The Myth of Whiteness in Classical Sculpture

this. look to the paintings of the golden haired venetian women in the middle ages. they are good examples of what some older patrician ladies might have looked like in ancient rome.

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Its fascinating how whites racial memory has been lost or driven out of culture.
You just have to read ancient texts to discover things like redhair and blonde hair were far and wide in the ancient world even outside Europe.

Daily reminder, THIS is what the Romans actually looked like.

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why didnt they use the same lighting for both?

people that make these reconstructions do a very bad paint job over them. it is quite normal that if a piece of statuary still has paint over it, the case will be that only the base colour has survived but these le ironic post history researchers (butthurt because i know them) are very happy to find a way to stab against anything considered sacred and beautiful, because ugly is great and beauty sucks

desu, this amateur youtube video is probably closer to what they looked, we KNOW lots of painters from the ancient greek world (some praised for photorealism nonetheless) and during roman times too. a good sculptor like Phidias would've commissioned the best painter he knew to complement his works, not some fat slut with a doctoral thesis that never plucks her moustache and has never painted her nails.

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you mean to tell me they previously thought Greeks put unpainted marble all around

no it wasn't

>rewriting history to make nogs feel important

Fucking yikes. Philosers fucking wrote about fair skin, blond hair and blue eyes. Are they going to try and retcon that too?

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loebclassics.com/view/aristotle-physiognomics/1936/pb_LCL307.127.xml?readMode=recto

Yep

>Daily reminder, THIS is what the Romans actually looked like.
you fucking retard.
that is the decedent of a roman slave, probably from the middle east.

the true romans were culled during the roman fire of emperor nero, what was left died out very quickly.

idk what this has to do with anything
red hair is a common mutation among all Caucasoid,including the middle east, just like albinism is among humans and other mammals
nothing suggests either was more widespread
then you're dumb

You have to be pretty retarded to think that all the Romans flat out died.

Most just bred into various Italian diaspora

I want one of those bleeping manuals!

It's not a common mutation at all, and it's most prevalent in whites.

redhair isnt like albinism you stupid fuck. Also interesting fact he comes from a family of ice sellers.

there are mamy quotes and depictions of redhaired tribes all over Eurasia.

depends on your definition of common i guess
let's say it "exists" among all Caucasoids
naturally it's more common where the environment doesn't punish it
doesn't mean said environment is it's origin and certainly there's no proof it was more common
i never said it is, i was making a comparison of 2 recessive pigmentation related mutations

You are delusional why are you so scared of the truth?

Imagine being this obsessed with pushing your liberal political ideology onto classical civilizations and completely failing at it. This is why journalism is dead, its full of left wing retards.

Rome got mutted, the ancient patrician families were so white you would be literally shaking.

I like art

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Yep. I can’t believe that they would paint them so badly. Is this just bad reconstruction again?

rufus meant "red hair" in ancient rome
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rufus_(Roman_cognomen)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rufus

because your "truth" is historical revisionism driven by inferiority complex

Unless you're an uncultured swine this has been common knowledge for over two decades now

and?

The early statues may have been painted rather ugly, but their painting developed a lot. They went from pic rel to

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myth????

nigger what

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustus_of_Prima_Porta

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this.

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holy shit, a bogan post that is worthwhile. RARE. but yes!

>Nor did the Greeks conceive of race the way we do. Some of the ancients’ racial theories were derived from the Hippocratic idea of the humors. Rebecca Futo Kennedy, a classicist at Denison University, who writes on race and ethnicity, told me, “Cold weather made you stupid but also courageous, so that was what people from the Far North were supposed to be like. And the people they called Ethiopians were thought of as very smart but cowardly. It comes out of the medical tradition. In the North, you have plenty of thick blood. Whereas, in the South, you’re being desiccated by the sun, and you have to think about how to conserve your blood.” Pale skin on a woman was considered a sign of beauty and refinement, because it showed that she was privileged enough not to have to work outdoors. But a man with pale skin was considered unmasculine: bronzed skin was associated with the heroes who fought on battlefields and competed as athletes, naked, in amphitheatres.

I don't see what any of this has to do with anything. In the 1700s it was believed that white people living in the New World were dumber than Europeans because of gases produced by the plants in the Americas, this doesn't change the actual accomplishments of modern societies.

You LARPing mutts are genuinely obssesed with us. Give it a rest, we don't care about your definitions. Only jews label shit.

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It's weird how even modern American history is revised to benefit retarded niggers, yet inbred sandniggers with 85~ IQ continue to scream "NO, YOU'RE THE ONES CHANGING STUFF!"

Just goes to show if things keep going the way they're going you shitskins will squat in the ruined slums of Berlin and Stockholm preaching about how Arabs were always the dominant population there.

Nobles were often lighter skin and everyone else tan. Greeks and Italians have a wide range in skin tone. It's not usual for a Greek to be born whiter than sour cream and end up slightly lighter than an Arab if that kid spent a lot of time outside.

The mythical Nazi fitness manual. It is said that it can transform even a Jew into an Aryan supergod. They were all destroyed long ago, for no manuals should have that much power.

Natty paladins are still seeking for those grimoires, even now. The prophecy tells of their return.

How autistic.

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jealous mutts and snowniggers want our history cause they have none

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>L-larp

Weird how the West kicks the shit out of modern Greece. It's almost like you're descended from goatfucking sheepherders and you're the one actually LARPing, as the Greek elites largely fled West after the fall of Constantinople.

It's not like it changes your life anyway- genetics are destiny and any genetic value the Greek people had has long since been filtered out and replaced by whatever you are.

>when niggers have no history so they steal everybody elses

>400 year old country has the arrogance to talk about worth and value
My language, customs, forebears myths and stories, monuments and philosophy has survived for 2500 years and it will continue to be a part of me until I die.
You lack identity, you are an amalgemation of ethnicities, you hopelessly and frantically searching a raison d'etre, an identity. That is why you are so obssesed.
You lack the divine drive for hysterophemy, you lack Philotimo.

"but mom the blacks do it too"

>projecting this hard

I'm confused, they're acting like its some big bomb that statues were painted with skin tones and even though the skin tones are still pale this somehow makes ancient greeks/romans not white?

Needs a good earthen wash and highlight, maybe some nice basing

how am i projecting anything

looks like some armenoid syriac subhuman to me

Fuck off, FBI.

They weren't, actually. Lots of different colors and color types were available to the Greek and Roman world. Metallic, matte, gloss, acrylic, etc.

>I may get 3rd degree burns whenever I visit greece on vacation, but the ancient greeks were definitely pale snowniggers like me!

Can you chimps not?

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>Caucasoid
lel We are not one race, nafri nignog

Everybody has his ups and downs. Germans and anglo-saxons used to rule the world few years ago and now they are the laughing stock of their own countries. Let alone whites in America who wen't from the elite rulling class, to the inspiration of cuck porn in two decade, and without even a fight.

>our history

WHAT?

go back to Lebanon, Armenia or Syria you ancestors came from. Byzantine Emperors literally displaced Hellenic population with Caucasus and Levantine settlers

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t. pakistani intellectual

-i never said we are
-race is a social construct
-i'm not nafri obviously

beautiful people, can feel Alexander's blood in their veins

They were idealized. Their women were fat, they just airbrushed the folds

>Greek and Roman statues were often painted
Any proofs for that? Because I doubt it, even modern painting makes beautiful marble sculptures ugly, and Greeks certainly didnt have same assortment of good paint modern man has.

>cherrypick obvious nonwhite looking sculptures
>HURR DURR SEE WE WUZ GREEKS AND ROMANZ AND SHEEIT

It's true. It's not even contested. There are a shitton of sculptures and statues with minute amounts of paint that survived.

t. 85 IQ armenoid mongrel ignorant of allegedly his own history
You have no idea what happened after Alexanders death don’t you?

Hellenic race went extinct in a few generation because of all the mixing with Persians, Georgians, armenians, Syrians and Phoenicians
>race is a social construct
LMAO

Not what my cousin that works with forensic data says
aye. handsome lands they are. it is fucking ironic given that Alexander was the one to doom Hellenic people with his multiracial multi continental racemixed empire

It actually didn't though.
Nuclear DNA supports that assertion. Autosomal DNA supports that assertion. Mitochondrian DNA supports that assertion. Language, customs, mythology, religion, phenotypical traits, practically the whole greek essence, is intact.

Meanwhile, you have to keep grasping at straws and frantically have to keep trying to bring others down, because you have such a monumental inferiority complex that you cannot reconcile.

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Behold, the ancient "white" Greeks

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no matter how much you cry
no matter how much you roleplay and use greek language and copy their culture
no matter how much you lie and revise history
you can never appropriate Greece
no more than Africans can appropriate Egypt

you will always be a snow nigger

Looks like a bunch of turks. It's almost like Greece was occupied by the turks.

>Meds are olive-colored
Wow, what a revelation

based

>There are actually people on Jow Forums who think ancient Greeks and Romans looked like pic related

Lmao

Fucking Pigskins need to stop appropriating Mediterranean culture and history.

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Not it doesn’t. The Byzantine Empire was incredibly bureaucratic, so there are plenty of historic documents that depict ethnic displacement of Hellenes

You are mongrels. End of story
The only people appropriating Ancient Greece are Syriac-armenoid mongrels that currently occupy it

Literally 85 IQ deformed lazy morons
Kinda funny that our convicts and settlers made a better society than you subhumans ever could hope to achieve

Literally the fav article or grekoid sandniggers to “”””prove”””” their racial purity lmao

sciencemag.org/news/2017/08/greeks-really-do-have-near-mythical-origins-ancient-dna-reveals

>The ancient Mycenaeans and Minoans were most closely related to each other, and they both got three-quarters of their DNA from early farmers who lived in Greece and southwestern Anatolia, which is now part of Turkey, the team reports today in Nature. Both cultures additionally INHERITED DNA from people from the eastern CAUCASUS, near modern-day IRAN, suggesting an early migration of people from the east after the early farmers settled there but before Mycenaeans split from Minoans.

>inherited DNA from people from the eastern Caucasus
>near modern-day Iran

>This suggests that a second wave of people from the Eurasian steppe came to mainland Greece by way of Eastern Europe or Armenia, but didn’t reach Crete, says Iosif Lazaridis, a population geneticist at Harvard University who co-led the study.
>Modern Greeks share similar proportions of DNA from the same ancestral sources as Mycenaeans, although they have inherited a little less DNA from ancient Anatolian farmers and a bit more DNA from later migrations to Greece.

>and a bit more DNA from LATER MIGRATIONS to Greece.

Why is this pakistani so perturbed? Did the police seize your 10 year old wife?

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>proto-indo-european migrations
>literally 7500 to 6000 BCE
>he thinks this is a gotcha
>so ignorant of history and phylogenetics

Quintessential paki.

There are contemporary accounts of the statues having blonde hair you mongoloid, and a common name essentially meant golden haired

Going back to Armenia or crucifixion?

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so these fucking tools are saying that marble statues with the paint worn off propagate whiteness because previously they were painted to reflect the colors of their white subject?
what the fuck are these cunts on about?

WE WUZ GREEKZ N SHIT

Because nobility would intramarry to perserve the bloodline and the OCA2 and HERC2 genes and their alleles are recessive.
Greeks are still 14% blond-haired, it was always rare and there always have been selection pressures for it.

If they stop doing that, they'll be left with rock tools, mud hutts and cave paintings. LARPing as meds is very important for their made up identity.

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Let me explain who were ancient Greeks and romans mostly

Population (source) Distance
1 South_Italian 8.29
2 Central_Greek 10.35
3 East_Sicilian 10.56

Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 60.4% Georgian_Jewish + 39.6% Sardinian @ 2.71
2 61.9% Assyrian + 38.1% Sardinian @ 2.82
3 61.1% Armenian + 38.9% Sardinian @ 3.53
4 59.7% Iranian_Jewish + 40.3% Sardinian @ 5.4
5 57.8% Kurdish + 42.2% Sardinian @ 5.5

Also ancient North Italian like sample

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_Italian 8.68
2 Spanish_Andalucia 8.96
3 Spanish_Valencia 10.0

60.8% French_Basque + 39.2% Turkish @ 3.32

Proto-Romans and Greeks were Assyrians mixed with Proto-Meds (Sardinians)
North-Italians were Basque-like people mixed with Anatolians
Both were Nordic, but only in small amounts

mind the >>
I copied into the wrong thread accidentaly

You know you are waving your flag at a fifty year old American fighter plane?
Upgrade your damn Air Force already before Turkey eats your lunch again.

Jews are also Assyrian like population and they are mixed with meds

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Have snowniggers ever gone southern Europe? I'm half scandi and I can't stay much outside without risking a sunburn when I'm there. Supposedly "pink" skinned Greeks would not be able to train and do stuff outside.

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Pro tip alexander wasn't a mongol/turkic/Arabic rape baby

Yeah, Stavros, a rather relevant race of Hellenes just turned into a bunch of smelly hook nosed subhuman levantine armenoid midgets overnight because off muh ZOG and Krauts in Brussels.

Implying you need to rape grekoid creaturas. They’ll happily racemix with you as long as you support “their” mongrel state and/or orthodox