Gene Therapy is Our Biggest Threat

There is nothing intrinsically wrong with gene editing. If humanity has any chance to survive, long-term, we will need to improve our biology, either directly or through symbiotic relationships with other organisms.

The ability to produce our own vitamin C, for instance, would be fantastic. Fixing issues like food intolerances, allergies, degenerative diseases...

Long term, we could give ourselves things like antimicrobial compounds in our saliva or cells in our fingertips that can sense electromagnetic fields (like the ones sharks have in their snout) or even the ability to photosynthesize.

>about preserving strength and intellect in the human race.
retard - after germline editing we won't be human in any view of what a species in. We will be separated from our evolutionary history and become a scientific concoction and most humans produced will be souless golem.

You're a trans humanist genetic cuck. Your deepest desire is to see human genetics replaced because you have no biological drive to power.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_disabled_human_pseudogenes
WNT3A pseudogene, associated with the growth of a tail[1]
NCF1C pseudogene, associated with a type of white blood cell.[2] It makes part of the neutrophil NADPH oxidase enzyme, which makes superoxide anion.[3]
GULO pseudogene, associated with the production of Vitamin C
IRGM pseudogene, associated with the immune system[4]
hHaA pseudogene, associated with fur-like body hair[5]: see hypertrichosis
DEFT1P pseudogene, associated with the immune system[6]
Urate oxidase pseudogene, associated with the processing of uric acid
Photolyase pseudogene, associated with repairing DNA damaged by UV radiation
Photolyase is no longer encoded for despite obvious advantages.[7] Instead, this gene is mutated to encode for cryptochromes.

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Spoopy times

>Let's just do some germline editing without knowing all the repercussions
We don't fully understand how genes interact with one another.

Also, the 86 Chinese who got a gene associated with cancer removed should be sterilized. In my view they should not be considered human and cannot be allowed to reproduce. We have no idea how all genes interact.

Who cares? If Man becomes a race of demigods who the fuck cares?

The point isn't that we should be doing it willy-nilly, the point is that it's too powerful a tool for human survival to not study it thoroughly.

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they dont want demigods to exist because they who refuse genetic editing will be inferior beings that will live off of the genetically altered's scraps

>a race of demigods
As I said, germline editing is dangerous because we don't know how genes interact.

On top of that "Man" will not be a race of demigods. "Man" will be dead the moment the last biohuman dies. You have some fantasy about planetary colonization at the cost of your own genetics. and the funny thing is the humans "colonizing" would be sexless, low IQ slaves if not all killed if if AI got powerful enough

>hurr intelligence is determined by just a fre genes that i can switch in and cure my retardation
It's literally hundreds of complex interrelated genes and latent epigenes you dumb nigger. Have fun getting killed by Science©

Im pleased to see some students of uncle ted posting lately on this board and on /lit/.... do you have discord? I am trying to link up with some others to discuss anarcho primitivism, ted's writing, etc. I see you've read hit them where it hurts.

To be honest I can't wait for the con artists like alex jones with super male vitality selling crispr kits for the dick that give erectile disfunction as non advertised side effect.

Do you shed a tear that there are no Neanderthals or Homo Erectus around?

"Human survival"

It's human genetic annihilation. Any germline freak should be denied human rights and gotten rid of. As biohumans we have no reason to sit back and let our genetics be destroyed.

Saying it’s dangerous and should be done cautiously to avoid breaking humanity is one thing.

Thinking there is literally any inherent worth is a particular configuration of genes is retarded. No matter how many times you yell cuck.

Genetic remnants of them are you retard. Gene editing means wiping our original genes.

If you want to be a species traitor you might as well castrate yourself and tell the doctor to fix you up a baby in an artificial womb, since you wanna be sexless so bad.

You have a biological drive to preserve YOUR genes. This will not only destroy your genes but also reduce the new non-humans into sexless, low IQ, retard slaves. It is the worst kind of immoral. Nobody is as immoral as the medical ethicists saying there is a debate to be had.

you guys are obsessed with your grandpas genes being passed on. its kind of homoerotic desu. good luck with your cancers and downs syndrome you fucking future mongoloids. leaving the genetic structure of future humans to god and nature is like purposefully drinking while pregnant

it's a shortcut to ultimate genetic superiority, and it's going to happen sooner or later. in the meantime we still need to think about our own genetic stock and our own culture so that we have a chance of obtaining these things when they do exist. otherwise we'll always be an underclass.

The Genus Homo will move ahead whether we actively participate in the process of selection or not.

This is like complaining that your OS ceases to function because you downloaded an update.

What downside is there to being able to produce your own vitamin C like almost all other mammals do? Tell me.

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This ‘Abolition of Man’ slave race garbage is only one possible use of gene editing. There is zero reason it couldn’t be used for good.

I don't have a discord but I'm glad too - I wish he wrote more

ceases to EXIST*
not function.

>literally any inherent worth
How do you think animals inherit their non-taught behaviours. Genetic memory is real. Our relationship with our environment has effects on gene expression and methylation that get carried on. Just because you have been divorced from your sense of ancestry does not make it fake.

When you say "Im glad too" are you saying you are gonna get discord? Or are you saying you were glad to have read that essay? I agree I wish he wrote more, you could probably send him a letter if you want but that probably puts you on a list.

Do you have any other form of communication we could use to chat if you won't get discord? I have seen enough posts on ted k and primitivism lately that I think there is enough people to form a small discussion group which would be really nice.

this is one reason why i'm disturbed by decrease of whites in STEM fields. who will develop this tech first? they'll have the absolute advantage. people don't even understand what's at stake.

fuck you faggots i want cyborg eyes and genetically modified to have wings do not ruin this for me!

we're talking about our own genes.
>leaving the genetic structure of future humans to god and nature is like purposefully drinking while pregnant
Lol! your saying if we don't do anything humans will die out but if we take your suggestion humans DO die out for sure. Our genetics will cease to exist.

nope. If this happens there is no "We"

The downside is it's not us. It's not something we've developed over millions of years of trial and error. It makes life worthless and makes caring worthless.

Are you seriously saying that if the technology exists it won't be used for that? Does technology ever turn out as intended? They'll start by saying "it's immoral to not allow gene editing for people with predisposition to cancer" (already are) and it'll snowball from there

What is the abolition of man? Changing even a single gene is enough to make you not human in my eyes. Not even the worst scenario has to happen for the abolition of man to take place.

There’s two arguments going on here.

Saying we shouldn’t alter genes unless we know EXACTLY what we’re doing is reasonable. No one wants to pollute the gene pool with unintended consequences.

Saying it just shouldn’t be done is stupid.

Why you believe that editing will be done for your own good?

>If Chinese can edit genes to become Aryans.
why are Jow Forumstards so fucking delusional that they think the Chinese would actually want to make themselves white? The Chinese currently can barely make 1 in 40,000 edited embryos viable, edited babies or gene therapy are really fucking far away, so I don't know why Jow Forums buys the popsci meme that gene editing is already within our grasp. I blame popsci media for pushing the false idea that crispr is literal magic

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Some people believe that the first immortal person has already been born. I was in this transhumanist IRC one time and I saw a bunch of biochem people and neurologists talking excitedly about how the CEO of this one company had undergone an experimental gene therapy (or something) to lengthen or shortened her telomeres. These scientists really believed she was the first immortal person.

>this is just like Harry Potter
Fucking kill yourself. This is not just like whatever retarded fantasy comparison you need to make in order to comprehend it. This is what it means to be a human, inheriting the trials of your ancestors and having the weak die naturally so the strong can rise to the top. You faggots think we can overwrite human nature, the sum of our past and present failures without consequences and it's painfully dumb to witness. Short sighted retards ITT

The tech is already out there and they've literally started doing it. China's ethics board accepted CRISPR in an afternoon. What's at stake? Nothing and everything. If whites have a monopoly on the technology we still get genetically destroyed.

>Harry Potter
What the fuck are you talking about?

fashbot galaxy or gtfo, fleshwad

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You are a religious fanatic. Fuck off and stop trying to have this fake conversation with me. There is literally NO WAY to know the consequences. We are still learning about the effects on genetically modified soil microbes let alone human beings. China is a country of short sighted technophile micromanagers that will turn the world into a grey paste.

it should not be done. Your view of benefits is "muh no cancer" have you ever thought that cancer is more common due to our conditions in industrial society? "Muh suicide is genetic" yet we don't try to alleviate the rise of suicide. You want to edit man because you think it will make things better. In reality it makes things worse. It removes you from evolution which even strikes awe in an atheist. There will be no purpose to life and most likely edited humans would be too stupid to even understand what life is or could be.

lol Chinese already did germline editing on 86 people this year

exactly - it's like people who want a totally rational computer to run things but they don't realize irrational humans will have built that computer (or the computer that built it)

genetically improved.

Your dumb and gay brain

It's probably a threat to (you). Let's take Jow Forums's most sacred piece of psudeo science - race and IQ. You guys believe that intelligence is mostly genetic and inheritable (despite no BIOLOGICAL studies ever being done to prove this). You also believe that Africans, on average, are less intelligent than Europeans who are in turn less intelligent than Asians. If genes for intelligence are found and they are shown to be more prevalent in certain races and ethnicities its no big deal. We can simply use gene editing to make everyone smarter.

The problem with this is that it would dismantle the "scientific" basis of your racism. If Blacks are genetically made the intellectual equal of whites you can't say that they're inferior to (you). Aren't found then it proves that muh Bell Curve is simply the White supremacist equivalent of a hail mary. In addition this is most likely to be implemented in China first since they are have surpassed the West in this area and have less moral restrictions on what can and can't be done to people.

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technophilia is like a religion. No other endeavor could get people to sacrifice their genes so readily and happily.

I haven't even watched the Harry Potter movies, so I have no fucking idea why the fuck you think I'm even remotely referencing them.

Destroyed you nog. maybe .0001% get "improved" by some subjective metric. But they get genetically destroyed because they are separated from the line of their ancestors and cease to be what they were. They become non-human. the rest of the edited humans will be sexless low IQ slaves.

I'll state this very clearly. If you are concerned about the misuse of genetic technology, about the possibility of subhuman worker classes, of godlike superiors, in short of the clustering of this technology into the hands of a small cabal who proceed to turn man into something monstrous, you have my sympathies.

If however you're concern is some idea of racial purity or that 'humanity' refers to some inviolable result of direct replication [ignoring the reality of genetic drift] or that we have a moral obligation to accept inferiority, you can go fuck yourself right now. You are stupid, you are wrong, you should not have a say in these things.

This is ignoring that genetic engineering is literally the only humane solution to the nigger problem. The only alternative is genocide and mass sterilization, so by this point being against gene-editing is being pro gassing the whole of Africa, and maybe India for good measure.

anyone in control of this tech has no reason to share it. people will shamelessly, desperately, and with all their might and power fight for control of this tech, and horde it as long as they can.

... China is currently in the process of taking over Africa. If anyone would edit out MAOA and CDH13 in African populations, it would be the Chinese.

Actually I'm a Christian. It has nothing to do with technophilia and everything to do with trying to help Mankind. I am of course extremely concerned over the possibility of misuse of this technology, but the idea we simply shouldn't cure diseases or increase intelligence and physical fitness, especially for the 'lesser' races is insane. It amounts to putting some mystical ideal of human purity over actual human beings and their welfare.

Saying nonsense like 'If you edit one gene' you're no longer human is pure nonsense. It sounds like racial science from the late 1800s, and has no place in the modern day field.

The best thing that can be said about them is they know not what they do. I believe one of your countrymen once said the same.

You don't get it, we will all become subhumans if the tech get out. It will be sold as improvement and then you end up as a sterile retard fit only to work and then die.

Imagine if we had to have the EPA sign off on an environmental study before the nuclear bomb tests.

This is why your descendants will be asian.

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>there have been no studies linking genetics and IQ
Wrong
>we can simply use gene editing to make everyone smarter
Just because we can identify a causal relationship between certain polymorphisms and intelligence between races does not mean that swapping the respective races genes will have the same result. Intelligence has some heritability but it is in concert with hundreds of other genes, maybe environmental epigenes related to travel away from the cradle of civilization.

By the standard of "edit one gene and you're no longer human", anyone who has ever been infected by a retrovirus is no longer human.

this is why genetic heritage is such a big thing now. they're collecting genetic data under false pretenses.

>Genetic Engineering will create a race of Low IQ Soulless people!
Lolwut, you do understand that this will be done voluntarily right? What parent is going to chose to make their kid a autistic robot with Low Iq? Genetic Engineering will create a species more intelligent than us, healthier than us, more beautiful than us etc. Basically all of the positive human traits we desire will be amplified, and the negative traits reduced significantly.

InB4
>the Jews will force everybody to be Low IQ!

it's obvious as can be. we're looking at the endgame here.

all the sources I can find say that these germline editing experiments are unsuccessful, with results including many random mutations and the lowest failure rate for gene passing being 50%. that's really fucking bad, if they did actually do this on 86 people then 86 people just fucked themselves. It sounds to me like you're being melodramatic and blowing this way out of proportion. These experiments are a literal nothingburger if the average failure rate is 85%

I'm making fun of your need to make comparisons with completely unrelated and uncomparable things to describe reality -- it's sad. Leftists do this with Harry Potter and politics. Hope that clears it up for your autism

it's a threat to every race. I am not talking about IQ or genes linked to cancer. I am talking about any editing of genes being the destruction of our evolutionary process.

>You are stupid, you are wrong, you should not have a say in these things
you're so short sighted. Technology always starts out acting like it's saving us and then it turns out to destroy us. Once this technology exists it is inevitable it will be used to turn the majority of people into a slave race. Your retard fantasy of creating demigods to colonize space shouldn't mean anything to you because your genetic trace on humanity will have been long gone.

>a moral obligation to accept inferiority
LOL! Tell me what is so superior about your sexless genes you'll get? It's so great that everybody will be a low IQ slave! And don't fool yourself, that is what will happen and you know it. And we, as humans, are inferior If we lose out in evolution. Genetic editing means we lose.

>IF THEY'RE SMART THAT MEANS WE SHOULD LET THEM IN

this merit meme needs to die and so do you. fucking kys.

all i want is a stake in the future, but nobody around me seems to have their eye on the ball. it's really, really depressing.

Poorfags will be the new niggers once the upper caste become literal demigods.

Don't confuse material vanity with actual welfare. Cucks like yourself propping up lesser races are responsible for there billions of third worlders in a constant struggle for survival instead of millions of them.

I draw the hard line at human editing (it is of course arbitrary) because it is us playing God at a price we don't know. And retrovirus is not a good argument because it is not passed on to offspring.

I'll buy a hi point now so when I'm the new nigger I'll be ready

>Similes and metaphors are BAD!
I'm sorry, I wrongfully assumed you weren't a complete retard.

>Keeps waffling back and forth between 'We shouldn't do it because muh humanity' and 'We shouldn't do it because it will be used for evil'

Which is it? Tell me, if this technology could be used for good, if we somehow knew it would have no negative conquences, say God Himself descended from the sky on a float of scientific beakers and told us "Edit your genes, it'll work out fine", would you accept that? In short, is your contention purely that you think its inevitable it will be misused, or do you think its wrong to use it even if you KNEW it wouldn't be?

>the jews would bring hoards of niggers to europe
>start world wars
>create their own ethnostate and let no one contaminate it
>try to turn everyone else into cattle
but
>trust me goy, this time with genetics, they will be different

wow, just wow

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>your descendants will be asian
says the guy who wants his descendants to be some random assortment of genes selected by a committee.

We fly through the air on chariots of fire.

We landed a four wheeler on the Moon.

We've basically 86'd the two most prominent aspects of the Curse [pain in childbirth and difficulty in obtaining food]

If acquiring power is 'playing God' we jumped that shark a long time ago.

>I draw the hard line at human editing (it is of course arbitrary) because it is us playing God at a price we don't know.

don't be a cuck. what's the price of getting left behind? homo sapiens are the most advanced species on earth, but soon they won't be. and you'd miss out on a piece of that?

>chinks doing anything right

It's for GWAS. They need control populations to compare for their cases.

what in the illegal butterknife are you talking about, dd you reply to the right person?

Lol holy shit you're insecure. Nobody with a brain would use a simili to describe genetic engineering. Brianlet

>Done voluntarily
Are you serious? They role it out by saying "Get rid of the genes that lead to a high chance of cancer!" then it's "It would be a public health oversight to not force all people with genes X, Y, and Z to remove them." then "We can remove inequality by getting rid of attraction as new studies show people are treated differently based on their attraction" and then finally "We'll pick the genes"

So then you'd be fine with engineering symbiotes, then? We wouldn't be change our own genome, but making, say, a kind of yeast that lives in our intestines and excretes vitamin B12 for us to absorb.

they did it in China where they literally don't care. And yes - I am afraid those 86 did fuck themselves and will possibly spread those genes if they marry

and you say it's a nothing burger now but it is fast approaching

This will be led by rich people deciding their kids shouldnt get cancer.

Now the NHs or whatever cucked system you have... you results my be niggers.

But honestly, after you let your country get so shitty, do we want your cuckgenes?

I 100% think it will be misused (by your metric)
AND
I think it is immoral and I hope all the bioengineers working on this feel deep pain in their lives

>bioengineer humans in a specific way
>release a virus that wipes out said humans
lel, I can almost imagine shlomo creaming himself

how would I miss out? I miss out if my genetic remnants die out. Life beyond death comes through spreading genetics. I have no stake in some disgusting semi-human race slaving away on some far away planet

it's mostly about improving their int. it takes a lot of energy to power a big brain, and for the entire history of life on earth, energy was the big constraint. that's no longer the case. we can eat ourselves to death if we wanted. i'm guessing human intelligence can be improved drastically with just a few adjustments.

I'm American

Based and redpilled

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He’s right you know. The future is fucked btw.

You haven't explained why this is bad.

Your first point is a very real concern.

Your second point is sheer bullshit. As I noted, transhuman technologies are the only humane solution to the browning of the world. We can't sustain three billion people with IQs of 85 or lower. Those races need a brain-lift or civilization will either get overrun by orcs or commit the greatest massacre in the history of humanity.

that's why current pop culture trends favor subordination and gullibility. humanity will diverge and anyone not on the boat will be fucked six ways from sunday