Trans women are women. Trans men are men. Change my view as a "cis" man

There's no such thing as "gender". It's cultural marxist horseshit. There's "sex". And outside of very rare cases (hermaphrodite), there are only 2. A person can "identify" as whatever they want, doesn't make it true.

why cant said 'other genders' breed, abomination has so many words these days

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It would be more productive to simply execute you.

women have vaginas
trannies don't
and that's that as far as I'm concerned

>"Express your gender in the way you see fit"
As if you aren't fucking born with it

Easily refutable.

Walk into a gynecologist and ask for a pap smear.

Look at their face when they try to gently explain to you that you have a penis and should seek psychiatric care.

Not MtF? Instead, you can walk into a proctologist and ask them to check your prostate.

Again, note the reaction and where they suggest you go.

You can think whatever you want about who you are, but to the rest of the normal world you're mentally ill and need to be medicated.

Go suck on of those transmen's rubbery fake air-pumped willies and get back to me. Don't forget to rub their mastectomy scars and play with their hormone tablet beard hair. It's EXACTLY the same as a man.

This. Gender was smuggled in as a synonym for sex because it sounds nicer to Puritan types. However it's bullshit and was used to spread this insanity.

Trans women aren't women, that is why you call them trans, they are men who want to be women. They can do whatever they want but they will never fully be women or have a female body.

>Trans women are women. Trans men are men. Change my view as a "cis" man.
Sex change is biologically impossible.

define the word woman, go

Google intersex people? Reality is complex.
This is a societal problem and has nothing to do with the objective existence of transgender people.
Ah yes, the logical fact based woke pol i know so well
Why does it matter?
I suppose the entire field of sociology is just bullshit to you? If gender doesnt exist then why do you have an issue with people presenting the way they so please?

I got you senpai

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You can't make everyone pretend no matter how much you yourself wants to pretend.
And until/unless science can get transitioning to the point where you are 100% biologically the opposite sex, complete with genitalia fully functioning as it does for the average "CIS" member of said sex, pretending really hard is all it is.

If you don't give them security clearance you are denying their humanity.

Why are they much better at performing athlete endeavors than cia women?

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My god. You people are retarded enough to use birth defects to justify your degenerate BS. Kill yourself, faggot.

So by your logic you are 100% sure of the "biological sex" of everyone you meet? Even though the reality is much fuzzier and gray. Seriously we have humans coming out of the womb in all sorts of screwed up ways but nope, sex is an unchanging law! It really shows how little you know about the subject. Please do some research on intersex people if you are interested, and there is essentially no way to know if you are or not until you are tested.

They are so good at being women they get awarded woman of the year when they haven’t even been a woman for a year. Why are trans women that good at being women? Why even bother keeping CIS women. They’re constantly BTFO by superior trans women

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>Is it not a scientific fact that biological sex is more complex then meets the eye?
No. There are (very rare) conditions that make people technically intersex, but that's about it. Trans people are mentally-ill larpers.

Why do we perform corrective surgeries on kids born with cleft palate? Aren't we making assumptions about what they'd prefer?
What about harlequin babies? I know kids that'd KILL to look like mutated lizard hell babies.
We need to stop being so bigoted & just let these people be born as they are, stop trying to "fix" "problems".

Trans and homos are mentally ill. Change my view lgbtq man

Genes say otherwise, biology says otherwise. I can think that I am a cat all I want, all that means is that I have psychosis. I am no more a cat, than a man is a woman. That is the simple truth.

Now you can argue some rubbish over the semantics about gender, but that goes nowhere. The truth of the matter is that Man and Male, Woman and Female, they're synonyms that the radical degenerates want to change the meaning of to fit their agenda. I won't be having any part of that either.

Nice emotional argument snowflake. Im just following the facts wherever they lie, even if it triggers the NPCs on this board.

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>Gender was smuggled in as a synonym for sex because it sounds nicer to Puritan types.
No, it was John Money
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Money

I don't even understand your question.

When you say "Trans women are women" do you mean women who feel like men are women, or do you mean men who feel like men are women?

XX XY

>we have humans coming out of the womb in all sorts of screwed up ways
And we fix all of them but this one. This one we're supposed to fix the rest of reality to accommodate. Rather than correcting the brain so it matches the body.

Trans women are mentally broken subhumans. Trans men are mentally broken subhumans. Change my view as a "cis" man.

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when you "correct" them so often they end up becoming dysphoric and the identity that society forces on them doesnt end up being what they feel aligned with. Its about individual freedom, cuck.

*men who feel like women

When you say "Trans women are women" do you mean women who feel like men are women, or do you mean men who feel like women are women?

This is why you fix the brain to match the body, not the other way around.

Wait, are you actually suggesting we need to stop fixing the other birth defects I named?

Actually, we've tried for decades to "fix" trans people and we've just found that it doesnt work. The best way to fix dysphoria is to alleviate it with transition and treat them the way they wish to be treated, like a human being might be the way to go if ya ask me

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>a squared times b squared equals c squared
>IS YOUR MATH LIMITED TO THE EIGHTH GRADE?

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>implying that a endlessly complex system such as the human body and brain is that simple

okay brainlet

That's nice and all and hey trans money is good as any other, but if I call you "sir" I should under no grounds be forced to call you "xir"

Logically trans women are clearly superior given the ease with which they slay their cis competition. We have artificial wombs and an over population problem. What are the CIS women going to do stop thier trans replacements? Kek

How much are (((they))) paying you to argue with people who do not and never will agree with you?
Also, while we're at it, take off your meme flag is you want to be taken seriously.

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When you say "Trans women are women" do you mean women who feel like men are women, or do you mean men who feel like women are women?

All properly peer reviewed studies point to the same thing, that trans people should be treated as their desired gender and allowed to transition

I'm pretty sure modern medical science could come up with a far better solution besides hormone & surgical mutilation covered by make believe, if only they weren't avoiding it with 10 mile poles because the collective scream of "BIGOTRY" would be heard on fucking Jupiter.

People can define themselves however they want. It really does not matter.

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My feeling matter more than your bigotry.

people that are biologically male that would like to live as women

>implying a endlessly complex system such as mathematics is that simple

Ya still haven't actually shown WHY someone with a XX chromosome can produce semen. When the basis of the science has to be changed to prove the more complex parts it violates logic. A must progress to B.

>Trans women are women
no, they are not people
>Trans men are men
no, they are not people

Death is the only solution for you.

While we're arguing, OP, chew on this:

dailysignal.com/2017/07/03/im-pediatrician-transgender-ideology-infiltrated-field-produced-large-scale-child-abuse/amp/

okie doke user bloke

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I'm not saying you can't transition, buddy do cosmetic surgery and yourself into a stair dragon for all I care, but on principle you can't force someone else to say something that is untrue so it can help someone else's mental disorder.

Yes beacuse we can totally just manipulate the way peoples brains work. That would be pretty amazing since considering if such a thing was possible most mental illnesses could be cured overnight, but that is not the reality. Not to mention the ethical implications of such a hypothetical procedure of drastically altering someones brain just because their body doesn't match their identity / brain chemistry / whatever

Odds are you have properly gendered people who are trans, odds are you have properly gendered someone who is atleast even slighly intersex.

Expand your thinking. -Q

>Not to mention the ethical implications of such a hypothetical procedure of drastically altering someones brain just because their body doesn't match their identity / brain chemistry / whatever
Now take exactly what you just said & justify children unable to consent taking puberty blocking hormones & then being surgically altered before 18.

>>implying that a endlessly complex system such as the human body and brain is that simple
In many ways it actually is:
e.g without oxygen, you will die.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XX_male_syndrome

We should just provide euthanasia to adult trannies really

Yeah I've been deceived before whats your point? An ID should give me definitive proof that yes I am dealing with a biological man or not. And don't bring up intersex people, intersex isn't trans we both know that's a genetic disorder not someone deciding that the origin of all their anxiety is their penis.

This handy little infograph should be all you need.

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Nobody is advocating for children to have surgery.
On the topic of hormones the justification is often because of the great distress it can cause having the wrong hormones in your system aswell as the physical changes that can come across and make passing harder. ( and thus the acceptance rate for that individual lower, making them more likely to be a victim of a hate crime and etc... use your brain a little )

"This syndrome is diagnosed through various detection methods and occurs in approximately 1:20 000 newborn males, making it much less common than Klinefelter syndrome."

Extremely rare developmental disorders exist. No one is denying that.

You really ID everyone you speak to? "just gotta make sure your REALLY a man before i can call you He lmao" You sound like a total fucking sperg.

You retard

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Honestly, the biggest problem most people have with transgenderism is when children are involved. The same can be said with homosexuality.

I can't. If you really believe these things then your mind is broken. What can I do about that?

muh chillins

ah shit, you've found the one chink in my impenetrable fortress of logic

>the great distress it can cause having the wrong hormones in your system
So... Everything about "you" is screaming you are the gender you were born as, except for a portion of your brain; you have the genitalia, your body produces the correct hormones for that genitalia, your puberty systems are all on point for that genitalia... but the obvious logical solution is to try & undo ALL OF THAT simply so it all matches the same kind of inner voice that screams at pyros to burn shit & Chikatilos to kill & mutilate, which is telling you this dick doesn't belong.

Nice strawman, normally I don't give a fuck but certain circumstances apply. If I'm your employer, I should have your actual biological sex, yes. If you are at a bar and introduce and dress yourself as a woman I'm gonna take a look at your ID before you waste my time, yes.

If this is what OP means, then at a healthcare and census level trans women are men, and at a personal friendship level trans women can be women. Why is this even a question? Does anyone actually disagree with this?

>elaborate makeup and clothing changes my gender
Um no sweetie. Your still mentally ill.

>...t'is a minor detail
Consider that your conclusions won't ever work out because your base logic did not follow. A Y chromosome is biologically important for the prime sexual characteristics of a man. It's provable and reproducible in a scientific context. You can psychobabble all you want but at the end of the day a guy needs a Y chromosome to do what defines him as a guy it is physically impossible to do otherwise.

Fuck you tranny, they give top surgery to 13 year old girls. You should be put in camps.

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>Change my view
About as possible as you changing your gender.

I don't give a fuck what delusional shit you choose to believe just don't expect rational people to go along with your charade. I'm so sick of the stupid shit we're constantly being coerced into participating in. Cut your dick off, sew one on, take hormone pills, get a pair of tits, whatever.....at the end of the day you're still a fucking freak.

if trans women are women and trans men are men why calling them trans ?
and don't give me the bullshit that it's other people calling them trans because there's the T in lgbt and the transflag and terfs,...

If they are why they need to go through surgery that involves genital mutilation under implication of changing their biological sex?

>Nobody is advocating for children to have surgery.
You'd be surprised. "Top-surgery" (e.g mastectomies) are already happening for under 18s.

>Nobody is advocating for children to have surgery.
You are. Wherever trans shit is allowed, surgery ends up being forced on children.

So what is Trump doing and why are all the trannies going reeeeeeeeeee
I haven't been following the news too much

>Trans women are women
Gross, no
>Trans men are men
ok but I get to hit them when I would normally hit a dude

i'm trans but i'm a bit uncomfortable with that. i can see putting people on hormone blockers but drastic plastic surgery or hrt is another thing. i think that should be something people do after they reach the age of majority

King nigger changed title 9 so sex could be "self identified" trump simply changed the definition back because fuck you sex is your biological characteristics.

nytimes.com/2018/10/21/us/politics/transgender-trump-administration-sex-definition.html

Oh, I see. Yes, I wasn't aware of this.
So this isn't actually about the 47 genders, this is about the fact that sex is almost always M or F.

>Trans women are women. Trans men are men. Change my view as a "cis" man.
ALMOST ANYTHING RELATED TO TRANS IS THE FALLACY CALLED EQUIVOCATION AND FALLACIES WOULD STILL BE FALLACIES EVEN IF I OR NO OTHER HUMAN WAS ALIVE, SO IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ME OR MY OPINIONS.

>fallacy?
>equivocation fallacy?
Here is how it happens:
1-Patrick Star is a star
2-All stars are at outerspace
1 and 2 are true, so this means patrick is at outerspace right?
NOPE
What we did here was the fallacy called equivocation, the word definition of the word star from "patrick star is a star" is different from the definition of star from "all stars are at outerspace", the word is the same the definition is different and what matters is the definition not the word.

MTF trans and FTM trans ARE and AREN'T woman, this depends of the definition. THE THING IS, at most of the places ever, bathrooms, sports....... we use the definition related to XX, XY.
If you are a MTF trans and cant enter at an female bathroom you dont need to feel ofended because this bathroom definition is right.
If some alien call me an animal as some example I wont be ofended because I AM an animal, humans (homo sapiens sapiens) are from animalia, so it would be STUPID AS FUCK to be ofended at the alien calling me an animal. At the same time ITS STUPID AS FUCK SOMEONE MTF TRANS FEELING OFENDED HE CAN'T ENTER THE FEMALE BATHROOM.

Well, it would more or less kill any workplace or government need to acknowledge the "gender spectrum" crap.

mentally ill people tend not base their views on logic so there's no point