Religion of the West

read some Nietzsche lad

With its search for truth, which lead it to disprove itself right?
But what should replace it though? Or should we drop it all together in your opinion?

>for attempting to do what you describe

That is your speculation, regarding the reason for the decline.

Even so...

Protestantism promotes Biblicism, that is the no. 1 method of interpreting the bible for Protestants. So they are not changing away from Biblicism.

Like I said though, I'm believe it will rise again (after this decline) to something new. Otherwise it won't survive.

>this is clearly bullshit
>what new bullshit shall we follow?
NPC's, I swear...

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thats a fancy ass bird.

>worshipping faeces instead of God

So progressive

>With its search for truth, which lead it to disprove itself right?

I don't think so.

I think that searching for truth will mean that certain interpretation of Christianity simply will not be considered plausible by the majority (eg. biblicist and clericalist versions), but the other forms of Christianity are compatible with philosophical enquiry, scientific education, biblical scholarship, and near death experience research.

Eg. Peter Enns, Richard Rohr, Ilia Delio, Emanuel Swedenborg, David Bell, David Gushee, etc.

Christianity is growing globally, particularly Catholicism and Orthodoxy. The only thing that's dying are whites.

Self aggrandizing will never spiritually fulfil human beings.

Your bowel is always creating shit, it never stops ever. You can clean your shithole for hours but it's inevitable, you gonna get shit on your dick. Those of you lucky enough to have your foreskin still attached might want to wear a condom unless you like the feeling of shit inside your foreskin. Now before you say, I've watched anal in porn and it looks clean enough, it's called editing you take a 30 minute scene and chances are it took half a day to shoot that fucker. Progressive now ain't it.

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>meme flag
You're suggesting that Christianity alter it's doctrine of biblical inerrancy
The numbers from pew show a correlation between a lack of biblical inerrancy and a decline in membership, because if critical theory is true whats the point?

The Southern Baptist Convention had a conservative resurgence 25 years ago. Before the resurgence, they were on the same track as the United Methodist Church. Look at the two now, after going totally different directions: The SBC is the largest non-catholic denomination in the world while LGBT UMC is limping

Tolerance and diversity, obviously.

Neither of these are necessary, all that is necessary is the growth of balls and a moral spine. Christianity is doing better than ever around the globe, out-competing Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, State-Atheism, etc. The problem is not Christ failing westerners, it's westerners failing Christ. But somehow I think Christ will have the last laugh at westerners and their hedonistic hell of their own invention.

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God that made me angry. I hope they all get aids

And what will? Blind pathological obedience and subjugation?

They will/already have, God will sort them out Cathbro

Nothing says godliness like cutting your dick off and waving a stupid ass rainbow flag.

>What then should the new religion of the west be?

((((They))))) already decided the new religion of the west is Sodomy. faggot parades are the modern equivalent to religious processions.

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>ADHD spacing.
>I meme flag, to avoid the inevitable off topic comments about my nation.

Biblical Inerrancy is not a foundational doctrine.

Also, you can still believe the bible is inerrant, whilst also believing that (like was common in every single religion ever made) that the bible is composed of a mixture of symbolism, allegories, parables, historical accounts, and poetry.

Taking everything in the bible literally, and devoid of historical context = Biblicism.

>The numbers from pew show a correlation between a lack of biblical inerrancy

Please show that.

t. episcopalist/methodist/luterian and many more protestant demoninations who loose thousand of follower per years

I think we are already finding ourselves in a new moral landscape of the information age. Ancient wisdom will be lost in the saturation of information made available to everyone. Thus the moral landscape will come to form around information as symbols. What you know and the information you choose to seek becomes the supreme ethic. This fits in well with the emergence of a consumeristic culture that sees virtue in selecting and collecting symbols they feel represent them.

I don't think this is going to be a good thing. We already see how harmful the avoidance of information about race and intelligence has been to minorities. When you restrict what you know to make yourself acceptable in this new moral landscape it becomes very difficult to address the cause of complicated and uncomfortable issues.

You're not wrong. God works in mysterious ways and there was always a plan

Kek

People are always subjugated to something. Believing otherwise is a grand delusion.

Core values of Benevolence, empathy, compassion, and integrity will.

"Love God and Love Your Neighbour"

"Love one another, as I have loved you."

That life will fulfil any human being...

youtube.com/watch?v=1m5nHXM7DTk

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You've absolutely no clue what you're talking about, sir.
Christianity will go through as reform BACK to the old, contemplative and intellectual ways. Christianity will reject homosexuality, as it once did.

It's not like Nietzche was the first one with this 'revelation', civilizations like the Egyptians, the babylonians, the Assyrians, the Persians, the Greeks and then the Romans eventually all forgot their gods and with great hubris claimed to be divine themselves, before getting crushed by a spiritually stronger people. If God is dead, then so are we...

They all follow Biblicism, (and often Creationism, like at my Church).

It's all part of (((THEIR))) plan

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I have actually read Beyond good and evil. The entire basis of the book is a logical fallacy. It has some good observations about society, but let's also take into account that Nietzsche himself had a breakdown. The man was a mentally unstable turbovirgin, having a mental breakdown at around 50 years of age, confusing himself with the Greek god Dionysus.

> It is clear that Christianity is on its death throes all over the western world, people don't take it seriously anymore and the churches are turning empty.
>What then should the new religion of the west be? Should we stick with what remains of Christianity? Should we even have a religion? Give me your thoughts Jow Forums

This kind of thinking is the problem.

"Things are hard, lets give up".

No, you colossal faggot. When things are hard you suck it up and work harder.

Stop being a lazy cuck, go to church, and encourage the people at your church to stop being lazy cucks too.

If we all do that, our problem will be solved.

>What then should the new religion of the west be?
Islam

The reason they are dying is not theology, it's lack of moral courage and idolatry which is killing Christianity in the west. Just look around you and you can see that it is infected with materialism in the west. Prosperity gospel is just the most radical expression of what western Christianity has been reduced to via the indolence of a supremely rich civilization.

You say that the church need to go to a more contemplative and intellectual tradition.
Well the catholic church did that for thousand of years literally all the catholic doctrine is based on the work of scholars during centuries in university. And today the catholic church is in difficulty.
But the christianity of the future is the one that you see in Africa and South America a new form of evangelism who abandonned the complicated ways of the classic protestant denomination to a more "Legalist and Biblicist" way to use your word.
I think that this kind of christianism will work well in the future in Europe

The future of the world is Islam and Atheism. Africa, the Middle East and Europe will be Islamic, while Asia, Australia and the Americas will be Atheist. Hinduism might survive on the Indian subcontinent.

this

pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/
see for yourself

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What is really going on
>Liberal communities are collapsing under their own irrationality, including Liberal churches and splinters
>hardcore Latin Mass Catholic communities exploding with growth; the more traditional, the stronger the growth
>Same with Jews, Mormons, etc.
>Traditionalists have *massive* fertility advantage; avoid school system, children very highly tend to stay Traditionalists; tendvto force in marriage and reject out marriage
The future will be much more Traditional, Conservative, and religious.
>read Kaufmann book Shall the Religious Inherit the Earth?

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Christianity: Remove Heresy Edition

amen

only going to happen for trad catholics if they alter their theology to allow them to secede from their corrupt leadership

Religion is not key to saving the west.

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Sure, but I create my own terms.
Absolving this responsibility to a third party, like a church, is reprehensible as far as I'm concerned.
Fair enough, mate. I don't disagree. There is something more too it though, those things wont get us to Mars.
Everybody is at least partially different from each other, and even themselves at different ages and locations. People can be driven by a whole spectrum of motivations, some pure evil even. I would argue that this would feel like spiritual fulfilment too.

Prosperity gospel, is a matter of theology.

Does the rain fall on the just or unjust unlike? Or does prosperity = god's favor/blessing?

Also, I don't think that it is purely due to a lack of moral courage and idolatry.

Numerous people deconvert from Christianity, because they don't see how their model of Chrsitianity is compatible with their education (self or formal).

Eg. Creationism vs Evolution. "Gay is a choice" vs the rampant failure of conversion therapy. Old testament historical inaccuracies vs History.

I'm not saying that Christian hypocrisy is not a cause, but I do think (and have observed) that many Christians have difficulty with the philosophical, scientific and historical criticisms of the bible. Along with their own personal encounters of people of other religions, atheists, and sexual orientations.

youtube.com/watch?v=BS5vid4GkEY&list=PLAC3481305829426D&index=1

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Genuine question, do you believe that the average Catholic has embraced the contemplative and intellectual traditions?

This isn't about having 'ruling class' who are contemplating and intellectual, it's about the average Christian becoming contemplative and intellectual (though IMO, the contemplative is far, far more important).

>But the christianity of the future is the one that you see in Africa and South America a new form of evangelism who abandonned the complicated ways of the classic protestant denomination to a more "Legalist and Biblicist" way to use your word.

I don't think that will last, to be honest, as the general literacy, education, and socio-economic conditions of Africa and South America rise.

IMO it's far easier to give Biblicist and legalist verisons of Christianity to uneducated and poor people. Who haven't encounter the challenges and criticisms that education and modernity brings, to that rigid form of Christianity.

No disrespect to them. I'm not advocating that the average Christian becomes a philosopher, but I am advocating a fusion of the intellect and contemplative traditions.

You presented on one side people who the level of biblical literalism, and on the other side the level of church attendance...

That is not how you draw a correlation between those 2 findings.

Putting 2 sets of data side by side, does not create a correlation.

>as the general literacy, education, and socio-economic conditions of Africa and South America rise.
Lol

If that were our sample size this would be correlation
I only selected the largest group from each of those mainline categories, but I shared the link to invite you to investigate yourself

>Latin Mass Catholic

Catholicism is arguably growing due to birth rate (ie. Birth control being forbidden).

Also, it is debatable if Catholicism is growing...

quora.com/Worldwide-is-the-Catholic-Church-growing-or-in-decline

>Let's divide the western world some more and destroy one of its biggest cultural pillars.

Just pull down your pants and bend in front of a mosque, you'll get fucked faster that way.

Can't wait til they start trying doing this with mosques.

I like the Gnostic Christ. It's personal, but also conventional -- which makes sense in a sick world where institutions are undermined. I think this construction of God is great because of its pragmatic approach to the present. There are also great nihilistic elements to the literature that explain NPC culture.

>, those things wont get us to Mars.

Like in the video shows, it's not about getting rid of motivations for ambition or adventure, it's about not having them as the core values of your life. A desire to go to mars, can be primarily driven by a love for humanity and human civilisation, and secondarily a desire for personal accomplishment.

>I would argue that this would feel like spiritual fulfilment too.

Fulfilment is a deep sentiment.

Evil motivations (or even basing our lives around lust) can never give us a sense of fulfilment, only pleasure.

If you've ever gone through a period of your life where you are primarily driven by a desire to get money, power of others, sex, you'll know what countless spiritual teachers have said about 'wordly and flesh desire' ultimately leading to a sense of emptiness, because they put you on a treadmill with a carrot dangling in front of you that you can never eat.

luckily for them, there are no statues of muhammed.

I'd like to see these leftists do something with the Qur'an though

They do enough with it 5 times a day

>If that were our sample size this would be correlation

No, putting those 2 data sets side by side does not suggest a correlation between a lack of belief in biblical literacy and church attendence.

You would need to do a survey (and they create a graph) showing that people who answer lower on a belief in biblical literacy attend church less.

That would then show a correlation.

god that pissed me off. i hope they die from aids. the fact that christians havent lynched these faggots yet is why its dying out in the west. even if people didnt believe in the 1940s, we commanded their respect and their fear if they were gay or niggers

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I believe there has been many people throughout history entirely fulfilled by the pursuit of eradicating other peoples.

I agree with your sentiment but where I feel the ground is hollow is how do you (or anyone) know what constitutes "evil". Ultimately it's up for people to lead their own lives and discover for themselves what satisfies them.

I don't doubt for a minute that there are many sick SOAB's who make a living from wrong ending good/poor people and who are entirely fulfilled in their egocentric motives.

fuck off catholicunt. your pagan roman boy lovers club needs to gtfo

Your political views are as astute as your country's fiscal skills.

>I agree with your sentiment but where I feel the ground is hollow is how do you (or anyone) know what constitutes "evil". Ultimately it's up for people to lead their own lives and discover for themselves what satisfies them.

The age old philosophical and theological question. :-)

I began as a consequentialist, and in some respects I still am. I believe/believed that what is Good is that which brings benefit, and that which is bad is that which brings harm.

However, on a purely materialist/naturalist perspective, that can bring a number of tricky questions.

I'm believe in the spiritual realm though, and I believe that God is Love/Goodness itself (meaning Benevolence, Compassion, Appreciation,), and all Goodness is from God. So what is Good, is intention... Because I believe out intention has a spiritual affect that is more important than the material effect. (I'm not referring to the 'law of attraction' BTW.)

I don't doubt that sociopaths and violent career criminals can experience pleasure, but not fulfillment. Because I believe (and have expeirenced) that fulfilment can only come from Love/Goodness. Pleasure is a very shallow affect, compared to fulfilment.

Although this will be biased, a number of ex evil/bad/corrupt people who turned their lives around, spoke about the sense of emptiness or the fleeting pleasure of their lifestyles.

>Literally no one gave a shit
>Literally
I mean, it's technically true, but that's not what she meant.

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>What then should the new religion of the west be?
Overman worship.

>Should we stick with what remains of Christianity?
Whatever remains of it should be utilized towards the total conversion.

>Should we even have a religion?
Yes. The masses will always need it.

>churches are turning empty.

I go to a Independent Fundamental Baptist church in Minnesota. We're growing like crazy

prick

If Christianity loses its roots, is it atill Christianity?

I believe that Christianity's roots are Jesus and his commandments.

"You will know my disciples, by their love for one another."

He gave us 3 explicit commandments.

Biblicism, Clericalism, and Legalism are not the roots of Christianity IMO.

Again, I'm not advocating 'new age Christianity', I do not advocate New Age/Occult practices mixed with Christianity. I am not against the notion of a Church (I go to Church), or advocating sexual prudence, etc.

What if, in the pursuit (or intent) of benefit, a harm is, brought about? In most cases it appears inevitable. Who then is the arbiter, or judge? My fear in substituting God for your own judgement is mainly based on pic related.
It's based on the quote given to the Inca people's by the conquistadors. Perhaps it's not related, but it's in the name of God so meh
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Forgot to add, Jesus even gave the foundaton for Hermenutics...

Matthew 34-40...

34And when the Pharisees heard that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, they themselves gathered together. 35One of them, an expert in the law, tested Him with a question: 36“Teacher, which commandment is the greatest in the Law?”

37Jesus declared, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’d 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’e 40All the Law and the Prophets depend on these two commandments.”

IMO the above, is explict guidance for the fundamental of Christian interpretation of the bible.

"All the Law and the Prophets depend on these two commandments.”

I believe the above is Jesus telling us what the root of Christianity is.

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We have survived much, much worse

Yep, there is no fool proof way of knowing if the action born from our intention will bring harm or not, due to lack of omniscience.

Again though, what I wrote is very different than believe 'God commands it', the intention is love, not simply believing that God commands something.

Also, for human beings to determine if their own intention is motivated by love or they are deluding themselves, that requires a degree of spiritual maturity (through spiritual development and mentorship). It also requires ruthless self honesty, and empricism (eg. finding out if their is a net harm or benefit. A number of Christians have reevaluated their positon on homosexuality, due to seeing the massive damage that their policies of conversion therapy, ostracization, estrangement, etc have on LGBT+ people. If their intention is love, they will be moved to closely monitor the effects of their actions).

Discernment can never be abandoned. In fact, IMO a focus on intention requires more discernment than a focus on one's actions, because you are dealing with the intangible.

I’m arguing mainly towards the acceptance of LGBT people. Following Christ’s commandments is positive, but Christ does not and has never changed with the times. There’s simply no way that it can be worked into Christianity. Is John 2:1-12 meaningless when he consecrated marriage between 1 man and 1 woman by literally giving is blessing? Also on the same topic, what about Mark 10:6-9? These 3 verses specifically were about divorce, but they can be applied here too. Why should we separate what God in heaven created as natural and what God on earth consecrated as Holy?

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*ADHD brain, I write too fast for my own good... Please forgive my spelling and grammar errors.

I am discussing the radical Traditionalists
>birthrate
The secret to the future

We will still be around millenia after America is a footnote in history lessons

> What then should the new religion of the west be?
> religion top kek

FOR THE EMPEROR

youtube.com/watch?v=fTe3DNkjzUM

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Why worry, God's replacing your civilization. You will be gone soon anyway.

Reading this completely opened my eyes to the disgusting and depraved reality of homosexuality

josephsciambra.com/surviving-gaybarely/

Thanks to the user who posted this on Jow Forums recently. I will never see homosexuality as anything other than extreme mental illness ever again

Yep, I think the natural law argument is a strong one.

I'm assuming you've looked into the Biblical scholarship surrounding the issue of Homosexuality?

If not, I highly recommend the book: Changing Our Mind By David Gushee and God and the Gay Christian By Matthew Vines.

Biblical Scholarship is far more complicated than we have been lead to believe IMO. Translations and context matters.

Like David Gushee says, pre-World War 2 the majority of Christendom was anti-Jewish. They even used to cite bible verse in support of it. Things changed post world war 2, and you are considered a kook if you are a Christian going around using bible verse to encourage other Christians to be against Jews.

Also a question. There is not explict allowance for divorce on the grounds of violent abuse. So do you think it's OK for a someone to divorce their partner if they regularly assault them and their children? If so, how can you justify that, without explicit scriptures? Jesus only said that divorce is OK in the case of adultery.

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Okay, sure. But your lack of omniscience ensures you are forever unable to discern intent in anyone but yourself, and even Freud would disagree you are capable with that.
Even some dictators of history were primarily motivated by love for the country and it's peoples. It leads me to believe that meaning, or fulfilment or whatever you want to call it is entirely exclusive for a need in God, the divine/spiritual or even motivations for good/evil.

>josephsciambra.com/surviving-gaybarely/

I've seen that story.

That is an argument against promiscuity, not homosexuality IMO.

Plenty of straight promiscuous people have similar stories (eg. watch or read about the lives of ex pornstars).

You're fine bud. I take it you've been following the meme that is this guy?

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You clearly completely missed the point of the article then. It's talking about a void of masculinity that gay men can never satiate, try as they might through extremely high risk and depraved sex

Arguments from Natural Law end up putting God on trial and making His law an aspect of human reason. There's a reason Aquinas and the scholastics led directly into the enlightment worship of reason above revealed theology.

you don't need a church to be a christian idiot.

Except it's not called surviving 'promiscuity' is it?

Cocksucker.

>you're instead of your
I'm not even a native speaker but i still managed to get cancer from that.

Mate, did you actually read the Bible? This recent radical decline in Christianity and rise in materialistic secularism is a sign of the approaching end times. There will be a new worldwide religion, but it will be worshiping the antichrist as God, and everyone who refuses to worship him will be slaughtered or shunned out of society.