What is the best way to market-pill an anti-capitalist “right winger”? Pic related

Economy is commerce and law at the moment.
That book aint any of those son.

Huh?

I know more than you

My main problem with classical liberalism and open borders/trade is that the world doesn't live under the same economic or political system. Incompetent and corrupt regimes like Venezuela impoverish millions of their citizens, and then American low-skilled workers are forced to compete with those impoverished workers, which drives down the market value of their labor. I mean, it works great for business owners. But how does this work for labor?

Or demographics, which influence market and government policy. But don't tell libertardians this, because MUH MARKET FORCES.

you're the one who needs redpilling

This guy gets it.

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Yeh but we need to separate Capitalism and Globalism. Right now they are taught together

Agreed. Who do libertarians think is pushing for socialism right now? Poor first and second generation immigrants, along with low-skilled native borns who have seen their wages stagnate.

A little confused by your post. Are you talking about having to compete with *immigrants* from Venezuela, or with workers operating domestically within their own country? The wording in your sentence is a weird conflation of the two. I also don’t know many prominent Neoliberals who advocate for completely open borders, but they do advocate for open trade, because it’s distinct from the former concept, and only incurrs positive outcomes in the aggregate.

No, fuck you.

>t. kike loving faggot

Picture of a Nazbol standing in an empty grocery store screaming “AT LEAST I’M NOT A MATERIALIIIIIIIIIIIST” into eternity

>Nazbol
you dumb nigger...
capitalists and commies are both materialists

It takes a lot of reading and unless you want to devote yourself to learning you won’t do it.

This. Free trade with countries which have the same labor cost basis is fine.

Exactly. You are that dumb irl.

I'd say both. What's the difference between an American manufacturing company hiring cheap immigrant labor vs. an American manufacturing company outsourcing manufacturing to a country with cheap labor and then transporting the goods back to the United States with 0 tariffs? Shipping costs?

The goods might be cheaper, which in effect increases the purchasing power of Americans, but that alone doesn't make up for the depressed wages. Does it?

Yeah, exactly. So, by virtue of acknowledging that, an undeniable corollary is that ~90% of people (that is being generous) do not have legitimate political opinions. That includes basically everyone on this board.

Not really. Nazbol is pretty far-removed from Communism’s dialectical materialist Marxist roots, and just appropriates a lot of imagery associated with it.

Why don't you take a trip to Somalia? Heard they got some very free markets down there.

This is a pretty good red pill.

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No it's not, what exactly is the point of it. In reality, land is not divided like that.

nazbol still obviously is materialistic and the point was you're a kike

Uhhh, first of all, not even the most ardent protectionsits claim “depressed wages” as a primary effect of open trade. You’re conflating it with open borders/open labor markets again. The usual claim is that it causes unemployment, but this has been empirically blown out of the water after countless longitudinal empirical studies, and it’s not because da jooz told economists in academia to have certain views or whatever.

Also, wages haven’t been depressed over the years. They’ve actually risen when you consider purchasing power benefits + increased worker compensation. You’re pedalling layman’s econ that basically appeals to 92 IQ working class white people in key swing state areas that Trump wanted to win. There is nothing magical about that factory work, and it is often made up for in the form of new jobs in shipping/processing: FACT! You are so fundamentally wrong about everything that it is painful.

Your definition of materialism is literally any economic system which acknowledges that we are governed by scarcity. Kys, idealist. Go back to the 20th century where your stupid ideas went to die.

A collapsed socialist dictatorship?

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There is literally no state, no regulations, no welfare. According to your own ideology it should be the perfect country.

I seem to be hearing more and more commies using the JQ as a way to promote their ideology.
Is this legit retardation, or are they using a cheap appeal and think no one will notice the hypocrisy?

The problem is that wealth and land are not alike in the relevant respects.

jfc you're so outrageously off base idk where to start
show flag

>implying your meme doesn't also apply to marxism

So it's just a myth that the millennial generation is doing poorer than their parents. People are frustrated for no reason.

You’re retarded. I never once claimed to be an Anarchist in this thread.
Marx was a self hating jew and thought finance capitalism was jewry.
Muh surplus value. Literally not worth arguing with. You arbitrarily defined some point on this pie graph, and it ignores how profits are reinvested back into business. Literally not worth arguing with someone who refuses to acknowledge even the most basic of market concepts

90% a myth. We are “poorer” in the sense that we have less savings available, on average, but this has nothing to do with free trade, and everything to do with our financial establishment as established in 1913. 100% of the time when the view is repeated by politicians, it is false, though. Our living standards are higher.
Nope. Shut the fuck up, moron.

Literally this. People here are just poverty ridden losers larpening as smart to cope with their shit life.

>I'm ashamed of my kike flag
kek

Nah, I’m American, but you would just call me a 56er or come up with some excuse for me being Jewish. Not worth the extra clicks to indulge in your insane fantasies.

>Self-hating
I don't think Trotsky was.
Or if the allegations are true, Lenin.
Or the Central Bolshevik Commitee.
Or all the other Jewish communists.
Frankly, I don't think he was self-hating either. His predictions were so wrong, that I have to think he was either an actual retard or disingenious.
It kind of gets into conspiracy territory, but I really don't think he was self-hating.
Why are you avoiding the fact that our financial establishment is pro-free trade to the extreme? Are you retarded enough to buy into the "we don't need reciprocity" meme?

>American
>not a kike flag
lmao no shit, only you niggers still fetishize capitalism as if it wasn't just another form of kikery

Hahaha no. I’m talking about Karl Marx, and referencing his essay titled “On the Jewish Question.

I’m obviously referencing the financial reserve and the endless selling off of debt to foreign investors who only keep our worthless dollar afloat by virtue of the fact that it is so widely circulated. Fucking faggot Nazis don’t want to credit the abandonment of sound money policies in our civilization’s decline, because epic declension narratives are about degeneracy more emotionally appealing to them. Faggots!

Epic declension narratives about degeneracy*

tf you even on about?

Which particular point? Marx’s Jewish Question essay, or the fact that the abandonment of sound money policies are empirically more of a problem than your dumb misinterpretations of trade policy?

that whole tirade about money is stupid as shit
the dollar only survives since 71 because of oil and you haven't had any "sound money policies" for over a century

>you haven’t had any sound money policies for over a century
?????which is literally the point i’ve been making

maybe you should stop strawmanning natsocs then
nobody denies the FED has been fucking the whole world

>Is there a map containing the death counts of collectivism various faces?
>(Ongoing)

Everything I've read on economics, including material written by ardent supporters of free trade, admit that a downside to globalization and free trade is depressed wages in industrialized countries for low-skilled workers, however this cost is offset by cheaper goods that increase the purchasing power of workers and increased GDP growth and make for better products (among other things, etc.). But you would dispute even that? Is there any literature you can point me to that supports your view? OP pic related?

Yeah, but you fucking morons want to replace it with le epic aryan bank or some derivative thereof. You don’t actually understand the sheer magnitude of the issue, or how interest rate manipulation sends false signals to and ruins economies. I know this because natsocs are the same faggots who advocate against muh “usury” (artificial manipulation of interest rates). The Fed already enacts policies that natsocs would like. You just don’t like it because you think it’s Jooish

Yeah, but you’re taking one clause of that sentence (the former) out of context to be a pro-protectionist argument, when it’s not. It’s not touted as an actual net downside by anyone, because it is more than offset. It’s a moot point

That's a terrible analogy. There is a specific limit on the amount of land in the US, where as the amount of wealth can grow. If someone gets more land, there is less available to everyone else. If I become rich, I am not taking away the wealth of others in order to do that.

Not everyone here is an Nazi fyi. Are you opposed to having a central bank in general?

>let me strawman even harder and then deny the FED is jewish
are you fucking retarded?

Local or state banks that mint currency are fine. I don’t wany anything with the functions of the Federal reserve.
I’m not fucking strawmanning, when anti usury advocacy has been extremely prevalent among Nazis.

Also probably will have a different ID

>replace it with le epic aryan bank
>not fucking strawmanning

>economy is doing great
>reee taxation is theft
>mismanagement causes collapse
>aaaah government save me
Markets are created and enforced by the state.
If "free-marketers" paid their taxes everything would be fine.

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Yeah, a corollary of Nazis’ advocacy against Usury is a bank to regulate the practice, moron

>muh profits are reinvested

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>regulate
you misspelled "abolish"
also you forgot that we want to end fiat money as well

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By giving them a choice of either that or a helicopter ride.

Wut. How does this even come close to disproving that? The money doesn’t just sit in the tax havens. It’s put there to avoid taxes. And, business growth would literally be impossible of profits generally weren’t reinvested. You would literally see no business growth. You’re a fucking moron

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Me horny

Lol how would you abolish certain banking practices without replacing them with nationalized banks?

Risk, uncertainty, and profit

But Striker said capitalism was invented by Jews on heelturn

socialists get the rope

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>open borders and international mega corporations

>blaming capitalism instead of laws enforced by the welfare state that allow shitskins in by baiting them with welfare funded with your tax dollars.

>somehow thinks that companies benefit from unskilled 3rd world labor

You are a dense one aren't you?

>how
gas
what is your solution to worthless money?

No, you can still trade for some things, but no currency is involved.

Yeah OK but gassing people isn’t a serious economic position.
And, obviously a gold-backed currency

>business growth would literally be impossible of profits generally weren’t reinvested
>Stock buy backs
Artificially inflate the value of stocks without actually doing anything.

Hahahahahahaha human societies universally abandoned bartering all across the globe, because it’s extremely inefficient

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In your bizarre fantasy world where literally every business is a giant corporation

And not a single argument as to why libertarianism is bad.

>gold-backed currency
which I wouldn't be against
I don't see what your issue is with ns

it's not bad it's utopic

Because you want to distrupt the natural mechnisms that determine interest rates and send signals as to whether or not the economy is healthy, allowing good investment practices to take place.

No one ever said that if we had libetarianism it'd be a utopia although it's heavily implied by non-libertarians or people who have somewhat of a clue about how libertarianism works.

Not on a national level, plus precious metals could function more or less like a medium of trade when there is no direct demand for other natural resources.

Free market anti-capitalism is a thing though.

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>natural mechnisms
>interest rates
lel there's nothing natural about extortion
natsoc is naturalist fyi
>No one ever said that if we had libetarianism it'd be a utopia
I've talked to dozens on you guys and most of you are extremely deluded and legit buy the "magical free market will solve everything" meme

Spoken like a poor person, or someone who has parents who pay for their shit while they go to college.

They reinvested you dolt. The only time money is not actively entering the economy is when it physically just sits in a safe as cash. No rich person sits all of their assets in cold hard cash because the reality of that is that should they do that they are losing money because of inflation.

If you're doing it to a Nat Soc type make sure to let them read the whole book before you tell them Sowell is black,

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I can’t wrap my head around your inability to understand why currency is an infinitely more efficient method of exchange

This has devolved into a ridiculous semantic argument

>This has devolved into a ridiculous semantic argument
I suspect it always was