Religion does NOT provide morality

Of course atheists have morality. It's just usually an unhealthy kind of morality like anti-racism. Humans are natural cucks.

Humans already have an innate idea of good and evil. They don't need religion or ideology to gain that knowledge.

>unhealthy kind of morality like anti-racism

Jesus christ you are fucking retarded

But Christians aren't enforcing their morality. They're letting the left steamroll them and enforce the left's morality. Christianity is failing at enforcing morality like user claims it does.

>Christians aren't enforcing their morality
Yes, this is good

But the atheists are the ones pushing degeneracy. Last time a Christian tried to uphold his beliefs an entire parade of people ruined his cake shop and put him out of business.

You can observe our "innate morality" in feral children and apes. You don't behave like a Vanuatuan tribal cannibal but like a western Christian man. You think that's because of your inherent nature as some platonic form of an avatar of justice?

Yep, that's good.
Christianity should be curbstomped and laughed out of existence.

Sure, I agree with this. Christianity has run its course and is falling into decay as well, just as paganism has in its time. We need something new, however, to fill the religious void that will be left behind.

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But real Christians would do as their God said and kill the gays. They would also work together as Jesus said to and protect each other from their enemies. Real Christians would torch and pitchfork the parade people like they used to. Christians who don't enforce their morality are just larpers who like calling themselves Christian for some reason.
>14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

Atheists dont have morals, so no they have no morality. Atheist's morals derive from what they believe true at whatever convenient time. Their "morals" are ever changing. People are impressionable by nature, society norms and what ever they concoct into their heads are their "morals". Essentially, and unironically, the atheist's God is always the State/Government/Satan. Morals can only be obtained through religion, and good morals come from Christianity. Hence why pragmatism is such a popular idea amongst atheists. Only those who obtain their morals from God, have actual morals. Everyone else just acts accordingly to a situation based on their environment, fear, and ignorance. Without a real moral foundation that is concrete, you have no actual ground to stand on in terms of morality. By next week you could have completely different morals and be a homosexual

>Christianity is Islam
OP, you need to stop and go back to having your ass rammed by tyrone. You are way too fucking ignorant for this conversation.

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Too bad atheists are turbofaggots and won't do anything about it.

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>By next week you could have completely different morals and be a homosexual
That's only because of brainwashing. Humans are naturally repulsed by homosexuality because it's a perversion of nature.

Because christianity is not the most popular religion. Not everybody believes in Christ, but almost everybody believes in the government and their twisted morality.

>in america

What does popularity have to do with anything? Christians should be forcing their morals on everyone they can to save their souls from hell.

I covered that. Society norms*. When you are washed in water tainted in blood and cut and not of Christ, you open yourself up to the worse and most life destructing possible things imaginable. If your heart is of God and not of this world, you won't wake up one day wanting to blast yourself for turning your dick into a cheese blintz that stinks of rotting fish and bellybuttons

Christianity has 2.1 billion members followed by irreligiousism which is a conglomerate of people who are either indifferent or hostile towards religion which is just above 1 billion members. Christianity is currently the most popular belief system.
No they shouldn't you fucking retarded faggot. The point of christianity is to save yourself through your own merits.

Sounds like a plan. All we need is some platform to influence culture, like some sort of mongolian basket weaving forum, where would we find something like that?

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>The point of christianity is to save yourself through your own merits.
But someone's eternal soul is at stake. If they aren't fixed they suffer in the most painful way possible for eternity. We need to erect massive brainwashing prisons to purify people of sin so they aren't condemned to eternal torture.

Everyone committing mortal sin needs to be sent to these facilities, including gays, adulterers, sluts, and the effeminate.

I will violate your hivemind guidelines and say that religion can bypass morality (and it did several times in the past).

That's not the will of God according to the Bible. He gave us free will to choose so people can only be guided to salvation not forced. You are already suffering and it can be painful to watch but it's your choice based on your divine free will.

>That's not the will of God according to the Bible. He gave us free will to choose so people can only be guided to salvation not forced.
So Christian morality is just a suggestion?

Everyone has a moral compass because God gave us one. There are no objective morals within materialism.

> Atheists have morality
yes, because it was thought to them by religions.
> Atheists are natural cucks
fixed that for you
> and conquer their neighbours
only when threaten by their neighbours it is justified
> If one threatening enemy is converted and saved while others don't, it's worth get rid of the threat.
fixed that once again

It's a guide to the absolute law of reality for divine beings who can choose to not align with the law and face the consequences instead if they so choose.

> what is state's law enforcement
lmao you urban rednecks
> Of course atheists have morality
yes, because it's thought to them by others. Otherwise it's all about mob ruling, which is dictated by whomever has most of power to enforce it.
> Humans already have an innate idea of good and evil
then why are there so many atheists disagreeing on so many issues?
as this swamp ape said
so are you telling me Christians should go full ISIS then? I like your second idea thou
you don't seem to understand Christianity at all

>I too learned that killing innocents is bad
>therefore, your source is wrong

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If you think about religion as a set of beliefs about supernatural agents, you’re bound to misunderstand it. You’ll see those beliefs as foolish delusions, perhaps even as parasites that exploit our brains for their own benefit. But if you take a Durkheimian approach to religion (focusing on belonging) and a Darwinian approach to morality (involving multilevel selection), you get a very different picture. You see that religious practices have been binding our ancestors into groups for tens of thousands of years. That binding usually involves some blinding—once any person, book, or principle is declared sacred, then devotees can no longer question it or think clearly about it. Our ability to believe in supernatural agents may well have begun as an accidental by-product of a hypersensitive agency detection device, but once early humans began believing in such agents, the groups that used them to construct moral communities were the ones that lasted and prospered. Like those nineteenth-century religious communes, they used their gods to elicit sacrifice and commitment from members. Like those subjects in the cheating studies and trust games, their gods helped them to suppress cheating and increase trustworthiness. Only groups that can elicit commitment and suppress free riding can grow. This is why human civilization grew so rapidly after the first plants and animals were domesticated. Religions and righteous minds had been coevolving, culturally and genetically, for tens of thousands of years before the Holocene era, and both kinds of evolution sped up when agriculture presented new challenges and opportunities. Only groups whose gods promoted cooperation, and whose individual minds responded to those gods, were ready to rise to these challenges and reap the rewards. We humans have an extraordinary ability to care about things beyond ourselves, to circle around those things with other people, and in the process to bind ourselves into teams

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Atheists don't have morality because they don't have free will.

Religions are moral exoskeletons. If you live in a religious community, you are enmeshed in a set of norms, relationships, and institutions that work primarily on the elephant to influence your behavior. But if you are an atheist living in a looser community with a less binding moral matrix, you might have to rely somewhat more on an internal moral compass, read by the rider. That might sound appealing to rationalists, but it is also a recipe for anomie—Durkheim’s word for what happens to a society that no longer has a shared moral order.63 (It means, literally, “normlessness.”) We evolved to live, trade, and trust within shared moral matrices. When societies lose their grip on individuals, allowing all to do as they please, the result is often a decrease in happiness and an increase in suicide, as Durkheim showed more than a hundred years ago.64 Societies that forgo the exoskeleton of religion should reflect carefully on what will happen to them over several generations. We don’t really know, because the first atheistic societies have only emerged in Europe in the last few decades. They are the least efficient societies ever known at turning resources (of which they have a lot) into offspring (of which they have few).

This is absurd. You can have a concept of personal responsibility without denying determinism. There are many sects and individual Christians who don't believe in free will and behave quite morally.

>14Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the Law, do by nature what the Law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the Law, 15since they show that the work of the Law is written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts either accusing or defending them.
yes, not religion gives morality, but God does

I love it when people post this picture and show everyone they have this picture on their computer. Do you realize nobody here will agree with this guy shoving a banana in his ass, yet you keep this saved on your machine....why? Seems gay as fuck.

Is that you amazing atheist?

How does this make sense to post? I'm disagreeing with him shoving a banana in his ass and calling the guy who saved this picture gay.

This thread is why i hail satan

I don't have anything specific to say about your statements but do you want to know an ironic thing about me and a lot of other people, OP? Even though I am not Christian, I still worry about morality. I have no religion. I always think that I am too soft with people, which is true by the way, but then some people always find a way to screw me over. Either if it's scamming me, using me for their own gain and so forth. Then I think about all of the criminals that do all sorts of messed up shit and they don't care about morality. Then I was thinking that perhaps all of those criminals will go to hell and if I am like them then I'll go to hell as well. Then I was questioning if god is even real and if hell is even real. Then I wanted to look for actual evidence, which there is none, and then came to my own conclusion that god and hell isn't real. Because there is no physical form of it, simply put. What bothers me the most is that I am such a beta male and a pussy that I can't even fight back people that attack me in the street because I think it's "morally" wrong. How the fuck do I break out of this cruel spell. I am being too nice to people but then assholes always find a way to fuck with me by doing wrongful shit. We truly are cucks in nature like you said, OP. I guess it's more to do with the "lock" in your mind that prevents you from doing bad things. It's like a farmer that has to kill an animal for the first time to get the meat. The first time of doing something fucked up is always hard. It's the "lock" in our mind that is preventing us from doing it. I hate having a "lock" in my mind and I don't know how to break out of it. I know for sure that a lot of people struggle with this as well. I myself have to probably resort to criminal activity because I can't find any fucking jobs in my area and so doing illegal shit might be the only way for me to make money but then comes the part of me being too much a "pussy" to do it.

How do I break out of this nightmare?

>God is not real because he is not physical
jesus christ...

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You calling for Jesus now? He is nowhere to be seen. Lmao.

just like your courage

True, I wouldn't argue with that. Do you have any suggestions on how I can have courage?

pray and man up

Pray? No.
And can you be more specific than just "man up".

>lean on something else that can't be verified to exist, but be a man
These two things are incompatible.

That's what I was thinking.
But for real, how can I be like a man then.
How do I break the "lock" in my mind. That's something I want to know.

if you have the eyes to see you see God all around mate. its not my fault you never cared to look.

yes, dont be a pussy. also pray

>if you have the eyes to see you see God all around mate
People keep saying this, and when it's thoroughly explained that they are wrong they keep using this as evidence for a God. Why?
>its not my fault you never cared to look.
Not that it matters or that you'd believe me, but I have.

>when it's thoroughly explained that they are wrong
ok, please tell me

Huh. That doesn't help. Nobody sees God. Why would I pray to God to help me through criminal activity? Regardless, how do I not become a pussy? Your answers haven't helped so far.

Why do you think, serious people are seriously thinking that we living in a simulation?

How did you come to the conclusion that because things in reality exist, it points to a God?

I don't know, I don't see evidence to suggest we are though.

You're retarded. There are better arguments for God than "juss opin ur eyes bruh"

God and simulation doesn't correlate, from my point of view at least. Even though it might be possible that life is a simulation...there still is no evidence for it so it's unclear. It could be just a simulation but no god, but then how do we prove that simulation is real?

Is anything fucking real these days. This rots my brain.

>MUH
Go be a golem somewhere else.

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Because irreligious people are fucking degenerate and need to be reminded daily.

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thereare 2 options.
1. the universe is an accident
b) the universe is planned
if you look into stuff like the golden ratio, or the fractal propabillities of the universe with the patterns ever repeating all across all of creation then it doesnt look like an accident to me but planned into the smallest detail.

you can look into all the ancient myths and see that they all will tell you mostly the same things even though they never were in contact with another indicating those are based on real events instead of made up stories. and they usually also talk about one most high God/spirit

you can look into near death experiences which also most often repeat, often meeting God they instantly recognized as such.
You can look into the CIA stargate project on astral projection/remote viewing/extrasensory perception and realize the soul is actually a thing this body is not all your are.
probably a whole bunch of more ways too.

learn what it means to be a man and follow through. once you know what it all that is hindering you from becoming a man is yourself. Do you have the courage to stand up for your values and morals or do you cuck in and hide it to conform with others and be more comfy because of it.
Since i guess you know what it means all that is left to do is to do what you know must be done, which for some reason you dont seem to be able to. So again, pray that you may get the courage to follow through and be thankfull when you get it.

That's a good answer...thanks.
I'll try to follow your advice.

Morals are largely just feelings and what "works" for X group(s), and no one can create a perfectly consistent moral system because group interests are often at odds and there's just too much framing group interests as morals and other competing groups interests are immoral/bad.

As bad as that is, it's even worse to try to figure out any way to enforce any system of universality between disparate peoples.

>if you look into stuff like the golden ratio, or the fractal propabillities of the universe
Math is a concept we created to quantify things in reality. It doesn't prove a God exist, and math cannot prove a God exists. There is no variable or quantification of God.
>you can look into all the ancient myths and see that they all will tell you mostly the same things even though they never were in contact with another indicating those are based on real events instead of made up stories
And there are severe conflicts/contradictions as well. Why would an omniscient God put forth a book, that's supposed to make believers out of his creation, that's filled with these errors?
>you can look into near death experiences
Why are you attempting to obtain evidence from people who's brains are oxygen deprived? That seems to me the worst place to go for evidence.
>once you know what it all that is hindering you from becoming a man is yourself
>Do you have the courage to stand up for your values and morals or do you cuck in and hide it to conform with others and be more comfy because of it.
I'm doing this right now. I don't have to believe in something I have no clue exists, and cannot verify exists.
>You can look into the CIA stargate project on astral projection
We can test if astral projection works, and people have tried. They had people lay in beds, and on a shelf nearby had information on a piece of paper that they were supposed to read off. It couldn't be demonstrated that this was a possibility.

>Math is a concept we created to quantify things in reality. It doesn't prove a God exist, and math cannot prove a God exists. There is no variable or quantification of God.
yes, but do you seriously think the math lines up that perfectly with another? Does this seem like an accident?
princeton.edu/news/2018/09/05/surprising-hidden-order-unites-prime-numbers-and-crystal-materials

>And there are severe conflicts/contradictions as well.
time distorts stories.

>Why would an omniscient God put forth a book, that's supposed to make believers out of his creation, that's filled with these errors?
you do know noone says the bible is written by God but people that wittnessed his deeds. There is also a lot being messed up in the translations and older scripts also differ occasionally from those we got the bible from. it also implies that the bible isnt the actual truth and that the others have right, but thats a discussion of its own.

>Why are you attempting to obtain evidence from people who's brains are oxygen deprived?
there are reports of NDE from all around the world telling the same stuff, for us most importantly meeting God and describing him all the same. but sure that is only the oxygen lacking that makes you have this very vision.

>We can test if astral projection works, and people have tried.
CIA docs state that it works, but is dependent on the believe of the people involved. appearently even the believe of people that just make the notes influences the session (which is something explained in the bible by the way, that believe/faith matters for various reasons). im sure you can go to /x/ or any other occultic website and ask on their experience on that stuff too.

Religion doesnt create morality
Religion enshrines and protects morality against the corruptive and degenerative whims of weak men

>yes, but do you seriously think the math lines up that perfectly with another? Does this seem like an accident?
We're pattern-finding creatures, of course we're going to see these types of things that we use to quantify reality. How could this get you to a God claim, though?
>time distorts stories.
So all of the contradictions are due to time? God couldn't have seen that issue and done something to fix it?
>you do know noone says the bible is written by God but people that wittnessed his deeds
I agree, so even by that statement we can't know a God exists. We don't even know if the writers were in the presence of Jesus.
>there are reports of NDE from all around the world telling the same stuff
And some that don't. So how does this point to a God? I didn't say it was just the lack of oxygen, i stated it's because of this that it is not a good point to use as evidence.
>CIA docs state that it works
Link the document. My statement still stands, if it were true then we would have some evidence for it and be able to replicate the study. But we haven't been able to, which is the issue.
>im sure you can go to /x/ or any other occultic website and ask on their experience on that stuff too.
Again, we've done studies on this and they've all come up inconclusive. /x/ isn't a determinate of what is true. I'm still interested in the CIA document you referenced, though.

>We're pattern-finding creatures, of course we're going to see these types of things that we use to quantify reality.
so do you honestly believe the patterns are there by pure random?

>So all of the contradictions are due to time?
no, also different point of views, different focus on different parts of the stories due to different cultural importance.

>God couldn't have seen that issue and done something to fix it?
thats the same debate as "why is there evil if God is good?" God barely does anything unless you ask him. What is done is done by humans for the most part.

>And some that don't. So how does this point to a God?
its still usually the same, meeting loved ones that are deceised, or just seeing your own body floating around. always these couple phenomenas. Since this is again some reoccuring pattern independent of believe, culture or race or whatever im inclined to believe it has non material roots, aka is rooted in the spirit.

>Link the document
cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788R001700210016-5.pdf
this here is from some session they supposedly held
cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788R001900760001-9.pdf

>Again, we've done studies on this and they've all come up inconclusive
that means they also couldnt disprove it, no?

>/x/ isn't a determinate of what is true
as i said, look into any other forum of your likings and ask there. i dont like /x/ either

Holy fuck.
That load of shit is the most retarded entry-level "WOKE" new faggotery I've read.
Atheists have no morals because they don't follow a doctrine other than the law and what mummy and daddy say.
The fact you think "conquering" is "less moral" tells how much a gigantic beta cuck you are.
>"If one person is converted and saved it's worth killing the whole city."
Yet more atheist retardation on their retarded imaginary strawman.
This is why nobody gives a fuck about atheism anymore.

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absolute state of atheists

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I'm an atheist myself but I actually like religion because average people are too dumb or too degenerate to establish their own decency-based morals and religion is a great tool to do so

>The fact you think "conquering" is "less moral" tells how much a gigantic beta cuck you are.
Most humans are naturally uncomfortable with the idea. Does the Bible suggest it is moral somewhere?

>so do you honestly believe the patterns are there by pure random?
I have no evidence to suggest otherwise. It doesn't lead to a God in any logical way, unless you have something to suggest it does?
>no, also different point of views, different focus on different parts of the stories due to different cultural importance.
So then how do we know whats true when they're all talking about their own opinions of what is going on, if the other writers are contradicting their points?
>God barely does anything unless you ask him
And even then, he might not respond.
>that means they also couldnt disprove it, no?
Do you believe everything that can't be disproven, or just the things you want to believe? If we have no evidence to suggest something is occurring, and test it to the point where there is zero evidence for the claim, why are you believing it?
>as i said, look into any other forum of your likings and ask there.
Anecdotal evidence doesn't get you to proof for a God. I'm still wondering how any of this gets you to believing in a God?

>perfectly reading this cucks bodylanguage and reacting to it, while restraining himself because he realizes that he would probably kill the wimp with one backhand slap
10/10

the bible says the chosen people, the whites (not kikes) will rule on all of earth. so if its done by whites its okay. it also has a strict guideline how to war and hold siege on another city, and im unaware of anything saying you shouldnt do those. So conquest is okay

>cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788R001700210016-5.pdf
Also, thank you. i'll have to read this after work.

>OT is instructions for whites to conquer the world
>NT is for everyone and preaches love and tolerance
That's a pretty brilliant religion.

Old Testament sure does. The Talmud is entirely Torah/OT fanfiction. New Testament not really but it doesn't have anything against annihilating mortal enemies.

It says just followers of Jesus/Christianity desu, due to voiding of the old covenant. It's pretty nebulous on who those people actually are.

>I have no evidence to suggest otherwise.
thats why i said eyes to see. its obviously not proof, but if you happen to see da vincis mona lisa encarved into a rock, will you think it naturally formed like that or would yous thing someone made edged the image into the rock?
If you see Van Goghs Starry Night painted on a wall, will you think someone threw buckets of paint on it and thats what came out or did someone paint it with a purpose?
Same i see the patterns. obviously they could be mere coincidences, but the more and more they come up the more it appears as if its planned, and honestly the more likely it becomes

>So then how do we know whats true when they're all talking about their own opinions of what is going on, if the other writers are contradicting their points?
by comparing them all and finding out the similarities. if something is equal all around the world we can use this as basis, and from there on we go on and try to add more and more details with stuff we can confirm.

>And even then, he might not respond.
just because you dont realize it immediatly doesnt mean he is inactive

>Do you believe everything that can't be disproven, or just the things you want to believe?
no, but if all their experiments failed i would guess then they would say it was disproven. but since its inconclusive some appearently did succeed, no?

>Anecdotal evidence doesn't get you to proof for a God.
then read the docs and try remote viewing yourself and find out if its real. noone can prove it to you, just like noone can prove it to you wether God exists or not. Proof is something you can only find yourself

>I'm still wondering how any of this gets you to believing in a God?
which bit exactly? the remote viewing part? that shows there is more to this world than what we see and feel, more than the physical/material world and hints to a spiritual one. but in general its the accumulation of all the things i mentioned and also seeing stuff in a biblical contexts gives sense and reason suddenly to a lot of things from events in the ancient pasts to what is happening nowadays.
You can even look into (((their))) occult bullshit which should make you wonder why they worship satan when there is no God. >It's pretty nebulous on who those people actually are.
see in niggers

They feel bad because it will lead to negative consequences in most cases. Because laws were written by people of religious morals