Is Portland a failure of capitalism? Consider - in the past, Portland was poorer, more insular, and based around industries like logging and shipping. Not many outsiders flocked to Portland, because there simply weren't that many jobs, and locals preferred to hire other locals anyway. Portlanders didn't care about national politics. They considered themselves "Oregonians" above all.
But then, Portland began to become more "successful" economically. First with a "trendy" company like Nike in the 1980's, followed by tech firms and then a flood of other industries, some of them spilling south from Seattle, looking for cheaper Class-A office space. Portland became an economic success, which led to a wave of outsiders from places like Los Angeles moving to the city and shitting it up with their godawful politics.
Now, the native Oregonians are outnumbered in their own city by transplants, and the city is faggier than ever, even as it "enjoys" an economic boom. Had Portland been LESS capitalistic - had it been MORE insular and more HOSTILE to business - it would have avoided this fate.
Capitalists have no response to this, because they damn well know it's true.
Just wait for the big one to destroy Portland, these roaches will flee to other states.
Andrew Hall
oh man it's almost like you have to be willing to compromise on some of your morals if you want to be a successful businessman. if you want the slow comfy life move out to the country, nobody's stopping you. the hustle and bustle will always bring the filth along with the decadence. you get to choose what success means to you, and find a place to live accordingly.
t.born in Oakland (which is what Portland will be in a decade)
I'm guilty of being a transplant in Portland myself, but what really gets to me is that this is a city where I had family and friends growing up and visited all the time. I wanted to come here because I didn't care much for where I grew up and I had friends and people were nice. Now it's giant fuck you where unless your some progressive shithead, you're stuck working in jobs that can't even pay you to live here. I'll be leaving soon, but not too far away. I like Oregon, I don't really want to leave the PNW at least. Once the subduction zone snaps, things will change in an instant. I know that it can't be counted on to happen tomorrow, that 300 year average is just that, an average. It could be tomorrow or 200 years from now. The sooner the better though.
Elijah Gray
I live in Oakland and study music in Berkeley, I shouldn't have to explain all the downsides of these cities to Jow Forums. Does it suck being surrounded by non-whites and commies? Yeah. Does it suck having to hide my powerlevel all the time? Does it suck being surrounded by cucks since you're next to Cal? Yeah. But there are upsides too, there's a reason the liberal shithole cities have such mass appeal. It is nice seeing new buildings added the skyline of your city, getting to see flashy sportscars, having a lot of different good food options. Personally as a musician and particularly a Jazz musician living in a capitalistic economic hub like Oakland gives me access to a thriving music scene right in my neighborhood instead of having to drive for hours just to see or perform a concert. But like I said in my earlier post; I was born here, I didn't choose to come here.
That's probably the worst part about life in a liberal area as a conservative. Most of these new economic centers, like Portland, are full of liberals who have moved to the coast from there landlocked hometowns to live out their socialist fantasy. That creates the liberal echo chamber where you have people making broad assumptions about the entire population's political views, because those views are what brought them here in the first place.
For me, I understand why my parents came here and wanted to live in the East Bay. I understand why people continue to do it, they just value success and happiness differently than I do. That's why I want to move out to Nevada.
TLDR; Capitalism doesn't make a city inherently great, but it does make enough cool stuff to continue that city's appeal.
Christopher Myers
Jow Forums should learn capitalism and neoconservatism are not worth defending and do not actually exemplify any of the values boomers tried to act like were there. The amount of people that still think the invisible hand of the market will give them freedom and improve their lives is laughable. I'm a communist and I still have more respect for the larping nazis on this board that can see how toxic that shit is than for the ancap/libertarian fags here.
Happened to my town in canada. Solid conservative voting for the last six or so decades, except last election when majority here voted liberal for fed election. Place is packed with ontario transplants.
Place used to be comfy, now it's not. Too much demand to live here.
Kayden Williams
>Is Portland a failure Let me stop you here.
Yes
Gavin Cooper
That's certainly true, and I'd add that there are various intangible benefits to being around educated people in general. Part of the modern problem is that something which used to be a background element of a larger personality (one's politics) have become absolutely totalizing for a lot of people, to the point of displacing everything else about themselves. This makes basic conversation impossible if it strays too far from the most mindless and noncontroversial topics.
It was better when Portland was actually "weird" (in the Jim Goad/Jim Spagg/etc. sense) as opposed to monolithically SJW. It's disappointing, since Portland in some sense is punished for doing the right things - the light rail system opened way back in 1986, before light rail was even trendy. It was something nice for the locals, but then outsiders found it "quirky" and appropriated the city for themselves.
Colton Fisher
Heres what actually ruined portland, you point towards economic success, but it wasnt that. It was CALIFORNIANS.
Eli Collins
Same with new york. People think its a super liberal utopia when really all thr old school Italian and Irish vote straight red. We are blue because of immigrants and pink haired transplant fucks from Iowa
Hudson Sanchez
The lowering of corporate tax rates is the capitalist agenda .Declining white birth rates and open borders is a product of this. The nutbars and fruit cakes endorsing the capitalist pigs that ruin the country. Don;t call them commie`s no more . Call them Capitalist pigs.
Dominic Adams
Cancun even moreso. In the seventies it was a fishing village of like 100 people. Are they all hotel millionaires now?
So bunch of democrat maniacs fucked up a beautiful and prosperous city with "progressive" bullshit and now the democrat maniacs like OP point like a monkey and ook "capitalism bad"
Joseph Watson
It's not that bad. Bullshit never stands. The suburbs are some of the best in the country, and I've lived all over.
It is gonna have some brutal blight when the city property bubble hits. Normal houses are $1,000,000 in the right neighborhoods, and most people work in service or nebulous middle class jobs. No way they can buy a house, so it's gonna be rough when no one can buy a sandwich.
Wyatt Miller
The question is what brought all those "progressives" to town in the first place. The answer is "economic development."
Nolan Brown
There's no way to stop other American citizens from moving in and appropriating shit though...you'd basically have to have an "immigration" service to screen out non-native Portlanders (Portlandians? I don't know what you call yourselves) and control the "borders." But would the federal government; or hell, even the state government; put up with that kind of thing? Can you even do that, tell other American citizens that they can't move into your city if they weren't born there?
