Automation

well, when you loss YOUR job make sure you have another messiah who will be "asking the questions"

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Its a false scare. Most of the cheaper industries cant automate too much, because their buyers are also their employees. Automate everything and not only do you lose 30% of your customer base, but another 30% who are now having to cut back on spending to look after the extended family who are now out of work. Its suicide for the business and the consumer.

Hasn’t stopped them the last 40 years

Why should we protect anything
It does not matter if a robot or a human does the job
Because you have two options
Option one
The robot takes someone´s job, and the person then does another job
Or
The robot takes someone´s job, and the person does not find another job
Which would not be a problem if the guy who lost the job, got welfare, because the money created is the same, so nothing is lost
You probably still make a plus
So the country does not loose any money because of it

And we are already seeing the effects. Businesses that continue to go down that route will eventually automate themselves out of the market.

this you can cut corners only so far

A country lives and dies by its demographics.
The problem is not automation. Australia will benefit from automation because we have a relatively small, higher educated population and resources that can be exploited/automated.

America already has, and will continue to have, dozens of millions of people living with almost nothing, as in third-world favelas. Those people will survive by doing small menial jobs in an informal economy. They don't actually need much to live: just food, fresh water, shelter, and the odd distraction (TV, mobile phone).

business's compete for the SHOT TERM advantage. its basically a function of natural selection

For example, suppose a forested region is occupied by a number of small, rival kingdoms. Those kingdoms that clear the most land for agricultural use can plant more crops and therefore can support a larger population than other kingdoms. This gives them a military advantage over their rivals. If any kingdom restrains itself from excessive forest7clearance out of concern for the long-term consequences, then that kingdom places itself at a military disadvantage and is eliminated by the more powerful kingdoms. Thus the region comes to be dominated by kingdoms that cut down their forests recklessly. The resulting deforestation leads eventually to ecological disaster and therefore to the collapse of all the kingdoms. Here a trait that is advantageous or even indispensable for a kingdoms short-term survival—recklessness in cutting trees—leads in the long term to the demise of the same kingdom.

That's true if your consumers are strictly your producers. But that's never the case. You can always export your stuff.

The end result of automation will be a global educated class using IT and automation to produce stuff consumed by that same class, and billions of people living in poverty. But is it really the end result? No, it's actually already the current situation. So not much will change.

As I said, they will eventually automate themselves to bankruptcy. As much as I hate to say it, eventually the govt would have to step in to regulate those who are too shortsighted just to protect the economy from itself. Either way, automation isnt going to be a major thing in the foreseeable climate.

NOTHING

GET RED OR GET DEAD :)

Just don't automate everything, unless you like eating mechanical oil and rat shit. Quality always suffers when you focus on quantity. We're making too much and wasting most already, so we should be focusing more on efficiency.

Tbh, if you're afraid of robots, you should poke your head out from under your rock. The future is here and you're already being replaced by a wave of brown invaders.

this.

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Mass automation will probably fundamentally alter our entire economic paradigm. I'm not even smart enough to conceive of a system where this works without culling like 90% of the population. Hopefully greater men than I have a solution.

>well, they automated my job at the food plant
>guess I’ll just stop eating

Yeah thats the effects we're already seeing, but if we continue down the automation route then that ruling class is going to be eroded away until there is literally no one left to buy what the robots are making. Small business could fall into the short sighted trap easily enough, but the big boys are more about sustainability.

I'm pretty sure the original plan was to marginalize the world population to a manageable level and enslave them to support the lavish lifestyles of the ruling elite. But they had no idea we would have robots. Soon goyim will be obsolete, which is bad news.

>well, they automated my job at the food plant
>I dont have money to eat now

Checked

Global UBI by the IMF.
And I'm not even joking.

It needs to be global and by the IMF to remove currency devaluation, tax evasion, and various other factors that could impede such a policy.

Suck a dick, homie.

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>I’ll keep buying food with my EBT
>the business just shifts the burden onto the state

If Global UBI happens we are all fucked and that's how we will know we've made it to the end.

Ai and robots will replace human race fir the good, nothing of value will be lost. Hopefully bmi will be good enough by that time so that we can upload ourselves to the cloud.

the govt wont be able to do this just as it is unable to do this now thanks to the lobby system? how can Congress members go against the interest of their sponsors? if you want to compete in the political arena you must receive donation, you must have sponsorship. look at Bernie - no donation means he wasn't been able to run for presidency.

>automation isnt going to be a major thing in the foreseeable climate.

you're very much wrong about that.

Automation was supposed to mean we all work less.

What it'll actually mean is that the rich can afford multiple servants again and have to continually repress and break the spirit of the masses for them to tolerate it.

If you don't think that is what's going on already with mass immigration in all developed western nations and growing censorship of free speech in Europe, then you're deluded. Every time the national debt of your country increases a disproportionate amount flows to the wealthiest 1%, then we simply must import more low a grade migrants to expand the economy to pay for it, blah blah

This is a multigenerational heist and won't stop without war or a massive political change that is both right wing on immigration, freedoms, law and order etc... but left wing on taxation and regulation to prevent corporate freebooting.... this is something the media work tirelessly against.

That is barely being held together as it is, who is going to pay for all these EBTs when 60% of the population is out of work and the other 40% barely pay taxes simply so they have enough money to survive, because the job they have has less customers every day? Who pays? The robots?

Why? There are various hindrances that need to be overcome to implement such a thing but it could change the whole world for better in rather profound ways.

>then that ruling class is going to be eroded away until there is literally no one left to buy what the robots are making

That's only true if there is one monopoly provider.
If there is two of them, they will trade with each other. But in reality there will be many more than that.
Automation does not fundamentally change the ways economics works. In fact automation is a very old notion. Entire industries have already been largely automated (car manufacturing, etc.)
The only thing is that it tends to increase the IQ required of workers, but again that's already the world we live in. What might change for the US is that the workers they've imported from Latin America go back to living like they lived a generation or two ago, i.e. in favelas.

Why do you think (((they))) keep pushing declining birth rates on the west? Pic very related

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Why is it not a thing now? There are already populations living in absolute poverty around the world. There is no UBI but some charities are helping them.
Why do you think automation will change that? The fact is: most people don't give a shit about those people, except a few NGOs.

>tfw third worlders imported as lefty voter stock are the reason menial jobs aren't automated

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Import millions of shitskins as fast as possible!!!!!

Show your flag. You don't understand the meaning of liberty.
If your entire existence depends on the government giving you something for nothing, you are a slave. You are not free, because you did not earn what you are given and it can be taken at any moment if you are not in compliance or obedient. That's why everybody on welfare is a slave to the state in that sense, and UBI is the final form of this concept. It will eventually tie in to the beast (world government) of Revelation where you won't be able to buy or sell if you don't worship the beast. This is all metaphor, but it's the same point I'm making: Be a good goy and you get UBI, if you don't bend the knee then you'll be cut off.

Because it was not that easy to actually implement.
Such a policy will require tremendous international cooperation. Such a level of cooperation was not possible during the Cold War. Historical animosity was just too high while connectivity and interdependence was just too low.
The Cold War ended just 30 years ago. Historical animosity is much lower now while there are much higher level of global interdependence and interconnection thanks to the Internet.

The Internet kinda makes the whole concept of the global basic income kinda technically possible.

Should ban innovation, already under way in USA you're on the right path!

Ahem. How exactly your liberty is impeded by some sort of UBI or global basic income?
It won't be feasible to take it away if it is designed properly.

The main difference of the UBI from welfare or social security is that it is UNIVERSAL. If you're a citizen you get it, universally, no questions asked or strings attached.

The global basic income is similar in the concept but just applies if you're a human. That's it.

No one will be brazen enough to take that away from you when the whole economy will be built around it.

>Better watch out, we'll send blacks to take your jobs and they will replace you!
>Better watch out, we'll send mexcians to take your jobs and you will have to speak spanish, they will replace you!
>Better watch out, we'll send your jobs to china and you will have to learn mandarin and live there, they will replace you!
>Better watch out, we'll build robots with AI and you will be forced to be a programmer, they will replace you!
How is that replacement going for you godless heathens?

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>No one will be brazen enough to take that away from you when the whole economy will be built around it.
No, the whole economy will be built around automation. All of us will just be mouths to feed, and why should they? Can you give me a single good reason? The only reason the system works now is because they need us. Industry needs labor, laborers need money. What happens when industry no longer needs labor? Why should (((they))) keep us alive when they've always hated us anyway?

It’s almost like the industrial revolution was a giant mistake and stripped people of their self sufficiency

they wont keep you alive.

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The key difference is that UBI is something for nothing.

If the goal of providing jobs is to produce things that means automation is good since it produces more. If the goal of providing jobs is to make people feel useful it's an awful solution since people don't feel useful at all. Ignore all these obsolete paradigms created by the industrial revolution or feudal farming kingdoms, the eternal truth that will bring us to the new era is Christ.

Industry needs customers. Industry needs maintainers. Industry needs scientists. Industry needs entrepreneurs. Industry needs innovation and competition. Industry needs brainpower.
You sound like a fucking Marxist with a freakish labor theory of value, which was experimentally proven already to be wrong.
Capitalism works by having customers and moving wealth back-and-force between customers and capitalists. By introducing UBI into the system you introduce much more demand and that creates a need for more industry.
Labor doesn't need to play a role per se, especially if there is high level of automation, which destroys value of labor.

So what? It's something for being part of human civilization. If civilization could afford it and its useful for the civilization then why not?
It's a viable solution for the problem of high degree of automation.

>force
*forth
>its
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Not having enough sleep is quite bad for my spelling.

>Shilling for UBI
>UN flag
>probably a kike
>Accuses others of being Marxist
That's funny. But the real issue is that the government is giving you an allowance, essentially. Which makes you the child, and the state is your parent. Like a child, you have no say in how much you get. You have no power to earn. Your financial potential in life is predetermined. And this is all asuming the government truly has your best interest at heart which is naive at best.
The more probably outcome is that the state uses UBI as a tool to leverage power over its population.

there is already enough wealth in civilization to provide everybody on earth with food, clean ruining water, clothes, houses, education, security etc.. yet many people IN THE "ADVANCED" world lack those things, not just the "mentally ill" or drug addicts but "normal people"

the truth is that there is no civilization

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Alec Trevelyan, is that you?

Do the opposite of this kike and it is an easy win for the future

modern labor is superfluous

>have no say in how much you get
You do through democracy. The problem of authoritarian governments is totally different and its not like it is any better at this point. Employment is a tool of control in the authoritarian governments currently already. UBI could even give citizens more independence in authoritarian countries to be honest.
>You have no power to earn.
That's wrong. UBI doesn't remove your power to work, do business, etc. It could even encourage it by providing basic insurance against various risks. It might also encourage removal of bullshit jobs.
>Your financial potential in life is predetermined.
Why? It doesn't. UBI should just cover some basic needs and maybe some extra at best. Everything after that should be in the hands of the people.

>kill them
>use their corpses as robot fuel
>???
>profit

Why not just abolish taxation then.

> Who pays? The robots?
yes they do they take your job you get their pay
other robots just make production expenses lower for the firm

They will be soft-genocided, some will be kept as slaves

How will it help exactly?
Taxation is needed to provide and maintain infrastructure as well as correlate government budget to the economy size.

The current glaring problem of the capitalism is that customers don't have enough money to maintain consumption.
In 20th century customers got money from capitalists through labor and wages.
That system doesn't work at this point due to growing amount of automation and demand for high-skilled professionals.

If you eliminate taxes at this point only capitalists will benefit. Consumers won't suddenly get more money by eliminating taxation.

robots dont get payed, the OWNER of the robot get paid. now, why will a capitalist just had out money to useless people? wealthfare is ALREADY declining, in the US as well as in EU and China.

no free meals remember?

the truth is that many, MANY people will be simply more and more poor. and if they riot then the government will simply deploy its militarized police force.

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We'll see when employers and corporations require less and less from people. I just fear I won't be alive to see it. Yea, I have that hatred for all these sacks of shits who put money above everything including family. I want to see the day when all of that becomes meaningless, when all the worthless trinkets they thought meant something, turns out to be worthless.

The inherent problem is there is no need for robots without customers.

You're wrong about communism but entirely right about your assessment of the situation.
What people don't realize is that automation is merely a continuation of the current situation, so there is no particular reason why the situation would change: a rich minority of middle to upper class people and billions of poor people.

this guy gets it

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>The inherent problem is there is no need for robots without customers.
We don't have that problem. You can have a global producer-consumer class of a few dozen million people, maybe a servant class of a few hundred millions, and the rest living in absolute poverty. This is already more or less the current situation.

Humanity

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Socialism will become a literal inevitably.

Provide real educations

with automated means of production the elite can produce what it consumes without the proletariat.

the proletariat is problematic, it goes on strikes. it demands all types of benefits and improvements in its condition. a robot simply preforms a task 24/7

we already see "gated communities", private security firms, Black Water etc..

the elite will not need the consumers. it will provide itself what it needs or wishes to have.

the surplus humanity will be left to rot like in gaza

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Exactly my point. Well said.

"Left to rot" in constantly better living conditions and absolute wealth.
>oh no guys producing things is becoming too cheap! surely this is the end of the world!

Not everyone is dumb in the rich minority. Some people do understand that the current situation is unsustainable. That's why some things like UBI, higher taxes, etc are getting a push from some rather wealthy people in the global elite.

That's unsustainable. Russian Empire had something like that at the start of 20th century and it ended in the most fucking bloody political experiment in the human history. The elite died first in that experiment. I don't think that everyone with power on this planet is dumb enough to repeat that.

>what can the government do

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> gas the kikes and boomers
> let the prices of everything fall brutally
> don't let shitty people have children
> some form of non-jewed non-marxisted basic income

>billions in (((poverty)))
If you make 30k a year that's top %1 in the world

How is that unsustainable?
This is pretty much the current situation with rich countries with high IQ / high automation living a good life and destitute African countries.

There is nothing particularly unsustainable about it. You'll have high-IQ, closed borders / restricted immigration countries like Singapore, Taiwan, or Australia having high quality of life thanks to automation and IT, and open borders countries with low IQ populations living in townships. Again, I'm not making a very advanced forecast, just pretty much extrapolating the current situation.

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Under socialism work is distributed evenly and as automation decreases need for labor everyone simply works fewer hours, as the fruits of automation are distributed to the worker, and not the capitalist.

>automatons will put us out of work
Isn't that what they were made for?
I'm not too sure how robots making the lives of humans more easier is a bad thing. If I remember correctly, robots were made for the sole purpose of doing things man simply cannot. Like continuously work for 48+ hours

Under socialism people compete to do as little work as possible, the only pressure countering that is hunger which means you end up with barely enough food, you need hunger as the signal that you're being too lazy and have to get to work.
Under capitalism people compete to produce as much as possible so the world is filled with useless shit and food we throw away. Everyone benefits but it's very wasteful and often not sustainable since we tend to eat up resources as quickly as possible.

You guys are blowing automation out of proportion. Simply put, the materials, electronics, and programming capacity just isn't there to automate what a man can do, and anyone who thinks that's the case has never done these two things together: !) do actual labor (welding, loading cars into containers for shipping, etc.), and 2) go to a school with a heavy robotics field. There's currently no robot that can physically do what a man can do to say, attach a car to the inside of a container for shipping. It's something that's dead simple for a man to do, but basically impossible for a robot to do with the current technology, and really the technology that will exist in 30 years, and even when that technology exists, why should I buy a $1million robot to do what some schmuck can do (for that single, specific task) for $12 an hour, and then I can take that schmuck and say, have him clean the warehouse, run errands, etc. etc.

>t. some guy who's done exactly that

We will do what we did in the 20s and again in the 70s...

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Import millions of low skilled workers from 3rd world countries.

communists always ruin these threads. You aren't going to stop automation.

>what can the government do to protect the American Worker?
Kill all the welfare queens now, so that we have room for new ones later.

And how that closed border thing is working?
Europe and the US has a lot of migrants and will probably have even more.
Don't even tell me that high-IQ population will allow mass-slaughter on the border when migrants will form caravans and such. It won't.

Eventually even dirt poor countries will amass enough resources to make nuclear weapons like North Korea. And if those populations are poor they literally have nothing to lose in nuking rich countries just out of spite.
It will be impossible to solve every such instance by military force because high-IQ individuals kinda hate dying in shitholes and high-IQ individuals kinda value morality and human life to kill civilians indiscriminately.

Current situation might cause a new surge of the communism/marxism in the world, because poor and uneducated populations really love that ideology for some reason. And military communism is dangerous for the elite because it expropriates property.

maybe we should use robots to put all nonwhites into labor camps and then kill them.

>based brozil
Automation is a union/socialist bogey man that they pull out of their ass every 50 years.

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> IMF
This shabbos goyim collective trashed the world in the 80's and 90's. Incinerate yourself, kike.

What about today's elites? With automation will come many other technological advances which may give them access to superhuman abilities. UBI doesn't solve this. It's a wealth inequality issue

UBI

>high-IQ individuals kinda hate dying in shitholes and high-IQ individuals kinda value morality and human life to kill civilians indiscriminately.

High IQ people won't stay in those shitholes.
Again, no need for sci-fi scenario, just look at the current world. There is a brain drain from third-world countries into the west, where the smartest are emigrating, leaving behind them billions of poor, low-IQ people who certainly won't be building nukes anytime soon.
This is what the future will be: a global class of high-IQ knowledge workers, some sort of intermediate servant class, and billions of destitute people. And in fact it's already the current situation.