Freedom vs Order

>-Greece is Our Nation,we will protect it and preserve it. The Greeks are our population and they will always be the priority,this is the foundation and core of our society.
Sure, that's what I'm saying.
>Once that's established you form a government made through meritocracy and autocracy. Only the most qualified and achieved can enter the political arena,every law is done through scientific lenses and a extremely rational unbiased analysis.
Pretty much like an actual Democracy; back in the old days. Not this perversion.
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Yup, all those seem logical to me. Inform the people and have them choose the right way; do not fuck them over with it.
>You have this with drugs,crime,security and all common laws, democracy is essentially a popularity contest where the dumbest and most populist thrive over the masses and achieve power due to their own weakness and vulnerability.
Modern Democracy, yes. In its original form it's pretty close to what you described.
It's fanart for an AC game; I didn't make it.
Hm, mind expanding on your POV there? I'm interested.

In my humble opinion, that is usually because the scientists of today are far too binary-minded and specialized. Instead of being knowledgable about many areas, and being able to make rational decisions, they latch onto their niche corner of the scientific world, and define themselves by it. I see it every day in my Physics classes.

>Hm, mind expanding on your POV there? I'm interested.
Mythologically speaking, order doesn't exactly mean more/stricter laws. Someone who rules improperly is associated with chaos, regardless of how it is that their rule is improper.

>freedom and order do not go hand in hand

Ah, I see where you're taking it. Concentrating power into one person leads them to selfishness or abuse,which eventually destroys the very thing they sought to accomplish.
The average NPC can't really grasp that though. See all the Antifas thinking they fight for "freedom", while being bootlickers to the nth degree.

Good integrity, user. Keep on keeping on.

I try. But I think that you can't, and shouldn't, be good to all. Moral and honest. To be a hero to some, you have to be a villain to others. It's why I stopped feeling guilty for hating Kaffirs. Love and hate go hand in hand. So if you care enough for something, you should be ready to sacrifice certain pieces of yourself.

so you agree freedom and order go hand in hand?

When properly executed, I think it's possible, yes. In their truest, moral forms.

Preaching to the choir. Just take care not to become that which you fight against.

It's not even specifically autocracy. The problem with autocracy is that is leaves too great a potential for tyrants.

I'd respnd,but fucking Hiroshimoot won't let me.

I'll never be a Kaffir, no matter what, so...But I'm prepared to take the burden and do things the Right way. Not just LARPing as a Nazi on the net; genuinely put in the work. And the more I talk with people, the more I realize they hate them too.

Tradition provides a good sense of order while letting people be free from the government in my honest opinion. That's the perfect balance for me.

When you make laws based of "rationality" you start from a perspective outside of the communal traditions that create a nation, and you sow the seeds for the destruction of the nation that way. Reason is good in forming law, but reason is ultimately derived from a particular tradition and way of thinking that comes from the spirit of a nation and its people. To try and start from anywhere outside that dooms you to failure.

Breaking all the taboos does subvert society though. You honestly can't be surprised that when you destroy common traditions (that which links people together and creates fraternity) people no longer feel bound to society or the nation and engage in hedonistic radical individualism. Those taboos and traditions make nations and cultures. They can definitely change over time, but only according to their own internal logic, not by any external force. Society is organic: it's more beneficial to let it grow naturally than to change it drastically by pumping it full of God knows what.

Be mindful, user. The beasts of the field are guided by that which cracks the whip -- the talmudists. The rot is in the foundation.

>It's fanart for an AC game; I didn't make it
Of course not, you just used it without the artist's permission.

You fucktards do realize that if the Assassins were real, the nazis would have been their mortal enemy? The only "assassin nazis" would have been double agents taking down the reich.

>you just used it without the artist's permission
wew lad gb2 devart

The problem today though is that the total amount of knowledge needed to govern society is too great for any few people to know. That's why we rely on prior traditional and prudence with regards to change in order to have knowledge distributed widely enough for society to function - sort of like the free market. Interestingly enough, Hayek defended both the market and tradition along the same line of logic.

I know, but it doesn't mean I'm sympathetic to the Beasts. They need to be put down to. I don't want to elevate or save them; simply put them down. I don't have the same problem with anyone else, really.
>Of course not, you just used it without the artist's permission.
...It's the fucking internet. Might as well go take down all the WEBMs from videos that families put on the net. It's anonymously posting shit.
>You fucktards do realize that if the Assassins were real, the nazis would have been their mortal enemy? The only "assassin nazis" would have been double agents taking down the reich.
Of course user. Why, do you think I have any love for the Nazis themselves? I mean, I don't hate them per se or paint them as complete monsters, and I get where they came from, but for me and me, objectively, they were a bad thing.

Still, it was the only thing I had at hand. Templars v Assassins and all. As for the Assassins themselves, it's what got me to post this thread. In their extreme version they're Anarchists, but in their moderate versions, the most big name protagonists aligned with, they have similarities with the stuff posted here. Same with moderate Templars being the same, but extremes being literal Globalist Jews.
There is that problem, sure. The problem is that the masses still havent't been elevated, and the people in charge really don't care. True and relatively objective education is honestly the solution.

You should look into the root african languages where most of them come from. Every person filters new learned languages back into their original language in their heads to process it, but what happens when the root language doesn't have any words for abstract concepts such as promise, integrity, honor, or even tomorrow? Predictably, communication fails, and it's even worse when because of pride and ego, they won't even admit when they don't understand something. I think if you delve into this you will have an epiphany. Cheers m8.

Ah yeah, I remember that. I stumbled uponit on Jow Forums a few years back. But honestly, I just cannot see Kaffirs as humans; on a biological level, even. It goes beyond simple culture for me; it's in their rotten genes.

Society isn't a victim, you don't have to embrace degeneracy or be apart of it in any way. You live your life, I live mine. Freedom is the only way.

But don't you have a duty to correct the course?

Freedom forces personal responsibility. (White) People generally seek to keep order. The only way this gets disrupted is by removing their choice and putting it in the hands of despots. Remove the power from the despots and give it to the individual, and this resolves itself in an orderly fashion.

What is ISIS/Libyan Jihadist, what is Liberal Elite?

Like it or not whites cause a lot of degeneracy and Dictators are needed in parts of the world and our populations have gotten too big for Freedom to be Rule of the land, one dumbass doing as he sees fit is enough to unleash untold sickness and suffering upon millions.

yes. do not listen to that cuckold

in regards to freedom, I think current Western morality does not realize the impact personal decisions have on the family and community. No choice is made in a vacuum, freedom does not mean you can just do whatever you want. A sexual degenerate hurts their family and society just as much as they hurt themselves with their actions.

demographics are way too fucked for me to care

i definitely don't want to live in a brown police state. that's even worse than just a regular brown state.

Freedom can't work in dense populations. If people are scattered enough, sure.
As long as we're packed in like sardines though, i'm picking a right leaning order (within reason) every time.
I'm also for extreme state sanctioned violence on criminals or depraved and subversive elements. The degrees to which and details of would take hour long discussion.

That however demands that disruptive elements like Kaffirs are eliminated.
Personally I tend to favor "freedom", because I think that by enforcing order on a degenerate, you're just allowing a traitor to live and breathe, and disrupt the homogeny from the inside. However, if the people are properly informed and make consciously the right choice, the few degenerates/threats, will be removed by the rest of the populace. And thus virtue will be chosen out of free will; thus being pure and true.

Some nudging is required, absolute freedom doesn't work, but you get the point.
Eh, depends on the crime and person. A few months back a kid killed his dad, because he was raping his little sister. Should he really be punished?

I've been thinking about this too - freedom and liberalism is likely the best solution for small, homogeneous societies. But for the modern era, both population and technology make it necessary to put order first.

What facilitates this degeneracy, user? What is the root of the problem that allows for personal responsibility to be absolved? Because that's all degeneracy is, people acting with no sense of responsibility.

Remove the welfare, family courts, and other perverse incentives that have been thrust upon us, and it becomes increasingly difficult to be degenerate.

>That however demands that disruptive elements like Kaffirs are eliminated.

Exactly the opposite, putting unaccountable power in the hands of few requires the elimination of all the enemies of mankind.

I hate Kaffirs user; that transcends any and all ideologies I have.

Even if you remove them you'll be right back where we started, these things weren't here before today. They come in cycles, excess and comfort breeds degeneracy and lack of responsibility.

Some form of Order must be kept or we'll keep repeating the same shit, the crisis we see today has been around often enough, it's that or a population culling and massive poverty to keep everyones head on a swivil, most people aren't responsible, if they were we wouldn't have all of what you listed and removing them only goes as far as strong men are around to set an example.

As Romney Said "People vote for Santa."

>kid killed dad
Hell no he shouldn't be punished. He should be given a gold star and enlisted

Well, that's my point. Under an extremely strict regimen functioning on written laws, he'll be treated as a criminal.

*I meant extremelly strict laws with no leaway.

Basically, both extremes are harmful.

You're operating under a false assumption - it's more like a parent and child than anything. When the child is young and doesn't know better, the parent must be strict. When they have proven themselves to be responsible, than rules can be relaxed. A moral people is prerequisite to a free people. The freedoms in America were not the cause of the population's eventual fall into degeneracy - Tocqueville notes in his book that early Americans held themselves to a higher standard than Europeans of the time did under their monarchies. A fascist government may be necessary to halt the decline of the West, but as we recover our culture from the brink and begin to raise a generation of right-minded citizens than rules can and should begin to relax. Unfortunately it is a bad trait of government that powers, once granted, are scarce removed except by overwhelming popular mandate, such as the Jackson or Trump elections. The only Pinochet election is a decent modern example of this working.

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Under such system provisions can easily be made for extreme circumstance.
It's the obvious go to, but Hitler allowed self defence for the Germans. Facism doesn't exclude self defense either.
I don't want to get into if they're right or left, it's example of authoritarian regimes making allowances.