“The Nazis were leftist because socialism!”

That being said, Hitler wanted socialism for Germans ONLY, within national boundaries. While objectively superior to communist (international) socialism, it is the same principle in play (excessive and improper state control under central authority where force is used to maintain compliance). It's still shit, just a different color and consistency of fecal matter.

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You’re wrong. The Nazis actually invented the process of privatization to get more support from the wealthy businessmen in Germany. If you’re referring to state mandates during wartime affairs, then by your own logic there’s conceptually little to no difference between any of the axis or the allied powers. Don’t forget the United States federal withholding income tax was designed to fund world war 2, and domestic industries were reequipped for war materiel purposes ubiquitously.

Your point can get distilled down to claiming any government is bad. All governmental authority in every human society has relied upon the threat of force, and following your logic, human society should self organize along the lines of lone individuals bartering with one another.

Ww2 British citizens had to register to purchase food due to the rationing system. That settles it boys, ww2 Great Britain= SOCIALIST xD checkmate!

also stop using corporatism, corporatism has a totally different meaning than what you used it for (actual corporatism is an inherent tenet of NatSoc and fascism)
retards who don't know what they are talking about, go back Jow Forumst_d please and go masturbate to your le based black trannypedes

Every viable society for the past few hundred years has been partially “corporatist” in the domestic sense, true, but this is certainly a talking point of international/multinational corporatists since domestic corporatism is nationalistic.

National socialist economics are at heart pragmatic, although it respects private property. However, NatSoc is "anti-capitalist" in the sense that it opposed laissez-faire capitalism and advocated for a regulated market economy which kept degenerate products from getting on the market as degeneracy will be promoted by capitalists if it is profitable. Similarly to fascism (they are different ideologies, yes), it made to ensure that the market is fully suited to work in the interests of the nation.
There was a left-wing within the early NDSAP, the Strasserists, although they were purged and Hitler nor many other NatSocs believed in their ideas. They advocated semi-Marxist ideas of workers seizing power and establishing collective ownership of various institutions, although I believe they were not fully interested in totally abolishing private property.

I should add that economics were never the priority for Hitler or the NDSAP anyway, outside of getting Germany out of debt and re-establishing a functioning economy. That is why I said they were pragmatic.

>caring about economics as this point
Who gives a shit at this point? The only thing that matters is that invaders need to fuck off and kikes need to be gassed.

You know nothing about fascism if you think it is ‘right wing ideology’. Fuck off antifag

NPC

Thats NPC talk

Naziboos are pathetic. The state had every right to dissolve and redistribute resources as it saw fit. The entire system of governance was designed for state Primacy, Sure, the Nazis saw fit to lavish their worker drones with a few "rights" but the State maintained every single point at every single turn that if you displayed disobedience you were dealt with harshly.

Your point about state mandates are false when Germany's state was using them before the War. Tell me; Why did many of the top business owners in Germany turn out to be Nazi party members after the Republic dissolution? Because the Nazis took control of the economy, there was not a single non-Government sanctioned business in Germany.

Nazi Germany was full of Sycophancy towards Hitler and the upper echelons because being privy to Hitler's shit meant you profited better.

npc
>Naziboos are pathetic
what are you? a lolberg or a "classical liberal"?
>the state had every right to dissolve and redistribute resources as it saw fit
Ye that's the point of NatSoc and fascist economics, regulating the economy to prevent profits being made from products harmful to the nation and directing funding to areas that needed it.
>The entire system of governance was designed for state Primacy
Your point?
>the Nazis saw fit to lavish their worker drones with a few "rights" but the State maintained every single point at every single turn that if you displayed disobedience you were dealt with harshly
Any government can do that. Its called "breaking the law".
>Your point about state mandates are false when Germany's state was using them before the War. Tell me; Why did many of the top business owners in Germany turn out to be Nazi party members after the Republic dissolution? Because the Nazis took control of the economy, there was not a single non-Government sanctioned business in Germany.
Its called a war economy. You also have to remember that Germany was also getting itself out of the Weimar Republic's debt and re-establish stable living conditions for the average person (and successfully did) just a few years before the war.

Hehe xD owned those Nazi leftists tonight fellow Shapiro viewer! Did you watch last weeks Louder with Crowder?

National SOCIALISM!
ENOUGH SAID!

>Ye that's the point of NatSoc and fascist economics

Yeah, NatSoc is blatantly Socialist and destructive of individual rights. If you actually want to live in a Tyranny where some useless bureaucrat decies what brand of toothpaste you put on your mandated toothbrush during your mandated morning wash time, you are literally the definition of an NPC.

Nazi germany did nothing but increase the Weimar Republic's dead and then basically ignored it, hence creating an unstable economy that needed constant resource expansion.

Because it turns out, letting guys you like run sectors of the economy instead of guys that are good at it leads to bad choices.

National socialism is Third Positionist anyway, rejecting both Socialism and Capitalism.

And for the Record, I am a classical Liberal, as it's the only political ideology flexible enough to not demand total government overlordship or mad max distopian anarchy in order to function and allows sensible shifts in a conservative or more open economic and social plans.

National Socialism is Stalinism with an ethnic instead of classiest flavor. They both function as cults of personality and both syphon the resources of people to fund their overarching failures of social planning.

Your point seems easily distilled down to an argument for a stateless society. American mutineers during the American revolution, for instance, were often shot. That’s all for the glory of the state! That’s socialism! America has always just been a socialist country, where the state has maintained primacy through its forceful authority system. That’s leftism!

On a serious note, the Nazis certainly didn’t punish any and all dissent at all. That notion is completely false. You can’t conflate the night of the long knives with the entirety of all dissent or disagreement.

Actually, the reverse is true, in the sense that the state was tolerant enough to the point were multiple plots against hitler were allowed to foment owing to the assumption of good faith (in the conspirators).

Also my point about state mandates is simply true. They “used them” as you put it for the war. And using that as a talking point can get turned against you for any state apparatus in human history.

Yes goy, lets also abolish the FDA and any and all regulatory apparatus. Don’t let anyone make the choice for you what’s good or what’s bad. There’s nothing wrong with being able to turn a profit selling heroin, goy. Don’t allow the state to control you, if there’s a market for heroin and young nubile anal slaves who are THEY to presume to tell you that’s bad? Enjoy yourself, and remember to watch Jordan Peterson’s next critique of those evil nationalists!

>Socialist
I didn't know I was speaking with a boomer. When "dih gubbermint" does stuff, that isn't socialism. Private property existed and was going to preserved in the Reich, small businesses which made profits existed across the nation. Socialism abolishes private property and replaces it with collective ownership. Actually, according to socialists NatSoc would be capitalist because any system that maintains private property is capitalist according to socialist theory.
>destructive of individual rights
Rights are subjective. There are rights you will agree with and rights you disagree with. Although I'd like some examples of the individual rights that were destroyed.
>If you actually want to live in a Tyranny where some useless bureaucrat decies what brand of toothpaste you put on your mandated toothbrush during your mandated morning wash time
Market competition is permitted, there would be multiple toothpaste brands (nice strawman though). The state and the corporatist system would only interfere when a business is trying to make a profit off something that can harm the nation's society (eg: extremely slutty clothing or sex toys).
>your mandated toothbrush during your mandated morning wash time, you are literally the definition of an NPC
nice ad hominem, faggot
The real NPC is the faggot regurgitating jewish-funded propaganda to make conservatives dislike Hitler because "he was an evil socIAyalist xD"
NatSoc Germany actually had far more liberty than many democratic states at the time.
>Nazi germany did nothing but increase the Weimar Republic's dead and then basically ignored it, hence creating an unstable economy that needed constant resource expansion
That's a lie
>Because it turns out, letting guys you like run sectors of the economy instead of guys that are good at it leads to bad choices
Never happened and not a part of NatSoc economics, that's called nepotism

The fact people were so afraid to point out to Hitler his failings in military matters or economic matters "let's spend our resources on big angry tanks that the Americans defeat using tank destroyers or the Russians defeat using several smaller tanks"

Or my favorite one, Not allowing Germans to reverse engineer spitfires because the comments of the Luftwaffe saying he prefers those planes to the German ones.

>The Nazis did not punish dissent

What are all the full Aryan Germans sent to work camps?

You can't turn any talking point against me, Because Nazi Germany was a NatSoc Society, and NatSoc societies are entirely run by an overarching state with a charismatic figurehead nobody wants to cross.

And as a final point to your stupidity

>Hurrr duuuur u no want state

Complete opposite on what I am saying, at no point did I say no state, I said no state run by a single party that runs like a fucking cult.

>global capitalism
>some billionaire half a world away owns the local forest you grew up exploring
>not allowed in, picking some flowers is legally stealing, fencing erected that partially destroys some of the forest.
>same billionaire buys the land that has your water supply.
>cuts off the supply and sells it to you at exorbitant prices

>global communism
>the forest belongs to the people, including the millions of immigrants let in that have no respect for somewhere that's not considered home.
>water supply belongs to the people, arrested for bucketing up some water to wash with, exceeding your daily drinking quota
>water is shared across the populace, massive wastage because it's free and not my problem

Some things should be owned by the people/government and others should be privatized. There's a big difference between owning your own plot of land and some billionaire owning thousands of acres that nobody else is allowed to step foot in

So basically

>Nazi germany was not Real nat-Socialism!

Because Nazi germany was a poorly run shitheap with a thin layer of extravagance

>I am a classical Liberal
I bet you're a Liberalist(TM) too, praise Sargon!
>National Socialism is Stalinism with an ethnic instead of classiest flavor
Funny joke, do you even know what Stalinism is? Because you've already demonstrated you don't even understand what socialism is.
>The fact people were so afraid to point out to Hitler his failings in military matters or economic matters "let's spend our resources on big angry tanks that the Americans defeat using tank destroyers or the Russians defeat using several smaller tanks"
>Or my favorite one, Not allowing Germans to reverse engineer spitfires because the comments of the Luftwaffe saying he prefers those planes to the German ones.
Are we arguing economics or war strategy here? Hitler made LOTS of strategic mistakes, this hasn't got anything to do with economics.
>I said no state run by a single party that runs like a fucking cult
Because liberal democracy works so well, examples: modern society and Weimar Republic

Nice ad hominem, where did I say that. Or are you still trying to argue NatSoc is socialist?
I bet you think antifa are the real fascists as well and Israel is our greatest ally

Gentile, the philosopher behind fascism said fascism is the most workable form of socialism. Now fuck off back to Iraq shitskin

Funny, since the economics of classical liberalism are rooted in Adam Smith (wealth of nations) who makes statements under the presupposition that people in a nation would “naturally” prefer domestic production and enterprise over foreign enterprise in the aforementioned work. David Ricardo, another classical economist associated w classical liberalism claims any state interventionism is bad under the presumption capital is immobile (presuming capital will stay within a particular state or area) which has changed since the advocacy of laissez faire economics, capital controls, and currency controls. In other words, the economic presumptions upon which classical liberalism rests have been entirely done away with for decades and will not come back without some form of collectivism, as has been the case historically in every instance of a subverted people.

You think you are making rational points, but they rest upon presuppositions which haven’t really been the case since at least the 1970s, or arguably since the civil war ( which removed secession as a viable exit to an oppressive apparatus )

Nationalism isn't left or right, look at China. SUPER nationalistic but also retarded (Communist)

>hate this line of thinking
Only leftists hate thinking.

shill thread
this was from a reddit leftist thread, even the ironic che guevara npc
theyre trying to do the same shit you cunts did to them,
you know what to do

Wooh, this thread is filled with sarcucks, angry mutts and britfags as expected....

Holy shit you are pathetic.

First, you think funding the tiger II project wasn't an economic choice than fucked over many smarter and more effective Military projects simply because Hitler hated the idea of the Tank Destroyer and preferred the poetic ideal of a tank representing the pyre Aryan Knight.

Every point of "innovation" you can use for Germany, you can look at America and see how America utterly smashed apart Germany when it comes to economic rejuvenation and productive growth.

You're arguing very specific economic points here, which also apply to National Socialism, to the point where the State needs to step in and rigidly enforce preference for domestic production and enterprise and claim anything else is conspiracy against the state, like they did against British Automotive interests.

The fundamental core of Classical Liberalism, that the State is subservient to the people and it exists to be a measure of checks and balances, not a ruling class, is entirely valid in today's age and in fact more needed than ever.

>Can't defend against basic arguing points
>Resorts to buzzword spam

Typical NPC. You want the state to control you.

Nazis did enact quite literal socialist policies and local industrial leaders & capitalists even wrote complaint letters to various foreign diplomats about these enacted policies.

Labor camps were largely jews and people classified as gypsies. Your claim of oppressive punishment of dissent is just insubstantial, and you’re neglecting to recognize the sheer popularity of naziism, and hitler. Any nascent state is a cult by your metric. You’re fixated on small details that run directly parallel to the same societies you wouldn’t consider “left wing” or “socialist” since you’ve been manipulated. That’s hard for someone who’s been hit with linguistically contrived (rather than derived) points to realize, but if you analyse the history you’re entirely off base.

So you're saying if I owned a farm in Nazi germany, and openly disapproved of Nazi Germany, the state wouldn't take away my farm?

You're a fucking loon and you're just trying to dismiss my points, not argue against them.

Except that the only shill here is you, trying to push away what we should be proud of, the fuck out with your weak passivism and insecurity, just because faggots are constantly bashing us for doing the right thing doesn't mean that we are the faggots and we did it wrong.

Can you source me the quote from his actual work because the only sources I can find online are from PragerU, who are pro-Zionist cuckservatives.
>Holy shit you are pathetic
The NPC resorts to name-calling when confused
>First, you think funding the tiger II project wasn't an economic choice than fucked over many smarter and more effective Military projects simply because Hitler hated the idea of the Tank Destroyer and preferred the poetic ideal of a tank representing the pyre Aryan Knight.
That's a strategic decision, it doesn't have to do with the economic theory of NatSoc or proves that it is socialism.
>America and see how America utterly smashed apart Germany when it comes to economic rejuvenation and productive growt
give some examples

“Specific” economic points are naturally what one would argue when refuting your claims.

Both the United States and the British rigidly enforces domestic preference to develop their own advantage over superior foreign production in the 1800s, but I’m sure you didn’t know that, because you are seemedly not very well read.

nah fair call just had a bong bit paranoid
this is entertaining as fuck

Try give actual refutations instead of throwing ad hominems, your NPC is showing lolberg :^)

Also, german production really performed quite well during the war. It’s also a novice mistake to assume the Germans were fixated on only producing wunderwaffe, for example, the stug assault gun was by far the most common “tank” of the war.

I agree. orange hair blumf bad.

I am saying exactly that, correct. Your presuppositions are totally off base.

It's more of a monarchy, and that's better than any jews you had controlling you imo, moite!

>socialism is merely the idea that the wealth produced in a society should be used to benefit society as a whole

Lol

stay out of it faggot, let them argue

Abolish the state, goy! All state apparatuses are oppression, and we here at PragerU (TM) are coming out with a video on this soon, get ready to watch!

Yeah moite you're roit, it's the wrong thread for me anyways.

Too many alt right brainlets watching Stefan memewew
Truth is that socialism was great in homogeneous societies. The man sacrifices for his family, the family sacrifices for the Town and the town sacrifices for the state. You take care of your own first and fuck others.
that being said. It only works with one people, one religion and one train of thought. One rule of moral law. That way you can be sure your sacrifices go to like minded people.

This cod never work in America which is part of the reason they shill so hard against it. Americans have had to live among welfare niggers and greedy Jews since their inception and so have learned to hate the idea of socialism as a religious code.

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>Fundamentally, there are little to no differences between Hitler's Nazi Germany and Stalin's Russia.

Holy fuck

That's not how it works. Even if you don't like Hitler, everyone should read Mein Kampf to understand what he believed.

ITT: People conflate Socialism with National Socialism, never having read Mein Kampf

>that being said. It only works with one people, one religion and one train of thought.
It just needs one race, the white race.

Most people cannot even define socialism (including self-described socialists)

To loosely defined. The jews created the idea of whiteness so that they could fit in to European society and still have (((freedom of religion)))
If anything you should refer to self as European American

no u fucking dumb brit you are the NPC HOLY SHIT U FUCKING FAGS

nice argument, I'm so offended I will kill myself now!

> Teen's feeling of angst leads him to identify with edgy looking picture. Buys T-shirt, accidentally starts redundant occupy movement.
Occupy Cuba!

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Most people don't understand PURPOSELY anything
They ignore IMPORTANT facts in order to just do what they want
National Socialism was economically right-wing, but also economically authoritarian
It did promote that people should be nice towards to each other, voluntary
Secondly National Socialism hated American Capitalism AS MUCH if not even more as Bolshevism

You can tweak it all you want, but it needs the combination of IQ and Empathy only whites hae

>...hae
Idiot

If your a socialist your a leftist, eat shit nat soc faggots.

u are such a dumb nigger!

Whites only have it because of
>Civilization
and
>Christianity
Skin color does not cause it
There is another very different factor, which should be considered honesty/morality (I don't consider violence immoral, rather low empathy)
It is higher in tribal and christian societies

>Does anyone else hate this line of thinking from the Right?
No, because fascists today seem to be mainly Leftists so it makes sense the most famous fascist in history would also be a Leftist.

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and lower in full capitalistic societies like middle-eastern societies
It is also lower in leading class and also lower in lowest class

I know LMAO, Shapiro and Crowder each cover this topic haha leftist socialists retards

Who?

This is a bad use of the NPC meme, Che Guevara was a fucking madman at every level.

You are partly right, however partly wrong
It's just that modern left has some things common with it
>Anti-big-corporations
>Anti-American
>Anti-British
>Anti-Russian
>Violent thugs
>Pro-drugs
>Pro-Palestine
>Pro-enviorment
>Pro-Germany/EU

this is the problem with binary thinking, you think that violence or social pressure must have a correlation with x or y when its employed by every group thoughout history.

here is this concept explained using an analogy: if someone on the street is viciously attacked (internationalism/globalism, or outright communism) and they defend themselves (fascism, which is always a reaction to progressivism historically) then they are also communists/globalists for employing the same tactic.

of course, the logic is ridiculous.but there it is explained.

this was not sufficiently clear or optimal, but the point is that when Ben Shapiro or Stephen Crowder says 'fascism' is left wing or antifa are "fascists" since they employ a particular ubiquitous tactic they are either being deceitful (shapiros case) or they arent very well read and likely havent challenged their assumptions (what i assume is the case with Crowder)

fascism =/= street violence and suppression
Antifa are mainly anarchists and communists

WRONG. thats just what a FASCIST COMMUNIST WOULD SAY. those fascist antifa BROWNSHIRTS in the streets are evil nazis. Theyre just LEFTISTS LIKE HITLER.

Sad you cant see that, LOL! Facts dont care about your feelings.

>the (((right wing))) hates fascism and wants to discredit it
in other news water is wet, fascism isn't right wing, the right wing is built on values and principles that are as much the antithesis to fascism as the values of the left wing, and because both sides are wrong in everything they say they will attempt to use any tactic they can think off to discredit us, even if its flat out lying mainly because they are liars, everything they think and believe is a lie whereas fascism is based in the truth

>the weeb thinks that fascism is when the government takes way his porn and vidya
imagine my shark

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>wannabee ben shapiro
Reddit civic nationalist MAGApede with low IQ detected

kek

kek
he's being sarcastic

yeah whatever i dont care about what NAZI LOVER LEFTIST SCUM says, i bet you dont even support sending support to israel, greatest ally.

All wealth redistribution is bad, its nasty, its evil. Like all Socialists. Sending AID to israel isnt the same, its just COMMON SENSE. Greatest Ally.

preach it brother #maga

Who is hanging up posters of conservatives at schools and smashing their shit?
Who is beating down normies in the street for having conservative views?
Which side is editing books and history to prevent hurt feelings, and who is trying to outlaw speech and expression?
Which side is pro globalist and has global goals and praises George Soros?
Which side is pro EU?
Which side never listens to the poor and the working class.
Which side is marching around in fucking uniforms in almost ALL western countries? protip Antifa.
And which side openly advocates for hatred of a specific race, White people.

How exactly are you not Nazis?

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>wearing black is a uniform

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>Pro-Germany/EU
Anti European, pro EU

>wearing black is a uniform
ever looked at the definition of the word uniform?

Christ... the brainlet npcs nowadays…

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>the wealth produced in a society should be used to benefit society as a whole
And by society you mean people who are more successful than you should give you free shit.

Face it, your silly LARP is just communism without Jews and niggers.

Yes, it's a dim-witted and ignorant liberal/libertarian belief (e.g., ). Elements of right-wing thought had already entered into socialism as early as Saint-Simon and had continued more explicitly through Comte. The Nazis were themselves but one later example of it. This is not to say that socialism isn't a mistake and that the right shouldn't disassociate themselves from it. It's non-ideal and wayward.

>the distinctive clothing worn by members of the same organization or body or by children attending certain schools.
hiding your face for security reasons is not a uniform

>it's the only political ideology flexible enough to not demand total government overlordship
Classical liberalism does *in fact* demand it, just not *in words*. But people tend to follow words not facts. Hence where we are today.