I am not american. I even didn't remember 1993. So I need context here.
Why Waco triggers so hard the liberals, conservatives... EVERYONE in USA?
I am not american. I even didn't remember 1993. So I need context here.
Why Waco triggers so hard the liberals, conservatives... EVERYONE in USA?
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Because they murdered this dude on live tv. For nothing.
And not just David Koresh, and not just men with guns, but dozens of non combatant women and children as well.
Because the gubment used "muh gunz" to impose on religious folk, up to and including burning children alive.
You need to google Ruby Ridge to know why all this started and how the alphabet soup agencies were/are poisoning the principles the American constitution are based on.
some degenerates got burned up by the based feds
Because the government killed 70+ people for no real reason.
>Inb4 muh machine guns
Weren't hurting anybody with them until they got raided
>Inb4 muh child abuse
Irrelevant, considering they got most of them killed anyway
I feel bad for the kids whose parents would let them be pedo’d by Koresh. Aside from them, they deserved to burn.
You have a sauce for that?
The fear within the federal government about the "militia movement" made them overplay their hand.
Coincidentally, the sniper that killed Randy Weaver's wife while she held her infant at Ruby Ridge was present at Waco.
About a year before, the FBI and ATF proved they had a big dick by killing a mother holding her baby and her 13 year old son based on bullshit charges they had to admit to years later. At Waco, they again wanted to show they had a big dick, but got their shit pushed in when the people fought back. They didn't like it, and a bunch of people got torched. If the government had started the fire or not doesn't really matter to me because the raid never should have happened. A couple of years later, someone blew up an FBI building in OKC killing 163 people including a lot of kids. Since then the militia movement died down, and the government isn't so fast to show how big of a dick they have. The Bundy ranch is a good example.
Bullshit. He intitated an armed standoff when ATF agents arrived with a search warrant. Stop your foolishness. Nigga was modifying semi autos to full auto and selling them all over. He was as dumb as they come.
Blood sacrifice to moloch
>he fell for the "official narrative"
Next you're gonna tell me Timothy McVeigh bombed OK city
>not watching Alex Jones' Wake Up or Waco
Oh buddy. And I bet the buddy ranchers really didnt pay taxes.
Koresh was in the habit of going to the local post office once a week, and went jogging on the roads around his compound every morning. If they wanted to pick him up they had plenty of opportunity.
This was ATF being dick waving assholes. The funny thing was, when they got shot to fuck and had to limp back to their vans, they took out their hostility on the press journos filming their ignominious retreat, as if it was somehow "improper" to show feds in anything other than a shining "we won, fuck you" light.
Why raid a known heavily armed compound instead of arresting him when he was in town? The answer was they wanted to prove how badass and awesome they were.
Why other countries are so interested in our politics never ceases to amaze me.
Have you seen these spastic free niggers? They mow down cops for speeding tickets if their day isn't going well, while mumbling incoherent nonsense about how cucked they are.
>thinking I'm talking about free citizens movement
Ahh, so you're still so bluepilled you think the buddy ranch, waco, ruby ridge is all under an umbrella that also includes free citizens. Oh buddy, open those eyes
They're was something they needed to hide. They burned the entire place down. They also crushed an entrance to a makeshift bunker that Koresh had built so that people couldn't escape. I don't believe either of those things were accidents. They they pushed the debris into a huge pile so that no outside investigation into the cause of the fire could occur. They also put gag orders on everyone involved.
Let's talk about Waco. What really transpired, etc.
to understand Waco, we must understand William Jefferson Blythe, who we all know as Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton is a jesuit. it is well documented. He was also a member of demolay(jr masons). The jesuits mission is to pave the way for the "moon children" what many would call the anti christ, to eliminate all memory of creator and divine origin from this earth.
David Koresh, was an mk theta/delta(psychic/assasin programmin) The reason he had so much influence over the branch davidians is his theta programming allowed him to recognize and interpret body language and facial cues in real time. When you know what motivates people you know HOW to motivate them. David Koresh spoke extensively of "the seven seals". Now the media will tell you he wanted to catalyze the end of the world, remember armageddon means "unveiling" not end of life...
The seven seals are an allegorical reference to the 7 main chakras on the human body. He understood how to unlock or unSEAL them and so did his followers. To the tptb few things are more dangerous. When koresh let some of the children from his compound go, doctors marvelled at their physical health and advanced intellects, not to mention their were NO signs of sexual abuse. Bill Clinton got a mandate from the black pope(head of the jesuits) to eliminate this threat to their agenda.
Now the "tear gas" the fbi threw into the waco compound did have tear gas in it, but it also had a neurotoxin that caused immediate paralysis. gov grade tear gas is such a noxious, sickening odor if you're in its presence, you will instinctively flee, yet if you watch the waco video, NO one ran out of the compound while tear gas was being deployed. Why? Because they couldnt they were paralyzed immediately upon inhalation.
fbi had a small army outside leveling guns at them, a chopper let 4 elite black ops mercenaries onto the roof to enter. they once inside, murdered the "sitting duck" davidians, so no one could tell the tale. They than planted four cannisters of "white phosphorus" which burns so hot it destroys all dna, excellent for covering up a crime scene and a special forces favorite. The soldiers that entered the compound were given shots of atropine, which immunizes one against the effects of nerve gas. If you look at how the compound burned, you see the fire starting in the corners and engulfing towards the middle, not at all typical of "a kerosense lantern knocking over and consuming the compund in flames like the gov says.
Only 4 members of the gov hit team died that day. All 4 were bill clintons personal body guards..how odd, wonder what they knew. Google Paul Wilcher the attorney who members of the govt hit team confessed to, and who arranged immunity for their testimony only to have his 4 witnesses die in "training accidents"
As a matter of fact Bill Clinton didnt want to reappoint Janet Reno in his second term, and she flat out said to him, "if you dont give me the nomination, Ill tell everyone the truth about waco.
So to recap not only did clinton kill the man who could and likely would have awakened the masses, he orchestrated the first attack by the american gov of american citizens on domestic soil since the civil war and broke many war crimes using nerve gas on his own people.
It's proof the government can and will kill you whenever the fuck they want.
I live in Waco, off Bosque, by the fair.
Pic related to habbening
>Only 4 members of the gov hit team died that day. All 4 were bill clintons personal body guards..how odd, wonder what they knew. Google Paul Wilcher the attorney who members of the govt hit team confessed to, and who arranged immunity for their testimony only to have his 4 witnesses die in "training accidents"
Any sort of evidence of this?
He fucked up, 75 other people didn’t have to get burned alive
Conservatives see it as a strong arm of the federal government. Like the person above said, he was modifying weapons illegally, and selling them. Now, if you Believe in limited government and the right to arm yourself and some sort of belief that you are the sovereign of your property, then you could understand why the federal government laying siege on someone for a gun issue and setting fire to a building killing him and 75 others seems like a troubling precedent
Liberals, I don’t know. Maybe that a bunch of people died as collateral, and this was during a time when liberals still hated the FBI all of the time instead of occasionally
What the hell happened with that biker shoot-out a few years ago? That really went down the memory hole.
I have read some shit on here but jee-sus.
Oh fugg I just remembered that
Why did the white house liason between the Clintons and the feds running the Waco siege "kill himself" shortly after?
Why did Killary send someone to clean out his office before the police arrived?
What dirt did he have? Why did he say "ruining people here is considered sport".
What are the Clintons hiding?
These are questions that need to be answered fully, not just brushed off with stories about depression.
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Waco, as a bunch of people have already said, was the ATF waving it's dick around. With Ruby ridge under their belt and after torching a bunch of fucking kids they suddenly realized that choking everyday citizens to death with your cock was a really fucking stupid thing to do. I'm dead certain in 30 years documents will be released which say "lol yeah, it was bullshit and qe threw incendiary nades through windows for the hell of it". Like with how the ATF kept trying to push Ruby Ridge to happen.
That's why they spam the sovereign citizen, cult, criminal pedo bullshit. That way once its released everyone will go, oh well they deserved it
found the ass hurt BATF nigger
You underestimate our role as leaders of the world
The Branch Davidians were taking in escapees from the nearby cemex facility housing some of the human pedo ring. They knew too much and the feds couldn't risk Koresh telling the world.
Quite possibly this.
Koresh said he would surrender once he had finished releasing his manifesto called the seven seals. But he had only released a portion of it when the feds said "nah...fuck that!" and burned the shitshow down.
Now, the seige had been going for almost a month and a half at this stage, so what's the rush? A few more days for him to publish his memoirs and it could all have ended without further bloodshed.
He knew something, and needed to be silenced pronto. That's why they killed the kids too. Because with a federal investigation they would have blown the whistle on the Clintons human trafficing/child prostitution ring.
Remember, the Clintons weren't in ofice when Waco started, so they couldn't kill it quick. But once they were in the white house...
Why does pedo shit follow the Clintons round like a bad smell everywhere they go?
No smoke without fire.
Start by watching that movie.
it showed that the US alphabet agencies were willing to go to war with citizens and kill kids if needed. shit is fucked up.
I think Koresh was nuts and breaking the law and should have been arrested.
The Feds went about it in a way designed to "make an example" of the cult. This was unethical and stupid because there were kids and brainwashed women who were in the line of fire.
Besides the shooting and armored vehicles they pumped so much tear gas into buildings WITH CHILDREN INSIDE that they ran out of gas, had to get more, and ran out of that. Tear gas does kill children when the concentration is high enough.
As mentioned, there were plenty of opportunities to arrest Koresh peacefully. The Feds deliberately chose to endanger the kids.
>The Bundy ranch is a good example.
Didn't they gun down one guy and arrest everybody else once public interest faded?
That was the year the state violated the NAP
>someone blew up an FBI building
>someone
McVeigh was a hero and did nothing wrong
He was a patsy set up by the FBI, just like they set up terror attacks today.
Because the FBI botched every aspect and killed a lot of kids for literally no reason at all.
mcveigh was drugged up by feds
this
He got this from the FBI
I wish I had answers to your questions. What has really bugged me is why didn't the feds utilize the county sheriff at all in the siege? I've seen a few interviews with the sheriff and according to him they weren't doing anything illegal, and the guy got complaints about the compound a lot and was there a lot. He had a good rapport with Koresh, so why leave the sheriff out in the cold when he was trying to help save lives? I agree with your points that Koresh had agreed to give himself up after releasing the info on the seven seals, but it also could have ended a lot differently if they would have used the sheriff to help them, but they refused. I think they wouldn't let the sheriff in because Koresh would have given him the skinny on what was going down, and the sheriff could have nixed the siege at that point.
They didn't have a shred of evidence and their own informant told them he couldn't spot any illegal weapons before the raid. Fuck off.
That took place about a year later in Oregon.
Fall guy. His federal handlers set up almost all of it.
>Koresh would have given him the skinny on what was going down
There was insane amounts of information control taking place, both during and after the seige had ended.
When evidence disappears, and people won't talk to reporters after something like this happens, you know there is a coverup going down.
The question is, did it go south after the shooting started, or was it always designed to go south?
Writing history is easy when you're the one who owns the printing press.
Man with the election and all the happenings since I'd completely forgotten about this.
I heard some chatter about the compound being a holding location for important people's secret snacks, so the ABCs had to keep the local's out, or they would find connections that might lead back to said important people. Killed all the snacks with fire.
>twisted-truth+projection=newfakenews
because a bunch of federal spooks literally got away with burning people alive
Shut up Lon.
To hide child trafficking. That's why the ATF, FBI, and National Guard units made sure to kill the kids.
The underground bus where the kids were sheltered...they used explosives and grenades to kill everyone inside.
The jap FBI sniper that killed the mother (but missed the baby) at Ruby Ridge was also in Waco picking off people walking out of that Inferno.
It was just more blood on the Clinton's hands.
Government openly, on camera, killing the citizens usually isn't very popular with the citizens.
Koresh was taking in ex-trafficked girls and bill clinton got his AG to allow the FBI to swing their dick around, which they were very keen to do.
Arms trafficking is a red herring, they wouldnt raze the place if there was evidence there they wanted to preserve. This was about human trafficking.
>Why Waco triggers so hard the liberals,
It really doesn't
I've never heard anybody but conservatives/libertarians/pol/ even discuss it
>bill clinton got his AG to allow the FBI to swing their dick around
Bush was in office when Waco started. The Clinton's inherited the problem.
Yeah this. After Ruby Ridge and a couple other incidents the feds wanted to make a big show of coming down hard to get people to think twice about arming their cult or forming a paramilitary group but completely fucked it up in the process. It was absolutely a high risk warrant to serve but a situation doesn't turn into Hamburger Hill unless you have fucked up
knowingly, intentionally burned the fuck alive in a basement. what a terrible way to go.
Absolutely false.
Are you high
My bad. Just checked.
Am now backtracking to find out where I picked up this false info.
Cheers for the wake up call. Will now re-invigorate my fact checking protocols.
(don't want to come across as NPC now, do I?)
>(don't want to come across as NPC now, do I?)
:^|
They knew Koresh's daily habits. He would go out and jog every day/nearly every day on the same route down the road every day. All they had to do was nab him while he was jogging. That wasn't the point, though. They wanted any reason to make this thing into a massive issue to push gun control.
The Davidians bought and sold weapons at gunshows. From what I understand, they didn't actually HAVE explosives. What they had were hollowed out grenades that they'd sell as novelty items ("Pull pin to take a number" boomer humor). They may have had some semi to full auto transitioned weapons but that wasn't even confirmed and not that big of a deal. If not all, the vast majority of their weapons were legal and if any weren't, they weren't anything terribly dangerous like explosives.
They wanted to use the ATF to make Waco into a national issue for gun control. It was probably a proto-school-shooting type event. This is the type of shit they started with.. that fucking husk and her chubby diddling hubby.
Ruby Ridge was under Bush.
>Why Waco triggers so hard the liberals,
Well it doesn't. Janet Reno din du nuffin.
lol.
Found the ref: It backtracks to Jim Marrs, which probably explains a lot (I watch jewtube a lot when I can't sleep).
Yup. Found my input error. (autistic screeching re-engaged).
This, really. They consider themselves morally righteous, so it's okay to murder 80 civilians.
They wanted to kill everyone inside.
>Janet Reno din du nuffin
So why was she shaking in her boots during the enquiry?
Why hasn't /pol located Lon Horiuchi?
She wasnt sure if Schumer was a big enough kike to obstruct justice
ATF shot first. Reno rolled the bean at the thought of dead Americans.they needed a win after they fucked Ruby Ridge.
im really surprised civil war didnt start during this time specially after tthe florida election fiasco with bush
That was nothing compared to the rage now.
I have the banned version of this. Has footage of kids stuck in tank treads, and footage of them setting the building on fire with a vehicle mounted flamethrower.
Bongflag shill is probably posting from Tel Aviv or Virginia USA.
This, unfortunately. It's been known for a LONG time. If any of you fucks work your way up, they will curb you one way or the other.
>Has footage of kids stuck in tank treads, and footage of them setting the building on fire with a vehicle mounted flamethrower.
Take your meds.
If you're hung up on how to feel about it, go back and look at the FBI 'trophy photos' of the FBI standing over charred bodies with a huge grin and a sniper rifle and ask yourself if they look like men who feel regret about murdering innocent people.
>he's not smiling
It's 1 of like 10 and they all took turns taking pics over the dead body they thought no one else was smart enough to see.
People forget just how often police use fire against barricaded suspects that shoot cops. Pic related is Aug. 31, 2001, in Stevenson Ranch, California. Long before Christopher Dorner.
>Bongflag shill
Quality input, friend.
If you haven't worked out by now that the way your government covers it's tracks is by EXACTLY imitating the modus operandi of psychopaths (project/deny/gaslight/conflate) then perhaps this level of discourse on an important historical event is beyond you.
Perhaps there's a Kayne West thread you could be contributing to?
This is what the left can't see because of their echo chamber. They only feel the heat from the left. What they don't grasp or can't grasp is the right is just as mad. All these calls to "get in the face" of politicians is dangerous because all it'll take is one lefty sperg to set things off.
People are not in a good place in America on the left and right. I think we are a lot closer to the edge than we have been in a long time.
I am 42. waco was murder by the goverment because the ATF was about to get their funding cut.. so they needed a high profile bust
I find the 'Clinton child-ring was about to be exposed' theory much more compelling.
/tip
RWDS is exactly what the media wants.
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This is where the US is headed now due to people told to openly be hostile to one another over a hat or sign in their yard. It's going to pop off and we're going to go through 10 years of extremism, real extremism. It's happened before when people let rhetoric only heat the issue and this is what will happen.
Goddamnit user, stop admitting you are wrong and improving and shit, we're sll supposed to act like gibbering confrontational retards in here
That's bullshit but I believe it.
You’re positively glowing.