Where is God?

we are all a part of the infinite "god"
90% of people deny their divinity
then we get hell on earth

Fucking HELL I hate this saying.
It's basically a pass for God to do whatever he wants & still get off as "good" because "we don't understand why he does it".
If we're made in his image, then there shouldn't be this huge disconnect of us "not able to apply the perspective & laws of man onto God".
If the point is for us to ultimately become like him, then we HAVE to be able to understand, and judging why he did this or that is part of it.

Personally, I don't think he's all "Good" or anything close to "infallible".

Herecy. Man redemption and closeness to God is by God's grace, if man is left by own means is surely doomed.
Our churches domes are looking like God is coming to man, not the other way.

Agree. God is only mysterious because His goal for us is different than our goal for ourselves. When you know the mind of Christ, He is mysterious. Yes I'm claiming to know Gods mind

>Yes I'm claiming to know Gods mind
This should come off as truly stupid, but when he refuses to clearly communicate to anyone, you can only go off of feelings & "I guess"es.

Isn't suffering, especially against the innocent and His most loyal children, counter-productive?

When we see Godly people suffer like Job, doesn't that make us question God's goodness and/or interest in our lives?

"The Holy Spirit will lead us into all truths"
If you don't know Gods ways or lack understanding pray for it and He will give it to you

I'm just believing what scripture says brah. You've been lied to

Learn what dualism is and you'll have your answer.
Hint: good & evil are one and the same illusion

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A better question to me is, what about the Beasts? What point does THEIR suffering, or even them being given the ability to suffer at all, serve? They're outside of salvation, apparently don't even have souls (although I'd argue that point), can't get into Heaven; so why even bother them with it at all?

I can't go off of scripture. There's too many fallacies.
And how do you know the voice in your head is God's? Just because it's "positive"?
How do you know the one telling you to go burn shit on a mass murder spree isn't actually or also God's? Why would he choose a symptom of mental illness to be the sole way he communicates? Very trollish.

herecy? haha based on what religious text?

If you can't go by scripture then I don't know what to tell you. Be careful who you outsource your thinking to if you can't make sense of things yourself. Good luck

God is not what you think it is

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We are created by something.
>Religious people say it is a god or gods
>Scientists, (another form of religion) says it is Evolution (another for of a god)
So yes. If it is a god, gods, or another form of omnipresent being, depends on your personal standpoint.

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we each have the wickedness we deserve

>Be careful who you outsource your thinking to
I don't outsource, that part of my problem. I just gather perspectives, and give my own as it currently stands. It's evolved a lot & gone through many phases since my evangelical upbringing.

You're taking the Bible too literally.

In the beginning there was our solar system. 10 major planets. Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, Pluto, and Nibiru. Pluto was in fact a moon of Nibiru's in the Ancient past. Earth was also much larger and closer to Jupiter. Nibiru's orbit is circular, slightly elliptical, and basically it comes really close to the Sun, and then goes really far from the Sun. It's a large orbit so it only comes by Earth every 3600 years give or take. Everytime it comes near our solar system, it's immense gravity influences all of the planets in some apocalyptic way. For example Mars did indeed have lakes and water at one point. Even a thicker atmosphere. Not thick enough to breath but it was still a somewhat habitable place until Nibiru sucked most of its atmosphere. And Earth? Earth used to be a much larger planet. Nibiru clashed against our planet when the solar system formed, one half remains today as our planet, the other half is the asteroid belt.

What does this have to do with God?

The Enuma Elish, 14 Sumerian tablets that date back 6000 years ago tell the tale. And in case you're wondering that's where I share the information of this Nibiru and its cosmological history. You can choose to listen to it or not I don't care. It's directly dictated from one of the Gods known as Enki who wished to record all of the events in the hopes that when civilization grew smarter they'll be able to rediscover the tablets and piece together everything. I sure as hell did and let me tell you it's a direct balance of Science and spirituality/astrology with thousands of years of propaganda and warring among these Nibiruans.

They created us to slave for them. Then, they were tricked into believing that their longevity was robbed of them from Earth's short cycles. How short? One lunar month is about a day for them on their planet.

Cont

I thought you were Catholic or something, carry on. I strongly believe if we search for truth over everything else, we'll find God. Be blessed bro

>He could have removed evil from the universe and built Heaven on Earth, but He chose not to. Why?
I love these 'why' questions, as if anyone can answer them. Like, seriously, you're asking someone to explain the reasoning of the creator of the universe?

From the Bible, we know humans lived in paradise, but then disobeyed God and were cast out. That's it.

Basically OP

Everything that YOU believe in are literally lies, misinformation, from humans that were deceived by these Anunnaki God's. Marduk especially who was also Ra.

So did God fuck up or was it His plan?

>Be God, giver of Life
>Give life to Adam and Eve, and everything needed to sustain it
>Listen to me, and you will continue to live, for I am perfectly good
>Adam and Eve don't listen
>Cue pain, suffering and death
>Fast forward thousands of years
>Still have pain suffering and death
>God sends Jesus Christ, His Son in the form of Man
>Lives perfect (sinless) life
>Dies in our place for our sins even though we deserve to die
>God: see, I love you even though you rebel against me
>God: follow me and you will have everlasting life
It's your choice user. God allows evil so that we may choose good. If God made it so that we couldn't choose, would it be any good? We would be no more than cogs in a machine.
>Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
John 14:6
Jesus is THE Way
Jesus is THE Truth
Jesus is THE Life

God loves you. Sometimes love involves punishment. More to the point though, reality exists independent of your opinion of it. If you disagree with how God created reality, does it change the fact that it objectively exists?

I think it was God's plan to give us free will and give our love to God freely. God made us strong enough to stand, but free enough to fall because what use has God that is not given freely? It's more like we fucked up. Again, you're asking me what God's plan for humanity was, what do you think I can tell you?

Our choices are determined by our genetics and by our experience. There is no free will desu.

Completely disagree with Free Will.

We can not know why God allows evil.
There are a great many things we can not know.

However, if there is even a slight possibility that God has sufficient moral reasons for allowing evil to exist, then the problem of evil is dissolved.

God created a world that is 100% good, however He also created man who has free will. Man was given free will because anything less would not be 100% good. However, this free will includes the possibility of being evil, which man constantly chooses. In short, it's man's fault.

I am sorry if this question is off topic, but why would He even create us to begin with? I dont understand it.
If He knew that the vast majority of us are going to suffer, fail the trials of life, and burn for eternity, why even bother with us?

I feel like life can be too tiresome at times, and the stakes can be too high (the chance of going to Hell). I wish I could return to non-existence, and not have to face the problem of existence.

I'm sorry to bring you down.

none of us know exactly who was the creator of our adn

You have reason, don't you? Everything you do has to have the assent of reason. Just because people refuse to use reason doesn't mean determinism is a real thing. If you want to claim you're some pre programmed gorilla, you do that. I think people are very aware of what they're doing and choices they make.

The bible clearly teaches the the Holy Spirit will lead us into all truths. The only verse I know that categorically says we can't know is the exact time of the return of Christ. But it does say we will know the season

> there's suffering in the world
> hence there's no God
no urban redneck septic and your nigger mentality.
Suffering & evil in this world is caused by human free will bestowed to him by God.

God is reproducing Himself in us. He is the Father, we are His heirs. He is a good Father that will complete His good work in us bro!

>am sorry if this question is off topic, but why would He even create us to begin with? I dont understand it.
Why do people create anything? Why do we write music? Why do we create plays and movies and characters? Why are we creating AI?
Why do we build stuff when we know that a tornado can destroy it? Why do we write books, I mean, most of them will rot off in 6 billion years. why bother with books?

Do you have any scripture to back up your claims?

As it stands now, we can not know, but who knows what the future holds.

What I said still stands though.
If it is possible that God has sufficient moral reasons for allowing evil to exist, then the problem of evil ceases to be a problem because what we do know is that an all powerful and benevolent God absolutely can have such reasons.

If the choices are unity with the Deity or Hedonistic Paradise, unity with the Deity makes the most sense to me.

if he just exterminated people because he knew they were evil that would be tyrannical, an imposition on free will

his strength is in allowing people to engage the universe however they want as well as not speaking, he is there but if you've shut parts of your brain down from having depression you're never gonna hear him praise you or smile on you

1) God is All-Knowing, and because he is he knows evil will only fail because he sees the end of their product and it's a Hell sentence for all universal criminals involved

2) All-Good because he isn't sending people to bust your fucking door down for nothing, all-good because he could just end your life with a car crash if he felt like it but won't because he doesn't want to unduly harm anyone who doesn't have it coming or who does not yet need to perish, he won't stamp out even one person's free will because that is mean and wrong, that's what tyrants do

3) Involved in our lives because he is literally the universe, he is every molecule and also every gravitational wave we evoke, down to the smallest quarks

Amen. God is good according to scripture. Pray that He reveals His goodness to everybody

>predetermined by genetics and experience
This is false. You would have to assume that the universes is governed by randomness. This clearly isn't the case. If it was, how could existence be possible?
God does not allow anyone to exist without hearing His Word. You have heard His Word, now it is your choice whether or not to trust in Him. God loves us even more than we love ourselves, so He would not (and could not) do us any injustice.

>all-good because he could just end your life with a car crash
But that exactly happens. Or you get cancer and have your parents and children watch you die. Fairness in this world doesn't exist my man

Here is the Good News of Jesus Christ, and hopefully an answer to your question.

God created humanity with free will.
He did this so that we may come to love him freely and in truth.
Because we have that free will we can sin against Him.
God knew this when He created us, so He provided a way for us to be reconciled with Him for free.
He did this by taking it upon Himself to incarnate as a man to pay for our crimes against Him Himself.

Why was this necessary?

It was necessary because God is perfectly good and just.
Every person, with the exception of Jesus, has sinned in their life and broken the Law of God.
To break the Law is to commit a crime against our Eternal Creator.
Because God is perfectly just, that justice must be satisfied.
There must be retribution for our sins.
God took it upon Himself to suffer in our place for the crimes we have committed.
This is the truest expression of His Mercy for us.

Some might ask the question,"If Jesus bore the sin of all mankind then why is there a hell?"

If you do not believe in Christ and allow Him to cover your sins, when you stand before God you will have to pay for them yourself.

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The universe is governed by cause and effect. Hence my lack of belief in free will

ITT
>RETARDS THAT THINK THEY KNOW ABOUT GOD

I got one word for you all

ANUNNAKI

God created beings capable of evil. Free will can exist without evil. Angels in heaven have free will and there is no evil there. Therefore, God is responsible and ultimately to blame for evil in the world.

God is responsible for His creation. Free will or no free will

Galatians 5
>13 You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh ; rather, serve one another humbly in love.

Corinthians 10
>13 No temptation has overtaken you except what is common to mankind. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can endure it.

James 1:13-16
>Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am being tempted by God,” for God cannot be tempted with evil, and he himself tempts no one. But each person is tempted when he is lured and enticed by his own desire. Then desire when it has conceived gives birth to sin, and sin when it is fully grown brings forth death. Do not be deceived, my beloved brothers.

Just to name a few.

>Anyone who chooses to do the will of God will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own.
John 7:17
>But if serving the Lord seems undesirable to you, then choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your ancestors served beyond the Euphrates, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you are living. But as for me and my household, we will serve the Lord.
Joshua's 24:15
>Then he called the crowd to him along with his disciples and said: “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me.
Mark 8:34
> In their hearts humans plan their course, but the LORD establishes their steps.
Proverbs 16:9

If this is an ordered universe, and it certainly appears to be one, then absolutely everything is predictable when you have knowledge of all the variables and the rules. I don't believe any man has this information, much less able to process all of it as to accurately and perfectly predict the future. That's irrelevant. What is relevant is that the universe is ordered and predictable. Free will at the metaphysical level is impossible. Our ignorance and blindness gives us a very real existential sense of free will, but that's only as a result of our own imperfections.

>Free will can exist without evil. Angels in heaven have free will and there is no evil there.
Yeah, it doesn't exist because st. Michael and the other angels threw out Lucifer and his followers. You are aware that satan is a fallen angel who led a rebellion against God?

On the contrary - if there was no suffering, why would you need God? Suffering brings us closer to that which is Truth. From biological perspective, without suffering you would not be here, since there would not have been reason to evolve.

>Free will at the metaphysical level is impossible.
Nothing in the way atoms are formed or how gravity works influences your decision to reply to my post. Nothing.

>Angels in heaven have free will and there is no evil there.
user, you realize that Satan was once an angel right?
And that one third of all the angels rebelled against God, right?

We are the fallen angels. God couldn't bear to destroy us, so he gave us chance to atone and return to his embrace.

>Free will can exist without evil. Angels in heaven have free will and there is no evil there.
Yeah but like half of them decided that they don't like God and became devils. This only proves that free will leads to both evil and good.

well karma has to strike to give the good people in life their peace of mind

just rule of cool bro! it's all about the rule of cool

>Free will at the metaphysical level is impossible.

Yes and no. Consider this: 'free' and 'will' are metaphysically meaningless concepts.

Paradise Lost is not canonical.

Every decision we make is determined by our DNA and our past experiences. Hearing Gods Word is an experience, it changes our perceptions. I obviously agree with all the verses you list, but those verses don't prove free will.

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>We are the fallen angels.
No we're not, we were never angels.
>muh Romans 9
>believing God predestined you to post on Jow Forums
wew lad
Can you explain to me in detail how your DNA influenced you to reply to that post?

Suffering is part of what makes life possible. It's far from an inherent evil.

Try to imagine a more terrifying world than one that you lose somebody you love and don't mourn.

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Nonsense. I am a physical object made of matter and energy just like everything else.

My DNA determines my intelligence level. My DNA probably gives me likes and dislikes. If I'm genetically predisposed to closed mindedness I might not be good at seeing the point others are making.

>then absolutely everything is predictable when you have knowledge of all the variables and the rules
Bell's theorem, dumbass. You lost this debate over half a century ago. Determinism isn't real, and your pathetic attempts at preserving it lead to insane bullshit.

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Crap... this makes me sad. I really don't want to feel like the Bible doesn't make much sense and people cherrypicked and made shit up for christianity to work.

(((Bell's Theorem)))

>I sincerely want to believe in a loving God, who is involved in our lives.
Too bad.

You're not merely a physical object. Your mind is immaterial. Your mind enables you to command matter and energy, not the other way around.
Predisposition =/= the lack of choice. You may not be good at seeing the point, but it's not impossible for you to see it.

So you're suggesting that Satan was not an angel?

If that is the case, then I must say there are many more reasons to believe that he was than there are to believe that he wasn't.

God grants us the ultimate gift: existence.

What we do with it is up to us. Therefore, "evil" exists because we choose evil.

Since our souls are immortal, temporary suffering is not as bad as it seems at the time. Kind of like how your childhood may have sucked but years later you look back on your past struggles fondly.

Similarly, human existence may suck, but ages from now in heaven, you will look back on it fondly.

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It should not, necessarily. There is a framework where God is not so concerned about our actions on earth and that we earn his favor, which gives us a good reason to act with honor. I'm not a fan of being a murderer then asking for forgiveness right before I die then being magically forgiven.

Protetants and Catholics are heretics, didnt ya heard?

According to your thinking, there must exist either a) an initial event after which all events subsequently occurred or b) an infinite continuum of events
If the former is true, what was the initial event and how/why did it occur?
If the latter is true, how can it be explained?

DNA is the the predisposition. Experience is the rest. We don't control either

Bible says all the truth.

I believe in the Bog bang, because it seems reasonable. God, being all knowing, set the conditions at the big bang. If the conditions at the big bang were different by one atom, earth may not exist for all I know

Im done with preaching the gospel here.Also 95% arent even worth to save.Also i dont want to deal with your asses for eternity.Lets call it natural selection

Imagine if Adam and Eve didnt have free will. God is infinately wise, and human brain is finite.

"Bog Bang" hahaha

Remember that Christ commanded that we preach the Gospel to all creation, not just the ones we like.

Matthew 13:24-30

God is the collective consciousness or all living entities. Evil is an absence of goodness; good is natural and optimal action.

>2) All-Good

There is nothing to suggest that God is all good.

Sure there is.

His omnipotence.
The very fact that God is all powerful means that His Will is justice itself.
God determines what is good, therefore He is Good.

Existence isn't deterministic. Initial conditions are not necessarily required for an outcome and only contribute to the 'likelyhood' of it occuring. This is what modern physics dictates; up for debate unless you're going to be autistic and try to preserve your ability to perfectly predict.

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I've tried my hardest to believe in God, and Jesus in particular been going to Churches of all kind of denominations including Catholic. Read the NT and prayed. And I just can't seem to come to a belief in God. I don't know whether its my depression but I was sitting in Church today just going this is all bullshit. I don't know whether that just means I should move on and live my life or what.

Feel pretty lost and life seems meaningless.

If Jesus is lord I really hope he shows up soon because otherwise im fucked, don't think I will be living to much longer.

Yes, he does decree what is good. As such, he is capable of decreeing that some of his actions aren't good.