i'm glad that you agree that millions died from other causes than being gassed
so the actual figure of gassed jews in death camps is way less than 3 million then according to what you said
>from what i head
>Before you call me a shill
Big facts
Prove to me it did happen Goldberg
>What is Prussian blue
>What is zero written evidence
>What is torture
>What is physically not possible by given means
>What is numerically impossible
>What is faked evidence, Russian built , American movie
>What is countless lies about events
Why do you need laws to force people to believe it?
kek
>laws to enforce a belief
I don’t lol I’m an American
no wonder the germans called it giftgas it was truly a gift to humanity.
It's allegedly 1.1 million in Auschwitz alone. That's 600 per day over 5 years.
You need to do better that an argument from incredulity. If the math isn't realistic - why isn't it realistic? Be specific. What happened to the people sent to the camps?
That many people could probably lead a successful revolt if they were pushed that far up against the ropes.
It's illegal and/or antisemetic to bring up facts
>focus on certain camps
>ignore the rest of the camps
Why are you disagreeing with 97% of scientists and historians who dedicated their lifes to the research of the worst event in human history? If it wasn't for whites, 6 million more jew would be alive today
They also doubled as labor camps, manufacturing war materials
Exactly.
If the Holocaust was fake, why would it be against the law? Use your brain nazis.
>Carbon monoxide vans
just...
dropping holohoax redpills normies newfags and shills are welcome to get enlightened
actually just dropping redpills
fair enough but i feel like my basic argument is already enough to demand an extraordinary response
>320,000 from carbon monoxide vans
i feel like this wikipedia article is gonna get edited real soon
Respond to what exactly? Most of the Jews were killed in 1941-1943.
i mean look at the death toll they set for Romania apparently we killed ~500.000 jews that was the entire jewish population in our country at that time what the fuck logic is that?
And isn't it mysterious how during and after ww2 the jewish population never left the number of ~15.000.000
oyyyyyyyyy veeey
You are an idiot of course the new chimney was built by the soviets nobody denies this? Becasue the whole complex in the stammlager was converted to a air raid shelter in 1943 by the SS as the procedure switched to birkenau after the war it was reconstructed
pic related orginal plans
> what the fuck logic is that?
The real question you should be asking is if there was no holocaust how come almost the entire Jewish population of your country disappeared without trace.
hey there newfriend , how about you get informed before talking
because they moved to Israel after ww2 how moronic can you be lmao , if this is bait it's pretty good
>Majdanek
>at least 80,000
gets me every time, the original estimate was like 1.1 million.
>Jews get claim to Jerusalem because of holocaust.
>Israel gets reparations from Germany TO THIS DAY.
>Israel gets millions of dollars per year in aide from US.
>Jewish academics demonize and tear down white nationalism over the next few decades because "we can't risk another holocaust".
>Jews get treated like a protected class for the rest of history.
Why is it so hard to believe that a group would lie about something for billions of dollars and eternal political leverage over you?
Furthermore, there are actual consequences to believing it if it isn't true (not including the stuff listed above), which people who say JUST BELIEVE IT never consider.
>Germans are raped and brutalized post-war, but they deserved it.
>German heritage is mocked and degraded indefinitely. Germans aren't allowed to have dignity. c.f.:
>Frankfurt school: Post-war Jewish professors push the idea that oppressing European/white pride and destroying traditional European family structures is necessary to prevent another holocaust. Fast forward to today: Nobody even bats an eye about pic related. Leads to things like:
>Mass immigration to "white" countries is good. "Diversity" is good. Say otherwise and you're a bigot. White people protecting themselves and their countries/cultures is bigotry now. Any form of nationalism led by white people is equated with the evil Nazi Germany.
>Israel takes power of surrounding regions, massacres Palestinians and exiles them from their own country over the past 50 years.
Perhaps some other anons can list more. These are just the ones I can recall.
So how many Jews originating from Romania are there in Israel now?
they are in israel but in a grave , since they died of old age , just what the fuck logic do you have nigger
>500.000 jews that was the entire jewish population in our country at that time what the fuck logic is that?
nearly 1 million jews lived in romania in 9133
>And isn't it mysterious how during and after ww2 the jewish population never left the number of ~15.000.000
The University of Alberta library has the World Almanac issues for the pertinent period for 1941, 1944, 1947, 1948, and 1949. The figures listed for total world Jewish population are as follows:
1941 15,748,091
1944 15,192,089
1947 15,688,259
1948 15,688,259
1949 11,266,600
Now you may be wondering what happened to all those Jews in 1948-49. No fresh estimates were made between 1938 and 1947. The figures listed for 1941, 1947, and 1948 are identified as estimates made in 1938. The source for the estimate for 1944 is not given, and the numbers are listed differently than in other years. In 1944, the numbers are given as a part of a list of various world religions rather than standing on their own with a country-by-country breakdown as in the other years.
Only in 1949 are postwar estimates employed, the figures given are for estimates made in 1948. A year or two lag seems to be common for various other population estimates given by the World Almanac.
The difference between the 1938 and 1948 figures is thus 4,481,491.
In 1949, however, the World Almanac gives a revised 1939 population of 16,643,120 giving a difference of between 1938 and 1947 of 5,376,520. Where the extra population between 1938 and 1939 came from is not cited, though one might speculate that it was based upon the Nazi estimates made in 1942 for the Wannsee Conference.
>hold on i thought it was 6 million jews?
well you are ignorant adn ill educated then.
no historian, no one ever, said six million were gassed.
right, so using the wikipedia source its 3 million gassed in 3 years then, thats 2700 people gassed every day 24 hours around the clock
the response would be something like how the nazis were so efficiently good at gassing jews, even though according to it was actually Syphilis, starvation, or other means. So what is it?
I think the more reasonable argument against the holocaust is the exact reverse of your argument.
It would have been quite easy to kill all of the Jews with bullets, since German bullet production during WWII was in the billions, it wouldn't have made any difference to them. Other means could have been used to slaughter all of them, too, quickly, such as machetes, or hunger thirst and exposure like in here:
en.wikipedia.org
BUT after the war there were 4 million Jews receiving money from the German government as holocaust survivors.
Soaps and lampshades. Also that the claims come from the USSR side
Add like 2 more million Greeks that were slaughtered.
But what about their descendants? If half a million Jews emigrated to Israel decades ago, shouldn't there be like a million-strong Romanian Jewish community right now?
I still don't see your argument.
woah they sorted out the numbers ten years later and then revised the numbers from before the war so they added up. FUCK ME NOTHING TO SEE HERE
What did they do from '45-'47? How'd they get there? Why'd they leave their possessions?
i love how no shills respond to my post , since they know they cant shill against that
The "allied bombing" stuff is one of the dumbest arguments deniers use.
nice fallacy there shlomo
It nearly seems as that population estimates are not an exact process especially during a war
There is evidence that indicates that there weren't even 6million kikes in Europe at that time. All post-holohoax population data has been memoryholed, but I once had/have in storage a book published in the 30's that indicated that the kike population of Europe never exceeded 1%-1.5%. There are 750 million people in Europe today. Do the math.
Did you go to school in America or something? The fact that typhus was rampant in the camps is about as common knowledge as knowledge gets... Anne Frank, arguably the most famous casualty, is known to have died of typhus..
>There is evidence that indicates that there weren't even 6million kikes in Europe at that time.
SHOW IT
>The war is ending. Germany is defeated.
Nope. not in 1939, 40, 41, 42, 43 or even 44.
which is when the vast majority of deaths occurred.
>But let's waste precious fuel trying to run unbelievably inefficient carbon monoxide vans, or diesel engines for fumes which don't really work.
But they didn't do that. they used petrol engines. Only non eyewitnesses and hearsay said diesel, the people who ran them said petrol. and they do really work. and that was mostly in 1943 to 44.
> 'Gas chambers' with no hermetic seal.
Sorry? the gas chambers at Auschwitz were sealed rooms with gas tight doors - what are you talking about? (please do not tell me you thought the office doors on the old Crematorium 1 which are not even int eh same doorways as the room had when it was a morgue/temporary gas chamber are the original doors... please tell me you are not that ignorant)
> No trace of the chemical compounds within the walls at all.
Not true. the IFFR report makes it clear, as did the testing done in 1945-46 that cyanide was used in the gas chambers. only lying and incompetent Leuchter and rudolf with their stolen samples improperly analysed say otherwise.
>Typhus rampant, Zyklon-B the best-known insecticide, and you assume people are going to try to waste it on killing people who are already dying in large quantities anyway?
But the people arriving at Auschwitz were healthy. they were coming from Hungary, and from the ghettos. Of course many were murdered on arrival because they were old, or infirm, or children, or just women (they didn't have a women's camp section at the start) and the ones saved for slavery were the young and fit adults, but those sent to their deaths were not already dying.
and you do not need much to kill people - a tenth that amount needed to kill lice. adn this was in 42-44, long before the war was lost. and of course at Treblinka, Sobibor and Belzec and Chelmno they used petrol engines, not hydrogen cyanide.
How so? You're the one suggesting all those people moved to a country that didn't exist until 2 years after the war..
OYYY VEEEEEEY we must increase our efforts 10 FOLD
>There is evidence that indicates that there weren't even 6million kikes in Europe at that time.
the germans themselves estimated over 11 Million jews in
your shill game is really low , if you want to get paid more try and find better jewish arguments , you clearly aren't jewish just a petti insignificant shill without a life
AHAHAHAH the germans said there where about 340.000 jews in romania but apparently we killed 500.000 in our holohoax where did they get the extra 160.000 from up their asses or what , get btfod cunts
given the horrors of the camp - and it is confirmed they had a lamp base made out of human bones - and it is not confirmed tha tthe lampshade did not exist, adn there is evidence that they did make gifts out of human parts, really it is not surprising that anyone thought that they might have made one. it is certainly not beynd the sort of thing that was done.
so you dismiss an enormous mass of evidence because of one, possibly, but not definitely mild exaggeration of what was done.
you have a low standard for evidence don't you?
pic related telling the camp to stop making shrunken heads...
>the fuck would they still be focusing their resources on gassing 1753 jews every single day
but that is a ridiculous suggestion. they were not doing that. they stopped the gassings in 1944. but at one time they had four gas chamebrs at auschwitz that could kill ten thousand a day, and at three other main camps (treblinka, Sobibor adn Belzec) they could kill another ten thousand a day. Plus the usual death rate at the hundreds of other camps, killing a few people each day - it isn't hard to see how the numbers mount up.
your suggestion that it was spaced out evenly and they were doing it continuously is nonsense.
For the uneducated, most of these Jews in the "Holocaust" camps weren't killed by Germans. It was allied bombings.
>Scenario 1
The allies used chemical and biological warfare on these camps without intelligence that tells them there were Jews and POWs there
>Scenario 2
The allies used biological and chemical warfare against these camps while knowing there were Jews and POWs there to put the blame on the Germans and to demand reparations in the peace treaty so that they can milk and undermine the German economy and Germany's reputation
Most likely it's Scenario 2. After the war, the soviets/allies uncovered archives of communications in and out of these gassing camps, and found no clue, evidence or mentioning of any Jews/POWs being executed, with gas or any other means. Plus, there are even pictures of German SS guards happily taking pictures with Jews, Jews playing football (soccer for the Americans), swimming pools, good nutrition and all of that. Other evidence include the doors of the supposed "Gas Chambers." They weren't gas chamber doors, hell they weren't designed for gas chambers and to contaminate gas, it was just simple wooden doors. If there was actual gassing, then the entire camp would've died from the gas because of the doors. Plus, why would Germany spend time, money, effort and resources into execution by gas chambers instead of just firing a single bullet into each Jew, or even using enemy weaponry and ammunition to kill the Jews? It would cost a lot less, because at that time Germany's economy was on a strain, and so was their resources and manpower. Hell, after the war, Germany literally had to import workers because the entire youth was sent to the frontlines.
ok my bad i fell for the 6 million gassed in death camps narrative then
I also want to note that people use the holocaust to dismiss the reasons that Hitler considered Jews to be enemies of the state. They wouldn't look into it because, in their minds, NOTHING would justify the holocaust, and if you even think about it then you're a monster. When you realize that it's much more likely those millions of people died of Typhus (which is well-documented, even in American prison camps at the time), then you can shake off the taboo of Hitler and his motives and look into it yourself.
You'll learn that Hitler was fighting back against Jews who were trying to subvert Germany by attacking the German economy through their monopoly of the banks, attacking Germany's reputation through their monopoly of the press, and attacking German philosophy through monopoly of academia. There are clear parallels to modern day US, but even though it's common knowledge that Jews have a disproportionate influence in Hollywood, the music industry, the press, etc., the holocaust narrative discourages people from being uncomfortable about it. After all, if you aren't okay with Jews dominating your society and ultimately destroying your culture for profit, then you're as bad as Hitler... Without the holocaust narrative, Hitler actually did the undisputable right thing, but some anons will even argue that the holocaust would have been justified if it did happen, based on what the Jews had been doing to Germany (and every other country throughout history). You have to realize that, before Jewish scholars cucked the West, strength, pride, and protecting your own people were commonplace, as they still are in some parts of the world that haven't been infiltrated yet.
the document in question is from the International Tracing Service, an organization created during the war to track missing persons. The 300,000 number specifically (per the ITS itself) does not include the vast majority of those murdered in the camps, but rather those for whom the ITS was able to issue a death certificate at the request of family members.
> The figures cited by the author of the booklet are based upon statistics falsely attributed to us, evidently for the purpose of giving them credibility, despite the fact that we never publish information of this kind.[89]
—Françoise Perret, Comité International de la Croix-Rouge, to Jacob Gerwitz
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>According to these data, Europe's population in 1940 was about 416 million
>6million in 416 million is 1.44%
>In 1939, the core Jewish population reached its historical peak of 17 million
There is so much obfuscation and disinfo surrounding this subject that it's pointless to argue. 6million doesn't make sense on any level however, even if you accept the stat of 17 million pre-holohoax kikes something just seems off. I haven't attacked the holohoax from this angle in a long time if ever, so I need to do more work.
>the [[[germans]]] themselves estimated over 11 Million jews in
I'm sure they did. The Nazis were Jew-controlled opposition.
they are not keen on disturbing burial sites. How would you like your murdered parents graves being dug up just to satisfy the lurid curiosity of internet trolls?
but the surveys with modern ground penetrating radar, etc, and small test bores and samples are more than sufficient to establish the grave sites. (in B$ Krege the lying austrlian who never published his data, adn was not even trained archaeologist - his claims about Treblinka are ridiculous - the Treblinka Gold Rush alone would leave massive disturbances at the site he claimed was virgin soil since the ice age)
at Sobibor they took bore samples every meter - and found masses of human waxy fat deposits and ash and bone. It was only after that that the jews started to complain about the disturbance being too intrusive.
nobody claims 500 000 jews got killed in romania the modern estimates are between 280,000 and 380,000
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>could kill ten thousand a day
>another ten thousand a day
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>>What is Prussian blue
a discoloration that occurs when large quantities of hydrogen cyanide condensate is deposited on iron bearing surfaces, such as would happen in a delousing chamber (high gas concentration for long periods) bt not in a homicidal gas chamber where low gas concentration for a short time is the norm, adn which is washed down between gassings with water (because the cyanide is washed away) to make the room look clean for he next group of innocent and unwary victims.
>>What is zero written evidence
not what we have in the case of the holocaust which is supported by thousands of documents.
>>What is torture
unreliable emmthod of acquiring evidence. Good job we also have diaries, letters, speeches, train records, engineeers reports, inventories for gas tight doors and covers for roof vents to drop in gas pellets, and all the other non torture induced testimony - see Oskar Groening for example - that confirms the mass murders happened
>>What is physically not possible by given means
No the holocaust. The killing, adn the disposal of the bodies, is absolutely possible, and indeed easy, given the tech of the time and the equipment we know they had.
>>What is numerically impossible
that is an abstract concept only applicable to maths. And the numbers in the Holocaust are all possible.
>>What is faked evidence, Russian built , American movie
Restoration of a building, even if badly done, is not faked evidence. and it is the merest tiniest piece of evidence. You obsess about a chimney being rebuilt, ont he original foundations, which was originally attached by underground flues from the underground ovens, and think that somehow means that the entire thing is faked. you are pathetic.
this was the extraordinary response i was looking for
>tfw unironically there are faggots here who still believe holocaust was real
How did they not lead a revolt when they were killing thousands of people a day? How would you not know? Come on.
>>What is countless lies about events
Hardly countless, there are a few that are reposted every day on pol, but it is hardly countless. Yes I would agree that most people (like you) are ignorant of the truth, and often beleive falsehoods.
history shoud be better taught. But you seem to jsut beleive other lies. you should learn some history
>Why do you need laws to force people to believe it?
you don't. the laws are to prosecute those who are accesories afer the fact in crimes agaisnt humanity. they are to punish those who attempt to exonerate mass murderers, usually in order to advocate new mass murder.
honest research is not illegal. Just lying, especially for political ends.
"Dear members of France,
Please stop making posts online every time you kill a refugee, we are now in the millions of refugees killed and it happens every time you post so please stop killing or stop posting.
Regards,
Macron"
Did this happen too because I typed it up? Damn, really makes you think.