Redpill me on paganism pol. Is this something American can integrate?

They can't get behind Euclidean geometry, any math really, is this easier?

It was an evolutionary strategy for sharing learned knowledge across generations. It’s irrelevant and anyone who pretends to be a pagan today is literally larping, being a contrarian faggot, or desperate to come off unique and individual before the normies who matter more to him than the whole fucking universe.

it would have you get close to nature and animals

Yes.

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nothing really to say since there is no continuity between the past pagans and pagans today.

Most of their beliefs are made up either on the spot or come from interpretations from Christians who cataloged or refuted old pagan writings.

You can watch Varg who thinks paganism is just metaphysical concepts and no one actually worshiped gods, which is clearly wrong

OP, probable bait aside, if this thread shows you anything, it's that even the notion of defining "paganism" becomes a matter of some contention, much less determining if it's reliable for "America".

Seek the truth yourself. That is the core value of any spiritual system.

simulationtheory is just rehashed creation, trying to get rid of everything divine and spiritual and lock us into the material conciousness.
Instead of God the divine creator you have some pleb outside the simulation, instead of the spiritual realm/heaven you get another layer of the material realm, occasionally you have instead of Satan lying to you and and tempting you Saturn casting the simulation onto you.

Simulation theory works to describe the worlds properties, but its implications are utter bullshit. Also why would reality not be like a simulation if simulations are meant to be like reality?

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You're 56% pagan and 100% faggot

There was a pagan group early in American.... the Puritans attacked them and the pagans who escaped race mixed with the injuns

>Every single religion is paganism including christianity since Jesus is a representation of Jupiter.
somewhat correct, most symbolism from God and Jesus refer to the sun though.

The christian cross on the other hand symbolizes the cube being broken open, freeing us from the material prison it symbolizes

In general a lot of christian symbolism goes back to the sun. In example the cross with the circle around, also called suncross likely comes from the zodiac cross upon which the sun "stands". The Halo or Nimbus you see on a lot of saints, and also other divine figures from other mythologies originally also was just a shining light from behind the person or persons head. In case of Jesus specifically the halo often has the suncross embedded in it too.

So while kikes and muslims have saturn as their symbol of God, christianity has the sun. So dont come me with the "God is Saturn" bullshit
In case of the "Star of David" it likely is Saturn trying to immitate God (with the 33 and the sun symbolism) to make Gods power his own

while we are at it, a lot of the symbols also seem to derive from sunworship as many symbols do. in case of the egypt one it seems to depict the sun touching the water or heaven being united with the earth while unification of polar opposites is an important theme in the occult. One believe was that magic springs into existence where 2 polar opposites meet. good and evil, the above and below, male and female. especially the unification of the last is one of the most holy events in many cultures where the magic of life happens and the first step for the existence of a new human has been made. i believe transgenderism is a perverted form of this, trying to unite male and female in one body/destroying duality

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>Zeus = Iesous (Hail Zeus)

Really dude?

People even claim that Jesus is just a metaphore for the sun. Son/sun of God, turns water into whine like the sun giving light and energy to the grapes which turn the water into whine, walking on water like the sun when rising or setting behind the ocean standing right on the surface (look at that pic of the egyptian ankh with the other sun symbolisms) making the blind see by giving light and in general being the source of life by giving heat and energy. The 12 apostles like the 12 zodiacs. Jesus being put on a cross, while the sun (astrologically) stands on a cross marking the 4 seasons. He is often depicted with a halo, which originally is just a shining light from behind the person (light like from the sun) also together with suncross in its halo giving further connections to the jesus/sun relationship. Rising from the dead on the 3rd day like the sun being at its lowest (dead) for 3 days during the winter solstice to then rise again

But there is again the small saying "as above, so below" This has many implications.

one is that what happens in the stars happens on the earth (astrology)
this furthermore means the small things are the same as the big and made of the same (fractal universe) Like electrons orbit the nucleus the planets orbit the the sun which orbits the center of the galaxy etc
youtube.com/watch?v=ycvlJ9XMd94
Your mind (above) influences the material world (below) and vice versa.
What happens in the heavens happens on the earth to and vice versa.
And of course as the Sun of God above, so does the Son of God below

also pic related relating back to of everything being conciousness of God and making all the charges in this world possibly kind of neural impulses.

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Let it be known, that Venus is not the only morning star in our galaxy. Not many people are aware of the fact that the planet

Jupiter (Latin: Iuppiter, Iūpiter) is also called the morning star, and it is this morning star that is spoken of in the bible. Hence, Venus is NOT the true morning star of mythology, and when the bible says that there fell a great star from heaven, they are simply referring to Jupiter who is also known as Jove, the supreme ruler God on high, to whom the ancient Greeks had called Φαέθων, Phaethon, “blazing.”
Jupiter is the largest planet in the solar system. It is called the son of the Sun, and has been known since the most ancient of times to astrologers. It is on average the third-brightest object in the night sky after the Moon and Venus. It is the fifth planet from the Sun and the largest planet in the Solar System. It is visible to the naked eye in the night sky, and can occasionally be seen in the daytime when the sun is low.

Ancient astrologers have always associated Jupiter with the birth of kings and Venus with fertility. This is why Jupiter is called in ancient mythology, the King planet, Father of the Sky, Father of the Gods, and Lord of Heaven. This fact is paramount in understanding that the planet Jupiter, for thousands of years, has always been associated with the birth of kings, and it is the star in the bible of the Magi and Star of Bethlehem.
In Sumerian texts, Jupiter is called mulu babber – “bright sun-like star” and is also called Nibiru (Neberu) which simply means “ferry boat or to cross.” The child-bearing Jupiter was a common subject of the artists of that Hittite people, the Etruscans.

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JUPITER IS THE MORNING STAR – AKA JESUS AND LUCIFER

Jupiter is not only the King planet and Lord of Heaven in the AS ABOVE, it is also the morning star, blazing star, and the Star of Bethlehem of the bible. The brightness of this morning star can be best seen in December and January, right around when we celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ, who in the King James bible, both Jesus and Lucifer are called the morning star. For example, we see Jesus call himself the “bright morning star” in Revelation 22:16 “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star,” and it is also applied to Lucifer, where we see the term appears in the context of an oracle against a dead king of Babylon, who is addressed as הילל בן שחר (hêlêl ben šāḥar), rendered by the King James Version as “O Lucifer, son of the morning!” and by others as “morning star, son of the dawn“.

JUPITER IS THE EGYPTIAN GOD OSIRIS AND BABYLONIAN GOD MARDUK

You will also find that Jupiter is also symbolized in Egyptian mythology as Osiris who is the God of water and heaven, and also after the Roman conquest of Egypt by Augustus Caesar where Osiris had morphed into the God Jupiter Ammon. Osiris is the later Egyptian successor to the Bablylonian God Marduk (Merodach, Amar-uduk, and Marudulc) whose original character is also connected with water, vegetation, judgment, and magic. As I stated in my previous article, What is Nibiru?, Marduk is just a code name for the planet Jupiter and is also called Nibiru (Neberu) by the Sumerians, which simply means “ferry boat or to cross.” In Babylono-Assyrians, the star of Babylon is detailed in inscriptions as the star of Marduk, or Jupiter. As the planet Jupiter does every year, it “crosses” the winter solstice in a ferry boat like manner, in which the Gods of Osiris and Marduk had died, only to be resurrected, representing continuity and stability.

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The Greeks had named their greatest of all Gods, Zeus, which also represents the AS ABOVE of the planet Jupiter. The son of Zeus, (Jupiter), Prometheus is the SO BELOW savior son. In Greek mythology, ‘Prometheus (Ancient Greek, Προμηθεύς, “forethought”) is the Titan chiefly honored for stealing fire (knowledge) from the gods in the stalk of a fennel plant and giving it to mortals for their use. Also, it was from the giant fennel, Ferula communis, that the Bacchanalian wands of the god Dionysus and his followers were said to have come.

In Ovid’s Metamorphoses, Jupiter told Prometheus to make a new race of people “in godlike image” from clay and then call upon the winds to breathe life into them. The Father of man-kind in the Sky, Zeus (Jupiter) had denied this new creation race of men the secret of fire, and his son Prometheus feeling sorry for his creations, stole fire from Olympus and took it to man.

Like what had happened to Jesus Christ, Prometheus was crucified for teaching man the secret hidden knowledge known only to the Gods. He was crucified by his father, Jupiter (Zeus) who nailed him to an upright beam of timber, to which were affixed extended arms of wood, and this cross was situated near the Caspian Straits. In the end days, Prometheus seeks the recall the curse of his Father Zeus because he is a symbol (Seal of Solomon or Star of David) for passive resistance, forgiveness, and love.

Today in the occult and in secret societies such as Freemasonry, Prometheus would be akin to Lucifer or the son of Cain, Tubal Cain. meaning we can find in the Hebrew spelling of Adon (plural- Adonai) meaning “Lord, Lord, LORD, master, or owner, and this is why in masonic lodges there is always a Grand Adonai; AKA Grand Master presiding over lodge activities. Hence, this is why there can be found a blazing star in every masonic lodge for it represents the Lord of Heaven and King of the Gods.

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the only link i could find between Jesus and Jupiter is the september prophecy The prophecy states a child is born and is continued to be described like Jesus is usually (will rule the world with a rod of iron). What happened was virgo, the virgin, birthed Jupiter in the manner the prophecy told (moon at the feet of virgo clothed with the sun aka the sun was behind virgo and crowned by 12 stars) and Jesus is all about rejection of the flesh, of the material and embracing the spirit which gives somewhat a connection to the lightning as its the very force creating the conciousness in your brain (neural impulses animating your whole body even )
Compared to other stories it seems that Archangel Michael fits the role of Jupiter more accurately.
Jupiter is also known like Zeus, throwing his lightning bolts or thor with his thunder also being lightning to some extent
Zeus, as i see it, is either what God is in the bible or Michael which would fit since Michael is the one who threw Satan (saturn) down to earth as Zeus defeated Cronus.
The way Satan falls here is
>18So He said to them, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.
So Zeus (Jupiter) defeated Cronus (Saturn)
Thor (Jupiter) locked away Loki (While fairly antagonistic I couldnt identify him as a planet)
Michael threw Satan (Saturn) down to earth with lightning.
In all occasions its Jupiter is BTFOing Saturn (or in the nordic one at least an antagonist) with lightning
In general I believe Jupiter is representative of Gods right hand man. Wether its in form of Michael or God himself appearing in the flesh like Jesus

You're a JIDF bot. Soon you'll be shut down because the Iranians are gonna bomb the FUCK Out of Israel.

Was the fucking autism up there necessary?

REDPILL:
Modern Pagans have no idea what these symbols mean or how to interpret them.
The circle and snake in his hands, and even using horns for the headress can be traced to Mediterranean depictions of the same.
Question you have to ask yourself is if you believe this was purely for form or was their also a function.

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Yes. Of course. The redpills must flow. The redpill expands consciousness. The redpill extends life.

Pantheistic monism, in its various and sundry forms, has persisted since Satan tempted Eve.

>You can be as gods.

It's still a lie.
To be safe for all eternity:
A: Admit that you are a sinner, who violates the Will of God, and that you need a Saviour.
B: Believe that Jesus Christ, Son of God & Messiah, died for you sins and rose again, as prophesied and recorded in the Word of God.
C: Call on His name, ask Him to save you, and confess that He is Lord.

Some resources that may help:
TTB.org has a verse by verse Bible Study for download or daily listening.
Chuck Missler’s Learn the Bible in 24 Hours (youtu.be/PZ3hESj__M8)
Robert Breaker’s Bible Study and Topical Sermons (youtu.be/H124iZiyGUs)

The End is nigh. Tomorrow may be too late.

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>by the way

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No one is going to read that and even if they did, they should not accept it. Enlightenment comes from effort, pursuit and realization. Not from autismo text walls.

Why do schizo symbolfags post paragraphs upon paragraphs that no one ever reads thinking they found something out?

If you can't actually articulate something and just point to symbolism, no matter how much is may be true, you fail.

Your use of Baphomet is not an ancient one. You should probably not spread it as historic to ancient depictions.

A big red pill is to understand a large amount of the stuff we know as paganism was made up in the 1800s during a romanticism revival by weird proto-feminist types in Europe and the US.

One of best places to start is the ancient winnowing circles... usually on tops of hills... so many ideas and sayings were birthed in winnowing circles..

It's Marxism.
>Pick your creed
>Pick your morality
>Pick your god
>There's thousands of them anyways and are all equal it truth

Even the hundred of denominations Christianity have similar cores. This is just Atheists who don't want to identify as Atheists.

Why are you talking to yourself?

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>no argument
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there is the rumor that Jesus actually was meant to mean haiil Zeus to mock the religion, however considdering Jesus actual name Yeshuah, there can be made a connection to YHWH. Ancient hebrew, as many other scripts, didnt have vowels and they were just spoken.
So YHWH was pronounced YahWeh. However if you switch the vowels YehWah with the proper pronounciation it becomes Yehwuah>Yeshuah giving there maybe some connection.

correct, except not Lucifer. Lucifer is only Venus as morningstar and no other planet or morningstar is Lucifer. It is to note that Jesus didnt call himself Lucifer but morningstar which as you said is probably is jupiter.

cant say anything on the jupiter=marduk=osiris thing though.

prometheus is more fitting of Lucifer, Satan before the fall, as the serpent that brought the fruit of knowledge and was punished for it. Quatzacoatl also fits that role while also being venus. And stuff all across the world seems to speak of the event of Lucifer/Venus coming to earth and bringing knowledge

Pic related. My theory it depicts knowledge, as those people are the keeper of knowledge, or bringer of that.
The mayan/aztec one seems to depicts quetzacoatl I assume which is said to have brought that for the aztecs.

Göbekli tepe apparently talks about a comet bringing civilization.
telegraph.co.uk/science/2017/04/21/ancient-stone-carvings-confirm-comet-struck-earth-10950bc-wiping/
fitting the alignment of angkor wat and the pyramids of 12,5k years ago, as well as the comet that struck earth 12,9k years ago

In case of the sumerian i suppose it is enki
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enki
>Enki (/ˈɛŋki/; Sumerian: dEN.KI(G)𒂗𒆠) is the ancient Sumerian god of water, knowledge (gestú, literally "ear"), mischief, crafts (gašam), and creation (Nudimmud: nu, likeness, dim mud, make beer)

Same role Quetzacoatl took, bringing knowledge, or Satan with the apple. Prometheus who brought the fire very well could be the same enthity, Lucifer. The Kabba in Mecca supposedly contains a meteorite, which might be the one Göbekli Tepe speaks of or Satan that was thrown to earth
but i assume there is more to it

Now the FALLEN angels are said to have brought the knowledge for witchcraft and warcraft. Ironsmithing is one of these skills used for warcraft. Turns out the ancient egyptians used iron used from meteorites aka FALLEN rocks in example for this dagger
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tutankhamun's_meteoric_iron_dagger_blade

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>Like what had happened to Jesus Christ, Prometheus was crucified for teaching man the secret hidden knowledge known only to the Gods. He was crucified by his father, Jupiter (Zeus) who nailed him to an upright beam of timber, to which were affixed extended arms of wood, and this cross was situated near the Caspian Straits.
thats completely misrepresenting the story of Jesus. He wasnt punished by God because he did anything wrong, in fact he did everything perfectly. Thats why he was able to die for our sins.
>23For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
usually we would have to pay for our sins with our own life/blood, but due to christ he took all the blame of his creation upon himself and freed us from the debt we created if we just accept his sacrifice. God sacrificed himself for his children. basically "Parents are liable for their children."
thats what the story is about, not God punishing Jesus.

>Prometheus seeks the recall the curse of his Father Zeus because he is a symbol (Seal of Solomon or Star of David) for passive resistance, forgiveness, and love.
the seal of solomon is a symbol of blackmagic and of saturn, not of God.

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>winnowing circles
I wonder if you know the implication of ancient winnowing and its indirect relationship. Or do you only know the mysticism interpretation that came later.

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thats the issue if you have no absolute God that is the source of all, everything else becomes subjective and objectivism is lost.
If there is no highest authority that says what is good and what is not all of it just becomes subjective and a personal oppinion. It would all depend on your own view and ultimately means everything goes as there is no objective good and evil and thus no evil at all. What exactly makes raping a child and sacrificing it to moloch wrong? You not liking it? Well, sucks to be you.
If however there is a highest authority declaring it to be evil and bad, than it automatically becomes bad and evil, objectively as it becomes a rule of nature, a natural law. Now you may argue "But I feel it is wrong, just like about 99% of the world do too", well, maybe that comes from God declaring it wrong and you, as the divine creature you are, know it subconciously
>14Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the Law, do by nature what the Law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the Law, 15since they show that the work of the Law is written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts either accusing or defending them.

My answer would be "yes". Most pagans or enthusiasts do not believe in literal deities or rituals. It's a vehicle to gain an understanding with mythology, language, history, and philosophy. Much like there are "cultural Christians", pagans merely expand this idea regional beliefs or ideas. Most Western people already subconsciously know many ideas from European and Middle Eastern folklore and tales, they just don't fully realize it.

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"paganism" a massively diverse category which includes a wide variety of philosophies and practices; most of which are shit.

Which ones specifically are shit?

Everything that's not Neo-Platonism, Stoicism, Zoroastrian, Sikhism and maybe the Traditionalist School + some schools of Hinduism-but I'm not familiar with Hinduism senpai.

But really these are only good insofar as they have commonalities with the Catholic faith; it's just everything beyond these is utter garbage desu.

For anyone interested, in here is all i have on ancient history. It goes on to try to fit the different stories of the mythologies around the world together and show that they are based on real events.

im a retard and forgot the link but i can leave a last bump before sleeping so, so yeah...

>paganism pol

Oh my bad i thought you said pepperoni roll

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Keep on sucking that kosher religious shlong there pal. Islam will sweep you and all like you into another Semitic nightmare soon enough

Exactly, true spiritual pursuits are always individualistic then these individuals influence others as they grow spiritually and if enough pagans steer clear of the more overtly retarded aspects of the larping wicca types then yeah

Paganism is like the "We was Kangz" for huwhite people.

Paganism is just for stupid former atheists who took up religion but still want to hate Christianity.

It is over.

God-smod. What a pointless unproven concept. There is no way to know either way for the living; why not work with what we can know? And when you die... you will find out.

You spelled Shamanism wrong.
Whites existed on North America AKA Atlantis
a long time before Northern europe.
America is your fucking homeland you pleb fuck.. INB4 Solutrean/ Clovis/ YD/ Phoenicians.

Would you say that meditation is larping?

Most of Jow Forums have set up a false dichotomy for themselves, you're either an evangelistic christian good boy who shows up to church every sunday with your ironed out shirt or some dude who LARPs as a viking and worships a tree.

The issue of God is way more complex than that. There is a third option, but it requires study, practice, dedication and curiosity. Read a bunch of books on every religion, both mystic and conventional and make up your own mind. Have mystical unions with God on your own. The Übermensch option.

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European religion pre-Christianity was fucking amazing. Aryan lore, though varying, had a fuckton of consistencies that existed from Ireland, to the Norsemen, to the Germanic tribes, to Rome and Greece and the Levant and all the way to Iran.

The Greek Pagans we have to thank for the great astronomers of the renaissance. They were the first Atomists, they had the ideas of a proto-Big Bang theory(Monad) and a Universe expanding with void(apeiron). They also had entire models for a heliocentric galaxy with planets revolving around it. If you look up Renaissance astronomers and any painting they're in, notice the Antiquity era developed instruments they used. All of them will cite Pythagoras as their greatest inspiration, like Sir Isaac Newton did in crediting him for the discovery of Universal Gravitation.

The pagans are fantastic, we'd have been better off without Christianity tbqhwyrnmf.

A Rod and Ring are our first tools for measurement and geometry.
>ancient people used baskets
>must be aliens
LOL

fpbp

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>they have commonalities with the Catholic faith;
Because Catholics got big time cucked when the Medicis started printing Neoplatonist literature and making it widely available for the first time since Christianity came along to erase Western history and tradition.

America integrates it all the time, especially on Christmas and Halloween.

> looks to Greek pantheons for Zeus when Celtics had a dude name ESUS

It really isn't, though, since it's not as if paganism didn't have a creator god. One would think you'd know that considering Zoroastrianism is one of the most widely known about and oldest religions.

I would like to know more

He's full of fucking shit.
First off, obviously, you can't have Christianity without Christ. Secondly, even Christ's Jewish faith wasn't original. It was an offshoot of the exact same religious ideas of Babylonians, Assyrians, Egyptians, Greeks, Phoenicians, etc etc etc. The problem with the Judeans is that they wrote it in a way that makes it seem as if they created all the things they plagiarized and brainwashed the world into believing it.

Christianity is, as I'd said previously, a way of making people hate their own ethnic culture and heritage and giving all credit for everything to some mountain tribe goatfucking proto-Jews.
>Well-attested myths of the Proto-Indo-Europeans include a myth involving a storm god who slays a multi-headed serpent that dwells in water and a creation story involving two brothers, one of whom sacrifices the other to create the world. The Proto-Indo-Europeans may have believed that the Otherworld was guarded by a watchdog and could only be reached by crossing a river. They also may have believed in a world tree, bearing fruit of immortality, either guarded by or gnawed on by a serpent or dragon, and tended by three goddesses who spun the thread of life.
Sound familiar? Thats the sound of some Jews stealing your birthright and shitting on it.

americans are already pagans

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Zeus was common across all European people before we all sold our heritage for something a bit more kosher like the belief we are all descended from the Jews greatest hero.
In Greek mythology Zeus[1] ([zdeǔ̯s])
In Roman mythology Jupiter (from *Iou-pater or *Ious-pater)[2]
In Historical Vedic religion Dyauṣ Pitār[3]
Dionysus, especially with the Thracians and Sabines
Possibly Dis Pater (although he is more connected with the Greco-Roman Pluto theologically)
Rooted in the related but distinct Indo-European word *deiwos is the Latin word for deity, deus. The Latin word is also continued in English divine, "deity", and the original Germanic word remains visible in "Tuesday" ("Day of Tīwaz") and Old Norse tívar, which may be continued in the toponym Tiveden ("Wood of the Gods", or of Týr).

The Roman god Jupiter is a form of Dyeus.

Norse god Týr
The following names derive from the related *deiwos:

Germanic Tīwaz (known as Týr in Old Norse)
Latin Deus (originally used to address Jupiter, but later adopted as the name of God)
Indo-Aryan deva: Vedic/Puranic deva, Buddhist deva
Armenian: Դիւցազն (dyutsazn) (epic hero, demigod), դիւց (dits), դիք (diq) (Gods), դեւ (dev) (spirit, monster)
Iranic daeva, daiva, diw, etc.
Baltic Dievas, deivė (goddess)
Celtic e.g. Gaulish Dēuos, Gaelic dia, Welsh duw
Slavic div (genitive divese; "miracle")
Irish Dagda, from *Dago-deiwos meaning "the good god" or "Shining God"
Possibly the Lusitanian Reve.[4]