The NPC meme is real and it's worse than you thoughr

Because it turns out that aside from not having a inner voice there are people with no visual imagination, a condition called aphantasia.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aphantasia?wprov=sfla1

>Er fand heraus, dass die Fähigkeiten dazu sehr unterschiedlich waren; einige Einzelpersonen konnten sich ein geistiges Bild absolut realistisch und detailliert vorstellen, während andere nur ein sehr schwaches oder überhaupt kein Bild sahen.Galton beschrieb Aphantasie als verbreitetes Phänomen unter seinen Kollegen.
>He [Francis Galton] found out that the ability [to imagine a table with breakfast] was very different for each person. Some were able to mentally produce a detailed and realistic picture, while others could barely do it or not at all. Galton then descrined aphantasia as common among his collueges.
Translated from the German Wikipedia article.

>In the same paper [Lives without imagery – Congenital aphantasia, Zeman, 2015] it was identified that aphantasia characterizes only voluntary visualizations; the aphantasiacs were still able to have involuntary visualizations (i.e. dreams).
From the Englisch Wikipedia.

I am sorry for ever doubting you guys, Jow Forums was right all along.

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That's interesting. Is there any chance that Aphantasia could be put into the medical books as a mental disorder?

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Also this fresh reddit thread where NPC openly talk about having no inner voice and/or no visual imagination. It was the reason for my post.
>inb4 i have to go back
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No.

I have an inner monologue but little to no visual imagination. Does that make me 50% NPC? Can I be a cyborg?

I really need to try hard to make images in my head
Must be a nice superpower to have

90% are soulless -- this is why scholars created religions in Mesopotamia, by owning the existential/spiritual link in the 90% soulless' lives, they were able to maintain an invincible empire that still operates in the Vatican today. Even Chris Steele met Strzock at the Vatican. Just think about that...

Educate your kids young and they will have a mind's eye. Don't spread your soulless potato chip consciousness without effort to evolve it.

Yes sir, I will always try to expand my mind

Why not? NPCs are fucking retards.

NPCs are just a fact of life. I doubt we could purge them all, so you just gotta accept it for the most part these days. Maybe in the future we can get rid of them

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I cannot draw because I have trouble forming original images in my mind
Although if I look at an image I can later recall it & see it in my mind.
Drawing is just totally impossible for me.
So only drawfags have souls? Only drawfags are real people, the rest of us who cannot draw by creating & visualizing things in our mind are NPCs?

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The scary thing is to think that huge portions of people who self report having an inner voice may very well not.

I'm fine of course.
Didn't expect so many faggots to be NPC. Get shit on

lots of people are bad at forming original images, that's not really a big deal

what the fuck is this inner voice thing?
hearing voices is what makes you actually crazy

I am extremely good at recognizing patterns & completing them
And other things, that drawfags seem to lack
So I suppose really there is just two types of people

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>giving us mutts even more fractions to brag about
Yeah my grama was an NPC so I'm a quarter NPC

>So I suppose really there is just two types of people
People and NPCs

For example when you quietly read you will normally have a inner voice reading it to you, but NPCs you don't and get confused about it.

This may not be limited to the inner I am afraid...

wait a i minute i just realized... how the fuck do those people fap? those poor poor cunts... they are completely dependent on porn and will never be able to create that perfect kink imagery for themselves inside their head

there's lots of types of people.
I for instance have plenty of internal voice, I can't even type a word without saying it (maybe if I tried to I could do it without)
I can also solve software problems (software engineer) extremely fast by basically practicing patterns into almost simulatable rules which I like to think are solved in an almost physics like manner. When something feels off, the same way you might feel off after getting off of a treadmill, I know I should inspect closer.

There are lots of ways of thinking, unfortunately these people have hardly any of the,

Yep.

Basically, the philosophical idea of "p-zombies" may actually be a real phenomenon.

Makes complete sense when you realise that sentient consciousness provides no evolutionary advantage (within our current understanding of evolution).

So the bodies with their instincts and even full mental behaviour can all evolve, and should evolve, given natural selection. But the experience of being aware of one's own existence does not provide any evolutionary advantage. Why does it exist then?

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How the fuck do these people get anything done at all, some of them can't even read non-fiction books because they can't understand what's going on.

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whoever wrote this was probably an NPC who could only think in images

Drawing takes years of practice though

>(((medical books)))

4chaners can't even agree if the sky is blue

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You are on fourchan faggot. A cyborg is someone who dates like a normie but still glued himself to Jow Forums stop appropriating our vocab

t. npc

and that's a good thing

It's as true as these kinds of short generalizations about complex things get. You can think in the patterns you are trained in using, a trained cab driver visualizes the entire way instantly using a physical blob of neurons we can measure in him which represents a map of the area he works in. A trained mathematician can think using his trained symbols and operations directly.

Most young people have no such specialized training to rely on so it's fine to rely mostly on words but if you're old and still doing that you wasted a lot of the potential of your mind for training.

TFW im a visual artist and i think i got an aphantasia or whatever its called
fml lul

You're blowing it up to be way bigger than what it is. I actually posted another post here describing exactly what you're saying, but the statement "and idiots think in words" reeks of smug liberal bullshit by someone trying to make it sound like they're smart, so I'm saying he likely thinks in images and is trying to make himself feel good

Can you not picture your family members faces without seeing them?

It's not any better to be limited to thinking in words than it is in pictures. If you can't fluidly do both, you just suck.

>It's as true as these kinds of short generalizations about complex things get.
It's a good meme that triggered you. All these memes are good because they make people think about how they think.

Will NPC become a pronoun eventually?

Typing without saying it in your head first? Does ANYONE really do this? Wtf

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how the fuck can you picture them if you never saw them?

How could they be your family members if you never saw them?

you're trying way too hard man

You should try more.

You are a fucking leaf.

YES

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this is a good start satan sig goppejävel knifen, close your eyes and try to picture your family members if you can't neck yourself you creepy ghoul-npc

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>shadman

Why do you believe in (((psyhology)))?

i dont think i can..
what i can do is sort of.."feel" the "concept" of what im trying to visualise, but i cant literally see it, as other people describe it
its very abstract

how does it work for you?

you clearly ain't a nigger

Well hardly anyone can literally see in their mind's eye. If you can picture something enough to recall or create its details, you don't have aphantasia. For example, if you can remember how your fathers eyes or hairstyle looks, you have normal capability for imagination.

no one literally sees anything, it's more that they know what it looks like. You can't put a Head Up Display in your eyes, but you can pretend in your head that you do. It's why it gets difficult for people to describe details of faces they haven't studied and why dreams leave out a lot of specific details that may actually remind you that you're in a dream if you focus on them. When you're dreaming/sleeping/eyes closed, it's a lot easier to do.

I would describe it as an extremely low contrast image with a giant dark filter covering it

Maybe because mutations are not directed and this one has no big enough negative impact on the carriers to become victims of natural selection, nor has it as you stated a big enough positive impact to prevail against those without it. Basically it has no effect on your ability to spread your genes, but that doesn't change that the fact NPCs are lesser beings.

Have you ever been in a dream where you talk and do stuff and didn't realize it was a dream at the moment but everything still acted and functioned perfectly fine? That's about as maximum as visualization is gonna get

>no one literally sees anything

Advanced meditators do. Some drugs give this ability temporarily too. It takes years of practice to develop it as a permanent skill.

>there are people who can't visualize their thoughts
Wait what
>Wait people actually hear voices in their heads? Waaaait wait wait. I only have images or feelings of things I need to do, etc. there is no “voice” I hear. It’s not like an actual conversation in my own head. Is that normal?
Wait fucking what? Fucking hell Jow Forums this better be an elaborate ruse

One thing I remember hearing years ago was that "masturbating without visual stimulation is good for your brain because it forces your imagination to work on creating content for you"

Do you masturbate without visual stimulation (not at a computer/no porn)
How do you masturbate without that visual stimulation?

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When you type words, do you say the words in your head?
When you read a book, do you say the words in your head (I know there are different/faster ways to read without doing this)
Can you read a book out loud? Can you continue to read the book after stopping saying words out loud?

>How do you masturbate without that visual stimulation?
i put my sister's worn panties on my face which i stole from the dirty clothes bin

>Basically it has no effect on your ability to spread your genes

Self-aware people can willingly opt out of reproduction. Zombies can't. The natural state of a p-zombie is to seek reproduction. A PC makes this choice consciously.

There are people that can't think in multiple modalities. This is a serious problem.
I was surprised to find that people generally don't have an inner monologue, inner movie, backing track, and inner sensations that they can turn on and off separately and at will (a bit like an autopilot).

ive been doing an exercise where i try to imagine various shapes and forms: for example a cube or a hypercube, whatever, then move it, spin it around and morph it, but it didnt feel like seeing it.


i admittedly havent done a ton of research on aphantasia, but from what ive gathered - people CAN literally see it..

I have a 'highlight reel' of vivid memories from past sexual encounters that I can conjure up at will. I can also imagine having sexual encounters that have never actually happened and daydream about what it might be like.

It's kind of blowing my mind a bit that there are people out there who claim that they can't do this sort of thing. I always assumed that 'unimaginative' people were boring because they never expanded their minds by reading/watching media outside their comfort zone or never tried to write a story or something, but the notion that some people are clinically incapable of picturing shit in their head makes a spooky amount of sense.

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drawing is impossible for you because you never practiced it. Go a head and draw a fucking cardinal on google images and see how it turns out.

What do you mean by "didn't feel like seeing it"? Did you see something or did you see nothing?

>I am sorry for ever doubting you guys, Jow Forums was right all along.
Soon you will learn that Jow Forums is always right. Even larps turn out to be right.

Then eventually you'll realize that every post is talking about you and that the reason Jow Forums exists is to guarantee your ascension to the throne of Antichrist.

When I was a wee lad I used to pretend to have a scouter and see people's powerlevels. It was kinda like putting a green tint on everything but it was also kinda like both seeing it and not seeing it at the same time. Can you play music in your head? You know how you hear something when nothing is actually there? Imagine something like that but with an image.

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I looked through the posters who claimed they had an inner voice there, and the one's claim they didn't
so far
3 out of 4 of the 'no inner voice' group are 'leftists' (meaning I was able to find posts that are generally repeated parts of the 'narrative')
The one NPC who wasn't (confirmed to be) a leftist only posted on 'women rating' threads, all of his posts were rating women.
6 out of 7 of the 'inner voice' group have been either moderate or on the right (Either I couldn't find political posts, or they are clearly on the right or in the middle), the non NPC that was a leftist also happened to be black

holy shit its actually that bad

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its not

I studied Chemistry and only about 5% could visualise and perform transformations on a 3D object in their mind. They permitted molecular model kits in exams because the rest were unable to do it at all.

my inner voice is always "on", that's just how it works
Welp at least it explains why I feel like a different species around people sometimes.

Poor nutrition essentially turns off the body's ability to filter out poisons, such as heavy metals, or flouride compounds. If you live in America, 99.9% of you are missing 30 IQ points, and are essentially a zombie. (((They))) have been committing violence against you since before you were even born. You need to understand if you ever got a flu shot or are vaccinated you are mentally retarded, and your WiFi is broken.

My mental imaging is so good that I turn my pillow into detailed anime waifus when I go to bed. Is that good enough?

Nice DBZ hivemind. Yeah I can compose both sound and visuals in my mind.

>my inner voice is always "on", that's just how it works

Will be very useful to learn to quiet it at demand, if you are not currently able to do that.

people have always asked me if i am able to imagine things, i always wondered how they couldn't themselves. i guess i know now. i hate what this place has done to me.

kek didn't notice that

>my inner voice is always "on", that's just how it works

this, from the time I wake up until the time I sleep that voice is always there

It is kind of unsettling to know this isn't how it is for everyone...

You need practice. I can form the image of what I want to draw in my head, but it doesn't come out right. Practice, practice, practice. Nobody is gifted with just being able to do something out of the blue, you have to work towards it. Does that mean everyone is on an equal playing ground? No, some people are more adept to things than others.

It's almost as if these people are not people at all and are just meat walking around breathing out air.

Read whole thread, it's worth it.

But having a free will and chosing to not reproduce doesn't affect your ability to do so if you wanted to. Otherwise I agree.

>I would describe it as an extremely low contrast image with a giant dark filter covering it
that sounds very familiar. sort white noise-ish? in how much detail can you 'see'?

thats what im trying to figure out - if whats happening when i close my eyes and try to visualise things, is what you guys call seeing it.
but to answer your Q: im pretty sure i see nothing - sort of dark white noise.
yet i can imagine an apple, take it in my imaginary hands and hold it, spin it around, but i dont "see"

I only have two "this" pics and this one sucks.

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You don't imagine the entire thing, just parts that represent it.

What the fuck, how the hell do these people function? Granted, this explains why 90% of all people are shit, but my god. It fills me with all kinds of emotions to realize I’m actually living around soulless bags of meat.

>people have always asked me if i am able to imagine things

Why would they ask you that?

Wake induced lucid dreaming worked but never lasted long for me. I always just fell asleep after a bit or got too worked up about the experience of flying or whatever and woke up.

wew lad

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NPCs are real and can be accurately categorized as the three types of Neutrals within Character Alignment. There are three types of neutrals, of course: Lawful, True, and Chaotic.

Lawful neutrals deny the existence of mind and subjective experience. To them mind = brain, and they're set on believing that consciousness will eventually be proven to not exist. These are your typical warmongering beauracrats: Obama for instance is LN. They also believe that all members of a group are equal and all actions are influenced by your social circumstances. Individuality, to them, is an illusion.

True Neutrals are similar but even worse in some fashion. They believe the mind is inherently empty and is to be filled with cultural garbage and biological urges. They believe that your emotions and thoughts = you and when your emotions/thoughts change you become an entirely different person. Which means that, to them, any two people sharing the same thoughts/feelings are effectively the same person. They lack a conception of Ego and operate entirely on a comvination of social pressure (superego) and instincts (Id). These are your typical earth-worshipping Hippies.

CN, btw, are extreme subjectivists. So at first glance they might appear to not be NPCs. They believe that you = your subjective experiences. But as a consequence, that means that any two people sharing the same experience (such as two people in the same location looking at the same thing) are the same person. They are "of one mind" and share a "common sense." By extension they are also relativists and love shapeshifting into other people; they worship individuality while completely lacking it. These are the Hipsters. They lack a true concept of mind and are therefore NPCs.

How can the sky be blue when it doesn't exist?

technically the sky isn't blue. it's an effect on the spectrum of light emitted by the sun

I know how to make it shut up, but then I enter this sort of trance. It's good for getting shit done in short bursts, but extended use makes me feel very uncomfortable, like I'm drunk or something.
Well, I always wondered, when someone would do something retarded, wasn't there a voice in their head that would say "but wait that's fucking retarded let's not do that"? Apparently not

It's not just drawing. Any creative endeavor requires the ability to first create it in your mind, then manifest it physically. This is true in music, drawing, even applies to racing (visualizing line), etc.
It's the mark of a human being to be able to synthesize creative thought. If you can't do this... well... you may not have a soul. NPC.

What do you think the concept of colour is?

I think everyone has the capacity to visualize and hear things in their head and interact with them, but if it's something deeply rooted in the development of their behavior patterns while growing up.

For some reason, most people went through a life where the patterns they developed didn't involve any of these things. I understand how it feels like to think without speaking/seeing it, doing this has its pros in some situations. But not actually having the capacity to speak or see things in your mind actively, actually baffles me.

How can you write a text or solve a complex mathematical problem without speaking with yourself inside your mind? Maybe this is why most people were horrble in maths during school?

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If an NPC falls in the woods, and there's no PC around, does the audio file still play?

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