Can I get a rundown on Kratom from an actual user?
> Is it safe or dangerous?
> Youtube is packed with videos from users shilling how harmless and fantastic it is.
> Jow Forumsquitting kratom makes it sound like its almost as bad as heroin to quit
What's the real deal? Should it be avoided at all costs? I've already quit nicotine and caffeine in my life, is quitting Kratom really any worse if you get dependent on it?
It's harmless, you have to go nuts to get even a mild buzz, apparently the raw leaf is much more potent. Also, if you take more than a few pills you'll induce vomiting.
Shits okay paired with weed, don't drink with it in your system or you might die.
Not as bad as heroin to quit, but I would highly recommend to not start it.
Its alright at first, but it places weird thoughts in your head. It'll warp your brain chemistry while you're on it and you'll have these terrible thoughts. Like you will KNOW its the kratom, but you still will feel it. Quitting takes a week or so, you'll throw up and feel like shit during it. Its not good.
It's not that great when you use it daily for months, but in the beginning you can get a nice high.
Very mild buzz similar to a caffeine or nicotine rush in terms of potency and longevity. The amount you need to take though is a lot, and it all tastes like garbage. I vomit nearly every time I did it because the taste was that bad
Never heard of this, is it a psychoactive?
Just smoke weed like a normal person
I've been using it daily for like 9 years, heres my two cents.
It's a fantastic thing, it helps with
>anxiety
>depression
>pain,
>will make you super motivated
>will want to be around people.
It also comes with a great euphoria. That said, anyone who says it's not addictive is a fucking flat out liar. After like 3 days of consecutive use you'll have withdrawal symptoms. They're not so bad after only a couple days though, its like quitting nicotine, just a little annoyed and shit. After like a week of constant use they get much worse.
I'll continue in a second, but I want to say when this thread gets pruned if you want we can continue on 4plebs
I can't say that I had these experiences. You need to dose properly and take good quality. Starting users should get high on a tablespoon of enhanced maeng da. Mix it with some hot water and then ice cold water or ice tea, gulp it down and eat some candy.
What kind of thoughts? Can you give an example?
Well assuming you're an actual leaf, Kratom is not legal for sale in Canada.
As for the health issues, it's basically like a mild speed-ball (heroin + cocaine). You are worried about addiction, so yes, it will be bad if you get hooked. And based on your history, it sounds like you're susceptible. Don't do it.
I'd beware. It can create dependency in most people who don't have the discipline to use sparingly.
Be careful, user.
Co worker swears by it. Does it daily with a spoon (he just buys the powder because it’s cheaper). I tried it several times and have never felt a thing.
For some reason that sounded fucking awesome
>4plebs
cool
I use it. It's safe, except for your wallet and motivation.
It's not fantastic, it's addictive.
It's a bitch to quit and will fuck up your month.
Don't start. Try it once, don't do it more than once a week if you must.
been taking kratom for over a year and honestly wish i never started. it is a pleasant high, makes whatever you’re doing a bit more interesting. i’m pretty sure it’s causing my eyebrows to go nearly bald, and while it gives me a social boost at first, as i withdraw i become super agitated, anxious, paranoid, etc.. honestly keep taking it because my job is so boring without it, it helps me be more productive and kinda even enjoy it
in the 1+ year i’ve been on it, i was only off it for like 3 consecutive days. the withdrawals aren’t that bad, restless crampy legs, lethargic feeling, bored, but nothing like heroin, oxycodone, xanax, etc.
i suggest you don’t do it but if you do, force yourself with any means necessary to stay at like 2g doses and under 5g a day. when used rarely it’s pretty awesome, imagine a very mild but still noticeable opiate type of high
NEVER USED ENHANCED
kratom naturally has a mix of agonists and antagonitsts for the mu-opiate receptors which prevents dependency from being as bad as normal opiates.
Enhanced blends and extracts circumvent this and have very nasty withdrawls as compared to plain leaf.
Leafs are really pieces of shot for half of them.
All you care is poisoning your mind and body ? Kys
And stop posting.
It is, if you're into morphine stuff.
Kratom is legal in Canada and sold openly online
bestkratomcanada.ca
Like for example, someone would not reply to a text for 20 minutes and I'd feel as if they insulted me and my entire family. Or that I would be somewhere fun and KNOW its fun but unable to feel it and just want to die.
I've quit twice and keep coming back. I was off for a year or so, and never stopped wanting to go back. I have to quit again soon and I'm dreading it. It helps me chill out but i need to go back to being completely clean.
>Its alright at first, but it places weird thoughts in your head.
Wut? Elaborate pls, I've never had that happen to me.
The people that say you dont build a tolerance are liars too. After a few weeks it drops off. One problem with a tolerance too is that you cant just take more and get the same feeling. After a certain dosage it's just fucks with your vision, gives you the shakes, and will most likely you'll throw up. It takes a lot for that to happen though.
Withdrawals are worse than traditional opiates by the way. I used kratom to "kick" my opiate addiction, and have been through withdrawal from both many times. Withdrawal from kratom is
>itchy skin
>really bad insomnia
>strong anxiety
>depression
>wild mood swings
>scatter brain
>heart palpitations
>sweating
>the shakes
And some others. Those symptoms can last weeks if depend on how long you've been constantly using.
If you have will power it's awesome, but if you dont tread very carefully. If you do decide to try it Gaia Ethnobotanicals dot com is one of the best places to get it from.
Lol whatever you say.
Kratom has cured my homosexuality.
Weed is legal now, stay away from this shit
I doubt it, as you're probably that Romanian sissy.
I used it to detox off of opiates. Didn't stop using kratom for most of a year afterwards, then stopped cold turkey. I felt like shit for a week, but withdrawal off of kratom is nothing like opiates. If you're not using it for dt, I wouldn't recommend it senpai
Nah not really, but the way you explained it made it sound almost family friendly kek. I really only mostly smoke the weeds, but you know sometimes shit gets kinda wild
compared to how bullshit of an opiate it is, yeah, quitting is metaphorically as bad as heroin.
after about the 5th time using it, vomiting it out became regular, and after the 20th milestone i could no longer just swallow it with water. but that's just the taste.
though it's as dumb of a drug as it gets. nothing truly psychedelic, just makes you really comfortable and cozy. you feel like a sponge soaked in nice warm water.
i'd recommend using it once or twice a month at most, otherwise you can very easily get more or less dependent.
this instead.
there is no short term health risk
long term risk is unknown
it is addictive
best way to take it is 3-4 grams by capsule on an empty stomach and wait about an hour and a half before it really kicks in.
I used up a kg of red borneo over about 3 months. It had a mild numbing effect. Helped with anxiety. Then I got another kg from the same supplier and after the first dose (just 4 grams) I got violently ill. Threw up for a whole day. I stopped using it immediately and went through nasty withdrawal for a few days. Chills, sweats, crawling skin feeling. Haven't used it since.
>Is it safe or dangerous?
Generally safe. I've heard it can have some weird effects on the endocrine system.
> Youtube is packed with videos from users shilling how harmless and fantastic it is.
It is pretty great. Nice for relaxing after work and shitposting. Its like coffee with an extra kick.
> Jow Forumsquitting kratom makes it sound like its almost as bad as heroin to quit
Not even close. The people who say that have never done heroin. Kratom will leave you mildly uncomfortable for a few days, but its not the retching shitting puking wanna die withdrawals like heroin.
I've been on it daily for about a month now . I've been burned twice by online dealers. Everything I've got has been weak compared to the first bag my buddy gave me. I'm not sipping rockstars anymore and it does make work smoother.
Never noticed anything like that. Generally it makes me not really care about anything. Sometimes it will flare my temper when coming down but a lot of opiates do that.
I bought a bunch of it at one time. I took some (maeng da) but it did nothing so I took more and really just ended up feeling super lethargic. I probably took too much. It's hydrophobic so it doesn't really mix very well and it tastes like ass. My suggestion is to get the extract pills or whatever but I'm not experienced with it really. Tried it once and threw it all away.
It's a useful plant that I compare to coffee.
I don't doubt some people get withdrawal at higher doses, but I took 2-3g of plain leaf a day for 2 weeks and had zero withdrawal when I stopped cold turkey.
I have a friend who's husband is addicted to it though, taking 15g or so a day. He used to be a heroin and coke addict though, so maybe it for the best he's only addicted to kratom.
Kratom is weak. It relaxes you, but doesn't mess with your head like weed.
starting casual opiate usage is not a good idea
opiates are pretty shit unless youre binging on them
kratom doesnt have withdrawal unless you use like 40 grams a day or something. if you listen to histrionic redditors they will tell you that they get high from snorting nootropics. the point isnt the withdrawal its that youre fucking up your hpta and messing with your mood or how your brain issues reward
Done it twice, it's stupid, better spend the money you would spend on kratom on weed.
Kratom killed my sexuality in general.
Casual kratom user here. Use it in moderation - roughly 2-5g every other day or so or less frequently - and you'll be fine. The idea that it's more addictive than heroin is total bullshit. It's best to take kratom on an empty stomach in my experience. The feeling is a slight head high but mainly the more relaxed state one might associate with opioids. It also has a bit of a stimulant-like kick to it.
mess with my head? you do know you put weed in the same sentence as that right ?
You might have anxiety or OCD. See a therapist and stay sober
it will probably never compare to the first bag. it was new then, you had no tolerance, etc
the best dose is usually on an empty stomach. overtime i’ve lost shitloads of weight and become far less ‘healthy looking’ from the malnutrition alone. i almost ever eat in the morning to get the best effects, and because i take it 2-3x (usually 3x) daily, i’m often starving myself.
also, for anyone wondering how to take powder... buy a shaker bottle and chocolate almond milk. it’s thick enough to mask the consistency and the chocolate masks the flavor very well. my routine is to fill to a little under the 100mL line and add 3g of kratom, shake and down it fast with no issues. never once vonited from flavor
Weed is shit.
My cousin and I tried Kratom a few years ago. Neither of us noticed any effect except maybe a light buzz. I kept upping the dose past the recommended amount but still felt nothing. It was a waste of money. Dunno what went wrong.
i thought that too when i read that
What really? I always drink while taking kratom it increases the high.
>overtime i’ve lost shitloads of weight and become far less ‘healthy looking’ from the malnutrition alone.
Same. I don't even eat at night, I come home, drink kratom and then start smashing beers lel. I've lost 40lbs(former fatty) and people always tell me how good I look now.
Little do they know its the drugs!
Weed makes you self conscious and think about stuff. Kratom just numbs you.
> i’m pretty sure it’s causing my eyebrows to go nearly bald
Nigga get your thyroid checked.
Looool
That's the thing. People say that kratom messes with your thyroid.
.Its completely nonexistent now that I stopped
Was a daily kratom user for 3.5 years. It's basically opiates lite. Withdraw sucked but to a much less a degree as full blown opiate withdrawl. PAWS seemed to last longer though. Anyway, its prob fine if you dont do it on the daily. I used for a year or so on a once/twice a week schedule with no probs. The other 2.5 years I was on ~35g day and it took several tries before I was able to kick that habit
Dude are you me? KEK
I'm in the best shape of my life from OMAD diet and Kratom
yeah i need to. waiting for my insurance to kick in from my job. i read all about hypothyroidism and the specific effect it has in losing your outer third eyebrows. i still feel like it’s from the kratom, i don’t have a single other symptom of thyroid issues
oh okay i see what you mean, the think about stuff is really intense, for me at least. But in the 10+ years i've been smoking the "to self conscious thing" never happened to me. and thank fuck for that! have you had that issue?
Might not be the best way, but I would wager that I'm healthier living this low calorie lifestyle + some substances than I was when addicted to junkfood and soda.
>kratom doesnt have withdrawal unless you use like 40 grams a day or something.
This is a lie. I was only using 12g a day and had noticeable withdrawal.
Yes that is how it cured it for me.
Kratom user for 4 years here. Quit 8 months ago. Some websites and brands are scams, some are the real deal. SocalHerbalRemedies was always my go to. Red Hulu Kapaus was my go to strain. Shit was fucking amazing. Took it everyday and made me feel good, then after a while I needed it like coffee. Then I realized it made me last longer in bed which was good. Then I stopped being able to get hard.
It was then that I realized it was fucking with my hormones. I always loved using it as a pre-workout, but it was painfully obvious my testosterone was taking a massive hit. I still kept using it.
Started not being able to sleep. I thought I always had sleep problems and then when I temporarily stopped dusting kratom I was able to sleep normally again, so I realized then that it's been fucking up my sleep.
The last thing I noticed before I quit completely was memory issues. I noticed my memory was not as good as it used to be. Long story short.. It wasn't and I quit instantly.
I was taking about 8-12g a day. These are common symptoms of long term use. People will tell you it's harmless but they have no studies to point to. It's a new plant in western medicine. Ask away if you have any other questions.
Guess my birthday first? Maybe then you’ll get better with the doxxing.
depends on the 'enhanced'
Normal '10x extraction' are fine (though i never got much else offf them vs leaf). Enhanced like UEI are 'enhanced' with pharms and will seriously fuck you up.
Don't do UEI or anything from a company known as "speciosa specialists".
If a 'blend' feels 100x better than kratom, mostly likely it's dosed with O-desmethyltramadol.
>SocalHerbalRemedies
you can legit buy it online?
Carfentanil will solve all your problems.
My parents owned a kratom vendor site from roughly 2007-2015(literally became millionaires from this shit). So I've met a lot of older long term users. A LOT of them were bald. Like definitely a disproportionate amount compared to the general population. So there's no doubt in my mind that it has an effect, its just the question as to whether that effect is actually bad for you besides the aesthetics of losing your hair.
Well yeah i'd always get more self conscious after smoking it.
Fuck ya you can. If you go on their site search for "speciosa" and kratom will come up. The kratom subplebbit has some very good resources. Premium Green Thai and Red/Green Hulu Kapaus are where it's at. Fuck that shits so good.
I switched to kratom from poppy seed tea because my job started testing me. Can't have poppy seed tea show up.
It can also cause constipation. Normally, it would make my shits so solid that I'd clog the toilet, but one time it backed me up something awful. I had horrible gas pains for hours and I couldn't shit. Couldn't even fart. I kept walking around my apartment and drinking water until the floodgates finally opened.
It made Joe Rogan even more retarded. Powerful stuff.
Regular opiates will constipate me but for some reason kratom makes me have to shit. I guess its the stimulant effect
Enhanced = powder + extract, not just an extract. I got a good dealer.
Kratom sounds like adderall from the way people describe it in this thread
its overrated
I was a heroin addict. Clean 8 years soon.
I fucked with kratom a long time. Many different strains and brands, even imported my own and ground my own leaves in bulk for a time.
Some people can manage taking small doses and be ok. I've seen many become very addicted. Puking, horrible constipation are the norm. Taking too much because it isnt working anymore and getting the hitters or whatever they call it. Horrible feeling.
Go into any headshop and stick around for a bit. Look at the addicts who come in to buy kratom. Read the peoples anecdotes online about how much it messed them up.
I think it should remain legal, but I highly urge caution. It seems so innocent in the beginning. I tell you my addiction to kratom was nearly as severe (and just as life-damaging) as heroin was. Moreso maybe because of all the side effects and shit.
It also does fuck with your hormones as I saw stated above. Suppresses happiness and emotion altogether. Be wary.
BTW if you don't buy it online you are getting scammed hardcore. Online prices are around $25 for 250-500 grams and they are way more potent. Tobacco shops rip you off with that fake marketing"10x" bullshit.
I take 15 grams at a time after 3 years. Don’t do it
Heh. I'm not losing any hair because of it though.
In a way. It has the same power adderall does in that it makes super boring mundane shit kind of fun or interesting. But that's where the similarities end.
That just seems so strange to me /:
As someone who has a hefty experience with kratom, I do genuinely see a difference in people who walk into headshops to buy it and people who know to order it online. Nonetheless, I stay away from it now. I used to be a poppy seed tea fien
It doesn't suppress your respiratory system like actual opiates so there's no danger of overdose or short term damage, you'll just throw up if you take too much. The effects are comparatively mild but it can reduce anxiety and depression, give you a feeling of general well-being, make work or boring tasks feel more interesting. And this is the slippery slope because while some people can manage to only take it once or twice a week, when the drug has so little draw backs you start to think well I don't want to go on being bored at work or feeling sad when alone or have anxiety when I'm out in public/with friends, what's the harm in taking this more often? That's the trap you have to watch out for, and when you start having to take more to get the desired effect because tolerance is real. It can make it hard to cum while you're high too fyi.
Withdrawls are a real, anyone who tells you otherwise is lucky because kratom affects everyone differently with the wide variety of alkaloids from the raw leaf (don't take extracts btw). No they're not as bad as actual opiates but if you've never done those what good is it as a point of reference? It's certainly not like quitting coffee, more bs. If you have developed tolerance and been dosing everyday for some time then yes you can expect some of the things you read on quitting kratom, flu like symptoms, restless leg syndrome, inability to sleep, depression, irritability etc. Then there's the PAWS after the first couple days pass.
The answer is somewhere in between. I’ve been using kratom for about three years. Biggest problem is it gets expensive. I feel like it does help my life though, I suffer from a host of mental illnesses and don’t have insurance, so it takes the place of anti depressants for me. There is a withdrawal when you go without it but it’s not that bad.
In the beginning I almost passed out a few times on the toilet.
Nice shilling idiot.
i used it for a while, it's great for feeling like your on opiates but not actually on opiates. it wasn't helping with whatever is wrong with me though, i noticed it started to make the left side of my face slouch and never used it since. kratom isn't some miracle plant like people like to claim. i'm sure its good for people with body aches but if you want to use it to help with anything that seems to be a mental issue, don't. i don't believe it will be of any help. to me it feels like it slows your brain/blood pressure down and makes your body lose motivation to heal naturally, probably due to how relaxed it can make you.
>expensive
Where do you get your kratom from user?
If you're buying it in person than you are getting ripped off. It will cost you about $25 a month or two if you buy it online.
(((You)))
>countered my triple 2s with his own triple 2s
Twoche, stoner.
I always just found it normal. Like thinking about other things, it made me reflex on myself and my life.
its bullshit that doesnt do anything and is sold as "weed" substitute to stupid people.
extract anything fucks up the ratio of antagonists to agonists
you can get a better feeling from it, but it also makes you more susceptible to dependency
It's not sold as a weed substitute dumbass
>its bullshit that doesnt do anything
100% untrue friendo
great anecdote about the headshop
the headshop here pretty much told me they survive off of kratom sales, it's insane how many ppl I see buying it whenever I stop in
You bought some and tried to smoke it, didn't you?