The origins of European peoples. EEH - dates around 40k years ago EEF - dates around 7k years ago LNAF - dates around 4k years ago AS - dates anywhere from 3k to 1.5k years ago
>b-but how come the Finns and Balts are so blonde whereas tatars, Turks, and Yakuts aren't Finland has a much higher latitude (less sun), and the Finnish/Baltic people did not rely on fishing to get vitamin D nearly as much as the Yakuts did. The Volga Tatars and Turks, even though they come from very cold land, experienced a lot of sun due to having lower latitude & also relied a lot on Fishing. Finns/Balts/NW Russians and Turks/Yakuts/Tatars are one people. It's literally proven by DNA. >If EEH came into Europe 40k years ago before the blue eye mutation, how come I _insert Iberian nationality_ have blue eyes? That's because of your LNAF, EEF, AS or non caucasian admixure. or maybe you just happen to have a rare mutation/ light pigmented brown eyes that you mistakenly call blue. >>Greeks & Turks are one people >lol I created the map to represent people at the time of Byzantine empire, before most of the mutting took place (and Empires grew in power and influence) Turkey & Greece had shared genetic and cultural background before the TURKS (North Asian people) came into Turkey. Turkey is rightfully Greek land & has always been that. If you think otherwise, I suggest reading a history book. >All SLavs have common ancestry though Absolute bullshit. Slavic people in different regions have largely different genetic backgrounds. Sure there was some intermixing later on & culturally they were quite similar, it's about as dumb as saying that Asian Kazakhs are the same people as Balkan Albanians just because they share a similar culture. Also, remember that the Russian empire did not exist then. So no mutting among the Slavs either.
R1b and R1a both spread from the yamnaya/proto-indoEuropean culture.
I2 seems to have been the norm of Hunter Gatherers, though I think they found some C and R1b. Also it's not clear to me whether or not the current sublcades of I2 in Europe are remains of European huntergathers or were spread by farmers from turkey or from the proto-indo European expansion; same with I1.
The farmers seem to have been pretty heterogeneous with respect to paternal Dna, some being J or G, or E, I2?, I1?.
Also Slavic people particularly the Western and Eastern ones are very homogeneous, while there is Germanic admixture in the west and finno-ugric in the east, they both overwhelming descended from the same people group. And even the Southern ones are half way in between North Slavs and Greeks/Albanians.
Owen Martinez
Can someone pls explain to me what are Serbs? I never understood this shit.
Grayson Morales
>French >Iberians Whoever made this is truly retarded. French are a mix of Celts and Germanic, meds are only in the south.
Asher Hernandez
A Slav-Med mutt. Serbs and other South-Slavs and Romanians cluster in between North Slavs and Greeks/Italians/Albanains.
Austin Ramirez
This is so insanely objectively wrong Usual memeflaggot t.I1
Lincoln Myers
Yea the whole op is shit. The French while being more med than say the English or Germans, are still overall more Northern than Southern, and are more related to Germans or Englishmen than say to Iberians or Italians.
Gabriel Murphy
>yamnaya/proto-indoEuropean culture Don't be confusing genetic and culture. No European people actually have European culture as of now. Christianity is Semitic in origin. The Yamnaya were not Aryan nor in any way related to the Aryans. They were North Asian. The Aryans come from iran. I2 & I1 have common ancestry, but that does not imply that I2 is somehow a branch of I1. In fact, looking at the migration patterns in map above, one could conclude that both I1 & I2 formed in Central Asian & split earlier than 7k years ago. R1b & R1a are related as well, but that is because European Hunter Gatherers are an Offbranch of Aryans. In a sense, R1b came from R1a. It is senseless to refer to Slavic as an ethnicity, because in doing so you equate the blonde mongoloid Northwest Russians who speak a Slavic language to the Dark Caucasian Serbs who speak a Slavic language. There's no sense in doing that.
Alexander Sanders
Psuedo.science
Colton Reed
R1a aka Aryans were Eastern European. They originated in Ukraine and Russia, not Iran and India.
They looked like Pontids, East Nordids and Baltids with CM admixture.
Caleb Sanchez
>Italian >I1 I have trouble believing that. You aren't an Italian then
Adrian Miller
That's just because you are utterly retarded That flag you're hiding is most likely American
Evan Garcia
ydna is only 2% of your actual DNA. Pajeet with R1a and R1a Pole won't be close genetically in any way.
Jeremiah Miller
No, they originated in Iran. They came into Ukraine and Russian, as well as North India. In Russia, they interbred with the Mongoloid North Europeans, whereas in India they interbred with Non Human Dravidians (Dravidians are literally NOT homo spaniens)
OP doesn't even know how y-dna works My autosomal is closest to the Eastern Alpine population (Guess how I1 got there, it's not hard if you can afford proper education and a brain)
Eli Long
When a large portion of a population in a certain location shares the same ydna, you can reasonably conclude that that ancestry accounts for more than 2%.
Wyatt Ramirez
You're that idiot Kurd
Anthony Perry
No, they didn't originate in Iran. They invaded Iran.
Oldest R1a relevant for Indo Europeans is found in Ukraine and Central Russia.
Easton Perry
Name a single racial similarity in me and semites.
Not a single one. You're almost entirely EEH Iberian stock You could be French, Spanish, Portuguese, South Irish
James Brooks
Americans are retards. Europeans are a mix of WHG, ENF and Steppe people. Proportions differ in regions of Europe.
No one is fucking pure. Especially Amerifats. Nonsense. West Euros aren't whiter than Easterners and Finns.
John Johnson
>literally a standard eu map
Aaron Collins
>Finns/Balts/NW Russians and Turks/Yakuts/Tatars are one people. It's literally proven by DNA. This means Russia must annex it all.
Alexander Jackson
Finns are not White. Finns are Asian. Just because they have blonde hair doesn't mean they're fucking white do you fucking understand that?
Hudson Nelson
Wrong retard, Europeans are racially pure 0% semitic blood.
Alexander Smith
Brainlet
Sebastian Foster
Retard.
Jaxson Murphy
Finns are white.
Anthony Fisher
Fuck off mohammad.
Camden Bailey
Latvians are pretty much the whitest by any objective measure. They have more WHG, less ENF and about the same steppe as Lithuanians and Estonians.
Josiah Miller
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Benjamin Sanders
Western Euros literally created the term "white" and for about 200 years the only white people in America, Canada, Australia, etc were English, Irish, and Scandinavians.
So tell me how Slavs flipped that script in any reality except your head cannon??
they are not white. They descend from Central asian nomads. OBVI-FUCKING-OUSLY having lived in the Most Northern Location on Earth for 4000 years, they are blonde and blue eyed. You can put sub saharan niggers in Finland (in pre-civilization times, before the advanced tech) and Natural Selection would make sure they'd end up being blonde and blue eyed. That won't make them white. They'll just be blue eyed blonde niggers
Ayden Howard
Fuck off retard, finns skulls are european
Luis Garcia
Do you live in Sweden by any chance?
Joshua Thomas
>French are in the same group as Spanish Ok retard
Ryder Ortiz
>40K >R1b migration
you know nothing kid
Jaxson Diaz
pic is shitty OP is retard
Justin Foster
based Latvians. Who cares what ENF heavy mutts think. Westerners and Scandinavians don't even have pale skin shade, but some weird orangetinted dirtyskin. Compare Swede to a Finn or Balt and see for yourself.
>Finland has a much higher latitude (less sun), and the Finnish/Baltic people did not rely on fishing to get vitamin D nearly as much as the Yakuts did. EHG's in Finland ate seal meat all the time and built stone settlements around the coast for this type of economy. High in vitamin D.
The inner and outer regions never had a dominant position and never contributed much genes in this country. Ever since Corded Ware, the southwest had the biggest influence and most dominant genetic contribution (Indo-Europeans), including for blonde hair.
Livonians were the whitest people in Europe, but they disappeared unfortunately.
Jordan Evans
Germans are mostly R1b so obviously I'd expect them (at least the PURe germans) to have Brown eyes and hair. IDK about "swarty" skin color though. There really are no swarthy people anywhere in Europe.
Josiah Green
>IJ Lmao so are you telling me that Scandinavians are related to Arabs? Oh well, gues it isn't so enriching for them afterall
Wyatt Carter
>French are a mix of Celts and Germanic
And Roman
Sebastian Jones
Psuedo science.
Jacob Gutierrez
What in the fuck are you talking about? Irish people were not considered white. They were malligned as an ethnic group until well into the 20th century.
They did not benefit in any way from imaginary white privilege so therefore they are not white. Same thing with Slavs.
They may be pale but that doesn't change the fact that British are swarthier than the average Bavarian even. Brits literally have no bones and are swarthy. What little they got came from actual Germans and Scandinavians lol.
Anglo Americans were delusional. They even called Swedes swarthy at one point and we all know for a fact Swedes white mog Brits to hell and back.
Nathan Rivera
>and are more related to Germans or Englishmen than say to Iberians or Italians.
Then explain why so many French have Italian last names.
Dylan Perry
I ask for actual racial comparison get no replies only shitty graphs.
Noah Ortiz
I've yet to see an Iberian that looks like this but whatever floats your boat.
Isaac Gray
OP and most commentators in this thread are retards who only tangentially understand european population history and genetics, anyone with half a brain ignore this thread
Joseph Cooper
True, more of a Hellenic, Italian or Hispanic facial structure.
R1b is the celtic branch of the indo-europeans. They are not the WHG. And they came from eastern Europe, not India, and Iran.
The following are the main groups that compose modern Europeans in varying amounts. 1) Western Hunter Gatherers (med skin, blue eyes, brown hair) 2) Scandinavian Hunter Gatherers (light skin, blue eyes, blonde hair) 3) Early Euro Farmers (light skin, brown eyes, brown hair) 4) Indo-Europeans (light skin, brown/blue eyes, multiple hair colors) 5) Caucasian Hunter gatherers ( unknown so far)
Indo-Europeans seem to have been a mix of Eastern Hunter-Gatherers (another potential contributing population, especially in the east), Ancient North Eurasians, and Caucasian Hunter-Gatherers.
Nicholas Rodriguez
jesus who ever made this is a brainlet.
There are no Saxons in England before 500AD, because they come from Saxony in German, dumb fucks
Jace Sanders
Ok *burps* Now listen here *hic* Let me tell you *vommits burrito* All about *gunshots in background* Who is white *sharts*
It depends, Southern French are more related to North Italians and Iberians. Northern French more to Germans. France was the melting pot of Europe. Everyone has been in the country. It's why a French ethnicity is an entirely artificial concept. And they know it, that's why they made it illegal to distinguise French from each other.
Adrian Green
It should be noted, a lot of people in Colonial America were unaware & they conflated Germans & Dutch people to the point where the term "Dutch" was pretty much applied universally to all Germans. Of course, that was likely a result of the word "Deutsch" being similar to "Dutch".
As a result, many of the Pennsylvania "Dutch" are actually German in heritage.
Logan Thompson
Post Avar pre Bulgarian slavs Croatians and Bavarians were the one to first expell the Avars from Pannonia, Serbs and other lesser slavic groups migrated south after their collapse. The Byzantine De Administrando Imperio doesnt tell us much about the early history of Serbs compared to the Bulgarians and Croats but we know that you came from north central europe, next to white croatia which is either in Galicia/Ruthenia or Bohemia (Bohemia mostlikely since out of Bavarian sources we know that Chrobatians were a Military caste formed out of eastern tribesmen) Its possible that the authors made a mistake and switches Sorbs with Serbs, the other possibilities are then that Serbs migrated from the East over Pechenegia.
Bulgarians were originally a turkic nation and ruled the area of modern day Serbia, Macedonia, Bulgaria and part of Greece/Romania, they too migrated on a different route than the Czech, Slovaks, Croats and Slovenes. For the local population there isnt much really preserbian, for Croatia we know about the Illyrians and Goths but other than Syrmium Serbia wasnt densely populated and no group dominated (Were it the Gepid, Dacians, protoillyrians etc) And for the language, Vuk Karadic borrowed almost a third of the modern serbian language from Croatian and Montenegrin, he also arrived late compared to the Illyrian movement. And thats it desu, you could look into the Scytians and Celts that lived in modern Serbia and fought the Persian and Macedonian Empires if you want some preroman history
Josiah Cooper
Germans are bigger melting pot than French.
David Baker
Tell me the racial similarities in this guy and an iraqi
My paternal haplo is R-Z331 and my maternal is U4b1b... am I white?
James Jackson
That's only 2% of your DNA.
Kevin Butler
That bottom map is full retard
Bentley Brooks
The ANE is baked into the EHG and CHG, which distinguishes them from their western counterparts WHG and the Natufian.
So Yamnaya/Proto-IndoEuropean are just a EHG and CHG mix, there's even a linguistic theory, I forget the name, that Proto-Indo-European language is a creole between the Caucasian and Finno-ugric language groups.
Lucas Davis
He's swedish
Jaxon Mitchell
The arguement of having paler skin is negated when more Brits look like this than Germans do.
You'd be hard pressed to find many Southern Germans who look like they pass as totally mediterranean. The darkest people like Bavarians get is usually dark brown hair. Rarely black.
Complete nonsense. Germans are swarthoids and average German looks like Mengele.
Jace Gomez
"Dr. Davis Ramsey noted, “The common soldiers of the state were, for the most part, Irish.” British General Clinton wrote to his Secretary of War, “Immigrants from Ireland were to be looked on as our most serious antagonists”, and a letter from Ambrose Serle to the British Secretary of State went as far as to say, “Great numbers of Irish are in the rebel army”, and recommended that they be prohibited from leaving Ireland because “they add strength to the rebel army.” Even the Royal Gazette estimated that Washington’s forces were about half Irish.
I will have to agree with you. Pure Germans tend to have darkest hair & eyes
Cooper Perry
>No, they originated in Iran.
Wrong, R1A and R1b originated in Russia, and the proto-Indo-Europeans lived in the pontic -caspian steppe, who then spread these two lineages across Europe and Asia.
Gabriel Lewis
Top kek
Even the Austrians are whiter than the French or Brits lol.
Syrians for the Most part are not Iberian, but Hellenic mixed with Semite. Syria was part of the the Hellenic world & Byzantine empire, and was not corrupted by the Mongoloid invasion like Modern Turkey (previously Anatolia) was. Bashar-Al-Assad is the perfect example of an Arabized Greek. Most Syrians (or at least the pure ones) would easily pass in Greece
