BREAKING: Khashoggi Was Going To Expose Saudi Arabia

Khashoggi was going to expose the United States and Saudi Arabia for chemical attack on Yemen.

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>British Sunday Express weekly reported that a close friend of Khashoggi, speaking on condition of anonymity, had told it on Saturday night that he was about to obtain “documentary evidence” from his murdered friend proving claims that Riyadh had used banned chemical weapons in its brutal aggression against Yemen.

>“I met him a week before his death. He was unhappy and he was worried,” the Middle Eastern academic told the British weekly, adding that he asked Khashoggi why he was unhappy and worried.

“He didn't really want to reply, but eventually he told me he was getting proof that Saudi Arabia had used chemical weapons. He said he hoped he be getting documentary evidence,” Khashoggi’s fried further revealed, adding, “All I can tell you is that the next thing I heard, he was missing.”

Khashoggi’s friend did not tell the Sunday Express whether the white phosphorus was one of the chemicals Saudis used against Yemenis, but the weekly speculated that it was “more likely” that the murdered journo was referring to phosphorous.

Last month, it was claimed that Saudi Arabia had been using white phosphorous munitions supplied by the US against soldiers and even civilians in Yemen, the weekly added.

“If Khashoggi did, in fact, have proof that Saudi Arabia was deliberately misusing phosphorous for this purpose, it would be highly embarrassing for the regime and provides the nearest motive yet as to why Riyadh may have acted when they did against him,” the Sunday Express quoted chemical warfare expert, Col. Hamish de Bretton-Gordon, as saying.

Lmao even Houthis haven't made such an accusation. Though there was a nuke accusation, which is even more ridiculous.

Doesn't matter if he had evidence of them using chemical weapons why would they not let him present it?

Leading a coalition of its allies, including the United Arab Emirates, Morocco, and Sudan, Saudi Arabia invaded Yemen in March 2015 in an attempt to reinstall a former Riyadh-friendly regime, which had resigned amid popular discontent, and to crush the country’s popular Houthi Ansarullah movement, which has played a significant role, alongside the Yemeni army, in defending the nation and has been running state affairs in the absence of an effective government.

The aggression initially consisted of a bombing campaign, but was later coupled with a naval blockade and the deployment of ground forces to Yemen. More than 15,000 Yemenis have so far been killed and thousands more wounded.

The Saudi-led war has also taken a heavy toll on the country’s infrastructure, destroying hospitals, schools, and factories. The UN has already said that a record 22.2 million Yemenis are in dire need of food, including 8.4 million threatened by severe hunger. According to the world body, Yemen is suffering from the most severe famine in more than 100 years.

Where are the bumps this is real news

>If
He doesn't have any connection to Yemen.
Also you're desperate to shill. There are three threads of yours currently active in Jow Forums.

Show me the threads then, you spook

Exactly,

“He didn't really want to reply, but eventually he told me he was getting proof that Saudi Arabia had used chemical weapons. He said he hoped he be getting documentary evidence,” Khashoggi’s fried further revealed, adding, “All I can tell you is that the next thing I heard, he was missing.”

bamp

Thanks user

While there have been recent unsubstantiated claims in Iran that Saudi Arabia has been supplying ingredients that can be used to produce the nerve agent Sarin in Yemen, it is more likely that Mr Khashoggi was referring to phospherous..

Last month it was claimed that Saudi Arabia had been using US-supplied white phosphorous munitions against troops and even civilians in Yemen,

Though regulations state the chemical may be used to provide smokescreens, if used illegally it can it burn to the bone.

Chemical warfare expert Col Hamish de Bretton-Gordon said: “We have already seen in Syria that nothing is as effective as chemical, weapons in clearing urban areas of troops and civilians - Assad has used phosphorous for this very reason.

“If Khashoggi did, in fact, have proof that Saudi Arabia was deliberately misusing phosphorous for this purpose, it would be highly embarrassing for the regime and provides the nearest motive yet as to why Riyadh may have acted when they did against him.”

They're too busy sliding the good threads with porn and dumb shit.

bumping

Yea I don't see why mods allow that shit

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If true, then can't these chemicals be tested for?
Don't let this thread slide.

no one cares about yemen because cnn didn't tell their brain-dead viewers to care about yemen. the war over in yemen has been going on for a while now and no one cares.

Khashoggi your so fine you’re so fine you blow my mind Khashoggi Khashoggi.
Khashoggi your so fine you’re so fine you blow my mind Khashoggi Khashoggi.
Khashoggi your so fine you’re so fine you’re so fine you blow my mind Khashoggi Khashoggi
Hey Khashoggi
You been around all night but that’s a little long
You think you’ve got the right but I think you’ve got the wrong
Why don’t you say goodnight so you can take me home, Khashoggi
‘Cause when you say you will, it always means you won’t
You’re givin’ me the chills,baby, please baby don’t
Every night you still leave me alone, Khashoggi
Oh Khashoggi what a pity you don’t understand you take me by the heart when you take me by the hand...
(Now this will be in your head every time you hear or read Khashoggi. Yes, I’m ebil).
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>white phosphorus

who cares.

Yea but who is going to test them? Iran? Russia?
This the whole point of the Yemen war and you'd have to be insane to think the kikes are going to let anyone get in there way to world domination.

In prep for war with Iran, Saudi & US must FIRST secure alternative shipping route for OIL (pic related)

As Yemen removed their US puppet, and is now allied with Iran, this is why Saudi & (((US))) are bombing the crap out of the poorest country in the middle east.

Saudi are even targeting FOOD PRODUCTION.

Total scum

> rt.com/news/441153-yemen-food-saudi-coalition/

Ultimately its ALL for the Kikes, to start the Iran War.

And oh look...
Saudi Arabia is building an oil port in Yemen

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It's white phos that's alleged. Not a nerve agent. Easy to detect visually if given access to bodies that that have been bombed with such weapons. OP has not provided a source that verifies that claim but the Yemen situation needs more visibility regardless. Khashoggi was a glowing terrorist scumbag with a cover as occasional journalist, so fuck his rotting corpse, but bump for Yemen.

If Trump was any good he would shut down our arm's trade with Saudi Arabia and condemn them but he hasn't done shit

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Because the source got killed

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This was just 2 months ago, 12 children killed on school bus, by Saudi bomb.

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Why hasn't the president done anything to stop this?

>Because the source got killed
Good. He was a glowing scumbag terrorist. But we need more eyes and scrutiny on the Yemen situation, so, bump.

Any evidence he was a terrorist

literally who cares, phosphorous is not a fucking chemical weapon any more than a copper and lead bullet. phosphorous has such limited range and scope it is no way a WMD, literally nobody cares and this would not have been embarrassing at all.

i think the real reason has already come out, the prince was tired of this guy undermining his royal authority with hit piece journalism. saudi royals are cocky and used to having absolute power, teh little fuck prince didnt think things through in regards to international consequences when he ordered the hit

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It is if they used it on civilians

fine with me. iran is shit and ruled by pieces of shit. some of theire population is reasonable and cool. about 40% is psycho muslim extremists that need to burn

how is that worse than them just using regular artillery on civilians?

would the international community be less outraged if they just bombed civlians with conventional weapons? i dont know im just not impressed by these claims.

if this dude had said "kashoggi told me they used nerve gas" then i would agree that the motive to keep that secret makes some sense for the motivation of his murder. but come on, everybody uses white phosphorous im not buying that was the reason to keep him silent

Of course your a zionist

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Yes. Hold my beer, this will take a few posts.

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This is a summary of Patrick Poole’s research on Khashoggi, Saffuri, and the international intrigue of the disappearance/murder of Jamal Khashoggi, the alleged Washington Post journalist.

Think of this fight as the Hatfield’s and McCoy’s of the Middle East as well as competing factions of Clintons and Trumps in DC. We seem to have a multi-generational struggle between the radical Islam Saudis and the good Saudis, represented by young Prince Mohammed Bin Salman-MBS, who are trying to open up the country and quash terrorism. In this story, Turkey plays a supporting role and the UK, Iran, Qatar, have bit parts.

We’ve learned that most of the allegations of murder/disappearance of Khashoggi accusing Saudi Arabia are coming from a man named Khaled Saffuri, who approached the Washington Post and David Isikoff with the story. The wild allegations blew up from there. As the story goes, Jamal Khashoggi entered the Saudi Embassy in Turkey and was never seen again. The Turks claim Khashoggi was murdered and dismembered in the Embassy, they claim a 15 member Saudi hit squad was responsible, they claim they have recordings of his murder from his Apple watch, but no one has yet produced any evidence.

Yes, Jamal Khashoggi is an employee of the Washington Post.

You will remember David Isikoff, reporter for Yahoo, as the guy who was the launderer for Christopher Steele’s dirty Russia Dossier. Isikoff’s Yahoo article (from information leaked by Steele) was used as one of the confirmation sources in the FISA Warrant against Team Trump. Isikoff has also written a book about the Russian probe. His involvement on the left has elevated his status among MSM media.

shits not even that effective

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its really hard to aim and hit people with it, it has a limited spread and range of effect. i just dont see why they would risk getting caught doing a giant assassination effort over something that literally most militaries in teh world use

Who is Jamal Khashoggi?

He comes from a wealthy Saudi family. His grandfather was personal physician to King Saud. He is the nephew of Adnan Khashoggi, a multi-billionaire, the world’s greatest illegal arms dealer, who was involved in Iran Contra. He is also the cousin of Dodi Fayed, who was dating Princess Diana when they were both killed in a car crash in Paris.

Personally, Jamal Khashoggi is a writer, pundit of the Middle East, and no fan of Mohammed Bin Salman (MBS), the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia, who wants to modernize Saudi Arabia. MBS recently came to power in Saudi, and many factions sought to wrestle control of the country. Who can forget the Saudi purge of enemies, when they were all imprisoned at the Ritz Carlton?

Who is Khaled Saffuri and why is Saffuri trying to steer the culpability to the Saudi’s, specifically, the young Prince Mohammed Bin Salman (MBS) for the disappearance of Jamal Khashoggi?

Why is the MSM claiming the ‘murder’ of Khashoggi was ordered by MBS?

Grab a cup of coffee and sit back.

Khaled Saffuri has been a major player in Mid-East politics for 30 years. Saffuri was deputy to Abdurahman Alamoudi on an off, for 20 years, connected to multiple terrorists, and always seems to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. * Alamoudi started the American Muslim Council (AMC).
* Alamoudi accepted $1,000,000 from Gaddafi of Libya to recruit dissident Saudis, disgruntled Islam members in London, to assassinate Crown Prince Abdullah (who later became king) of Saudi Arabia on US soil. Alamoudi was sentenced to 23yrs in US Federal Prison. (article linked below).
* Alamoudi was a fundraiser for Al-Qaeda (WaPost).
* Alamoudi was a registered lobbyist to the Bush Administration on behalf of Gaddafi of Libya (copy of form enclosed).
* Alamoudi also developed the Muslim Chaplain program from the US Pentagon during the W Bush Administration (article linked below).
* Alamoudi funded and helped Saffuri START the Islamic Free Market Institute in the USA (checks enclosed in the thread at the bottom) in 1999.
* Saffuri also received money from the Qatari’s, arch enemy of the House of Saud (article linked).
* Alamoudi and Saffuri met with CANDIDATE George W. Bush and Karl Rove, in 2000 (pic included below).
* Alamoudi and Saffuri arranged the first IFTAR dinner in the White House at the behest of Saffuri’s best buddy — Hillary Clinton

Kenneth Timmerman did an extensive article on Saffuri’s ties to terrorism. (article reprinted below – highly recommended for background). If we read the article, we learn:
* Saffuri has contributed to both GOP and DEM candidates.
* Saffuri intervened and tried to steer Bill Clinton to be involved in Bosnia, through a PAC, which was run by Alamoudi, with Saffuri as Treasurer.
* Saffuri has taken many Congressmen on trips to the Middle East.
* Saffuri is also close to Sami al-Arian, who was arrested in 2003 for raising money for Palestinian terrorists who killed Americans.
* Saffuri and Alamoudi worked with al-Arian all throughout the 1990’s to stop the USA Immigration Naturalization Service from deporting Palestinian Jihad Members.
* Saffuri’s primary objective was to get W.Bush, then President, to agree NOT to use secret information, obtained by our intel, for use in deportation hearings — which was a position adopted by Bush in his final debate with Al Gore. After 9/11, Bush reversed his position.
* Saffuri is also close to Barzingi, an Iraqi, with a network of investment companies, financed by wealthy Saudis. Again, the ‘bad’ Saudis, intent on radical terror, which Mohammed Bin Salman, the new Crown Prince, has been fighting so hard.
* Back in the early 2000’s, the US Government had a task force to fight Barzingi and his network of companies. One by one, the US Treasury blacklisted each company for supporting Al-Qaeda. * Barzingi’s office was raided in March of 2002 and Alamoudi’s office was also raided at the same time, as part of the same investigation. * Alamoudi was an aide to Barzingi in the early 90’s, yet Saffuri knew Barzingi since 1988.
* George Bush, Sr. met with Barzingi and Alamoudi in 1990 and 1991….. and they advised Bush, Sr., on how to deal with Iraq.
* No kidding.

>Khashoggi was eating caviar paid for by the money his billionaire uncle made selling chemical weapons to Saudi Arabia.

sure whatever you say retard. only zionists want to see the dirty goatfucking ayatollah get fucked, amirite? you must be a muslim. filty iran loving mohammadian

Saffuri legally went to work with Alamoudi in 1993 when Saffuri was placed in charge of lobbying the Clintons to intervene in Bosnia on behalf of Muslims. Saffuri claims to distance himself from Alamoudi but the records prove differently and it is clear Alamoudi helped Saffuri start his new ‘Institute’ in 1999. Same people just a different name of Institute.
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When Osama Bin Laden was training Al Qaeda fighters alongside Bosnian Muslims in 1989, Saffuri was also in Bosnia, for 4-5 weeks at a time, as Treasurer, of the PAC (National Muslims for a Better America).
The PAC lobbied the Clinton White House on behalf of Bosnian Muslims. There were 40 donors to the PAC and half of them have either been arrested or are/were under investigation for terror ties.
Saffuri claims not to know anything about ‘terrorism’ and says Alamoudi wrote the checks, but Saffuri was the Treasurer.
The PAC ran from 1993-1998 but the arrests came mostly during the W. Bush Administration. Note that while the PAC ended in 1998, Saffuri’s “Institute” started in 1999, with funding from Alamoudi.

nice ann

Hey, this is interesting….., Saffuri claims his donors to the PAC were doing good work, according to Timmerman’s piece (enclosed). One donor was working with the Dept of Homeland Security, another was a USAid worker.

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Then, the bombshell,…..,

Saffuri says he is invited to sit and meet with FBI Director Mueller every 6 months !!!!

the old guard vs the new it seems

n the final paragraphs of Timmerman’s article on Saffuri’s ties to terrorism, where connections to another 6 other terrorists are included, a familiar name appears……., * Glen Simpson, who was then working for the WSJ, who now heads Fusion GPS, who created the dirty Russia Dossier, is referenced. * Glen Simpson asked Karl Rove if Saffuri was exerting too much influence on the W Bush White House. * Karl Rove replied, “No.”

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Why is it always the same people involved? Here, in one story, we have Isikoff of Yahoo, WaPost (with mysterious connections to Mueller, and Glen Simpson), being fed a story, by a nefarious Saffuri, to attack/accuse/frame the young Prince Mohammed Bin Salman (MBS), in the death/disappearance of Jamal Khashoggi, the alleged WaPost journalist. .
And are we surprised, suddenly, this story is at the forefront of every journalist in DC/NYC? Does this SOUND familiar to you? Like the Russian collusion narrative? Being spun into the mainstream while we watch?

When Glen Simpson said yesterday, he would plead the 5th if called to testify about the Dossier/Bruce Ohr conflicting testimony? Are we watching the death of “Muh Russia” and the beginning of “Muh Saudi”? And this is happening while MBS is trying to weed out the radical Princes and dirty money in his kingdom = read as Saudi Deep State. While MBS is a close friend to the Trump Administration and they are BOTH weeding out Deep State?

Are you smelling a rat? But wait, it gets better. In July, 2004, the Washington Post reported (article enclosed) on the arrest/sentencing of Alamoudi and they KNEW about Saffuri’s ties to the entire nest of terror. Why in the heck would WaPost consider Saffuri a reliable source, in 2018?

The WaPost KNEW about Alamoudi’s plot to assassinate Prince (later King) Abdullah. They know the history and all the connections. Why Saffuri?

And why in the heck would they hire Khashoggi?

Something is rotten in Doha, Medina, and DC. .

Exactly.

fuck ourselves over economically and destroy our alliance because Saudi is building a shipyard?

but why?

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But, bump for Yemen, not this dead fat glowing cunt.

They don't mean gas just old Willy Pete. It's bad, but no one cares.

>Since the onset of that war, Riyadh has been accused of using banned chemical weapons against the Yemeni soldiers defending their country against the Saudi-led aggression, with reports of using US-supplied white phosphorus munitions that can maim and kill by burning to the bone.

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>Khashoggi was going to expose the United States and Saudi Arabia for chemical attack on Yemen.
So Trump would be mega fucked then.
That's why Trump is so vigorously protecting and supporting Saudis after the murder of Khashoggi.

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> Assad has used phosphorous for this very reason.
When was Assad accused of using willy P on people?

None of this implicates Khashoggi.

No one cares about fucking sandniggers

This is the weapon that Press TV was talking about.

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> yes, hold my warm meth pipe
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> if i keep posting it someone will start to believe me!

The (((deep state))), pissrael, and saudis using illegal chemical weapons. The world's cancers just doing what they do.

It's your standard long word salad post. Remember X event? Well it turns out those people knew people who secretly did something. Ergo the real story behind X event is Y rationale.

of course not. that user is retarded, just copying/pasting the same shit over and over again.

Good video link. Thanks user.

Yea he just posted all of that bullshit for no reason, and none of that has to do with the topic of the thread, starting to get the feeling there are a whole bunch of glowies in this thread trying to keep the truth from getting out

So Trump is using Saudi to fuck China, Russia and Canada with oil prices and this WAPO faggot gets killed...
OMG you guys, we should just do want China, Russia and Canada want and stab Saudi in the back with their war with Yemen because fucking ourselves over would be "the right thing to do"

how about, no

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That woman is a worthless whore.

Please be A little bit more coherent with your thoughts user.

That's what a second level cover story looks like. When some people get smart enough to realize the official story is bullshit safe alternative explanations are introduced.

you're 100% correct. these shilling faggots are shitting up this board with disinformation. i wonder why? hrmmm

>OMG you guys, we should just do want China, Russia and Canada want and stab Saudi in the back with their war with Yemen because fucking ourselves over would be "the right thing to do"
What? You mean the U.S. is in bed with the Saudis.

Imagine my fucking shock.

Nice, immoral evil America. Sell more of that evil shit to Saudis. Sleep well Trump knowing that you are such a great businessman.

No prob

Its almost if... working with Saudi to dump oil literally won the cold war and is part of our economic arsenal.

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The best question to untangle any wild conspiracy or deep event is Cui Bono, who benefits? When you think of who would benefit then think about what would confirm or reject this hypothesis. You'll find proof a lot of the time.

Bad theories don't consider Cui Bono. Everything is just an expression of irrationality, evil, or committed by otherwise unaccountable elements.

Are you blind? He's made a career of glowing in the dark, surrounded by terrorists, there's a change of guard and he get's whacked. How unsurprising. Who the fuck cares. Tell us more about Yemen I'm not partisan, but that fat slob got what was coming to him. Again, bump for the humanitarian crisis in Yemen but fuck off with the party line of omfg poor cuddly journalist

Khashoggi was a true Matyr.

If you put someone on their knees and shoot them in head you're a monster, but if you kill them far away with a remote controlled plane, even if they're unarmed, everyone's fine with.

Welcome to how stupid everything is.

Ohhhhhhh shit son, large if quantifiably provable

>party line of omfg poor cuddly journalist

They killed a citizen, and lied to the president of the U.S about it and then they President of the US lied and covered it up too, so this is not about party, this about human decency.

If he was about to expose Saudi Arabia for using WP on civilians then that would be the icing on the cake.

It's a true, but misleading headline. The headline says chemical weapons to make you think gas. The body says Willy Pete which is used all the time without much controversy.

US used white phospherous in Fallujah, Israel in Gaza and Russia in Syria.
Doubt that was enough reason to torture, kill and dismember a journalist in an embassy.

hey not to sidetrack too much from the thread but in the vid i posted earlier showing white phospherous i just realized something

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wtf is with all the people driving around back and forth on the highway right next to a fucking battle? like theres a tank literally shooting shells form a lane and vans and cars are just driving right next to it like its normal lmao

I guess they just don't give shut anymore lmao

*Shit

I always thought the Russian bot thing was fake until I saw this glowing thread. Hello Putin- are you still molesting little boys? Still haven't taken a wife or mistress? Too busy running the state...and banging little boys.

Matyr-dei?

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But a jurno that is about to expose big shit does not enter the expose embassy/consulate unless WMD levels of retardation.

I find the coup attemp gone south more logical. The white P is just a secondary thing to quiet the population with the coup. "But he was a murdering king" type of shit. Now the White P has value to hide the coup attempt. This just grinds me right.

>Attack on Yemen: Don't care
>Khashoggi being murdered: Don't care

wew lad.

everyone paying any attention whatsoever already knew the Saudis finance terrorism and that the US allows it to happen

SHUT
IT
DOWN

Saudi is ARE ally
Fuck Yemen

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the janitors and mods are the ones posting the slide threads using memeflags

how would yemen tell you they did? through the jewish media?

you fucking piece of shit kushner shill

yes. trump confirmed for total israeli trash. i hope someone blows his orange kike head off and SOON