SoShALiZm iS eViL

>SoShALiZm iS eViL
>CaPiTaLiZm iS gOoD

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Indeed

Or, both are shit.
And the only acceptable way out is a third position.

Everyone should not own the means of production because most people are fucking retarded and are not capable of making decisions to complex problems faced with when running a business.
Fucking next, please.

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Typical France

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Oui?

OP is gay. Now /thread me.

So what side are you on this time?

what do you think collective ownership means exactly?
what you described didn't make any sense at all

>muh third position
it doesn't exist, it's either socialism or capitalism.

What are the sides? Literally just got home from work, I'm kind of dying right here.

Poor bastards

americans should be purged for the good of the rest of the world.
corporate-dick sucking shitstains

>It WiLl WoRk ThIs TiMe

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all politicial/governmental interventions on the anarchic, primordial state are inherently evil. and that's not a bad thing.

OP is even more a brainlet.

Night shifts are comfy but exhausting

>OP is a faggot

#reeeeeeeeeeesist!

>human farms are evil
>individual freedom and liberty is good
yes

You are obviously nothing special when it comes to IQ. I am not going to explain it to you. Think it out for yourself
>What would owning part of a business have to do with making decisions for that business?
>HMMMMM?
It's like I said
>most people are fucking retarded

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>socialism is inherently statist

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>it's either socialism or capitalism.

Except when you have autism and it’s both and then later corporatism shows up and fucks them both right in front of oblivious religious zealot retards.

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>can't reply
>hurr durr think it out
you're the retard that thinks collective ownership means you "own part of a business and make decisions for that business", you're in no position of calling anyone retarded.
and "think it up" is not an argument, you just don't know what you're talking about
lmao

>centrally planned governments are statist
>police states that will forcibly prevent people from private enterprise is statist
once again, yes. this is why your country is a shithole, stupid people like you.

>it doesn't exist, it's either socialism or capitalism.
It does exist, you fell for a false dichotomy.

ok, explain how "third position" isn't either socialism nor capitalism then.
surely you won't reply with some retarded non answer like "look it up", right?

what the fuck are you even greentexting?
lmao

I wouldn't expect you to understand the implications of the words you're using

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you literally greentexted "centrally planned government" as if it wasn't absolute nonsense and now you're being arrogant and condecending.

literlly never even mentioned him.

Beaners can't into politics

It's not my fault you're retarded.

>be a literal retard
>iT's NoT mY fAuLt YoU'rE ReTaRdEd
just kill yourself, retard.

Yep.

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Ask Venezuela how good Socialism is for them atm.

Name one instance of country wide socialism that hasn’t resulted in widespread poverty and suffering for the majority of the populace. I’ll wait.

Venezuela's government hasn't abolished capitalism.

the Soviet Union

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>socialism and democracy are opposites
>that brown bird from Jew York is a socialist
imagine being this retarded
lmao

8-61 million people died in government sanctioned mass killings under Stalin, 40,000 innocent non combatants were murdered during the years of terror. The general populace did not thrive in the Soviet Union and were horribly oppressed by the very state that socialism necessitates.

It’s an authoritarian, failed idea that could only possibly work if all of humanity were a hive mind and the concept of individuality did not exist.

Take your own advice for being retarded and unable to understand simple concepts

there's so much wrong with this retarded post you just made.
>8-61 million people died in government sanctioned mass killings under Stalin
provide evidence for this claim of yours
>40,000 innocent non combatants were murdered during the years of terror.
post evidence of their innocence
>The general populace did not thrive in the Soviet Union and were horribly oppressed by the very state that socialism necessitates
socialism doesn't need a state, that's literally just your retarded opinion
and you're gonna have to point out how the people were oppressed, because you saying it doesn't mean anything.
>It’s an authoritarian, failed idea that could only possibly work if all of humanity were a hive mind and the concept of individuality did not exist.
how is this even an argument? what makes socialism not work because we're not a hive mind?

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>>SoShALiZm iS eViL
>>CaPiTaLiZm iS gOoD
You're absolutely right OP, thanks for clarifying that brilliant statement.

yeah it is hard imagining how retarded you are

>imagine being this retarded
>lmao
It kind of is though.
Once your government embraces a socialist approach to the economy, voting your party into power becomes a path to a paycheck.

You have to win the election so that your party can steal all the money from the other party... And that is the demographic war going on in the US.
Democrats have an incentive to destroy the country by flooding it with immigrants, because they know the immigrants will vote to take money from the people who are well off....
And as you can see, the idea of the government representing the american people goes out the window.
It now represents the blob of people who want to steal money from the Americans.

>no u
do you have an argument though?

>Once your government embraces a socialist approach to the economy, voting your party into power becomes a path to a paycheck.
literally wat
>It now represents the blob of people who want to steal money from the Americans.
only 14% of USA's population is foreign born, how the fuck would this sentence even be realistic?

Unfortunately, a lot of information about the doings and statistics about the Soviet Union are estimated. When dealing with levels of devastation that occurred not only in soviet Russia, but under Maoist China, pol pot, etc, much of these statistics were suppressed, not recorded, or otherwise manipulated.

Regardless, this isn’t about numbers. This is about the principle of the thing. Because of the way socialism is structured, it neccessarily funnels all power at the top of the political party; jobs and factories are owned by the government, housing is owned by the government, what you are allowed to grow for crops or charge for services is mandated by the government.

The individual’s autonomy is reduced to either working for the benefit of all, or choosing to do nothing and not contribute. Not only this, but just because you have the right to a job under socialism doesn’t mean that it’s a good thing; given ore and a furnace, an unskilled laborer would likely ruin the metal’s refining, resulting in a loss of hours of work, of resources, etc.. but they may not have that choice to do something else because the state needs metalworkers, and that’s what they were given, sure they have a job, but it isn’t doing any good.

Ultimately it boils down to control; the state has absolute control over everything, the places of work, the houses that you reside in, the very food you eat. And they are held accountable to no one. They can cut off these “rights” to anyone they deem as being enemies of the state.

I don’t care about the numbers, like I stated above, the very principle of the thing reduces the citizen to a cog in a machine, the value of life is nothing more than potential work output. I’d rather succeed and fail on my own merits than rely on the state to attempt to care for not only my every need, but the need of every other individual in the country.