How do protestants reach salvation?

They don't reach salvation, receiving the Sacraments is required, and the Protestant versions of them aren't properly ordered.

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They don't.

I'm a legal adult, shitboomer.
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Lutheran and calvinist inspired ones believe in salvation through belief alone.

That means that committing sin doesn't matter as long as you believe in christ or if you were born saved from the beginning

>I'm an adult

topkek

Salvation is reached through faith, accepting Christ into your heart, making the confession, and full body baptism into the death and resurrection of Christ. You are saved for works, not by them. Also baptism is to be done when the person has an understanding of what it means to be saved. Babies cannot be properly baptized and sprinkling of infants is a damnable heresy.

Soooo, as long as I have faith and am "saved" I can commit all kinds of sin and still go to heaven?

Willful sins will still damn you, but through baptism, you have the ability to bear your heart to God, receive forgiveness, and be free of the sins. It has to be genuine of course, but you can't really trick God.

Lutheran
>Baptismal regeneration
>(Just read Luther's Catchecism)

Calvinist
>TULIP

Presbyterian
>Catholic-lite

Methodist
>Nu-Catholic

Baptist
>90% Lordship salvation

Any ecumenical/Evangelical/Non-denominational
>Baptismal regeneration + Lordship lite

Charismatic/Pentecostal
>Throw your hands up in the sky and believe whatever your feels tell you

It's rare, but you'll get that one Protestant or Baptist church that has it properly at pic related

>B-b-b-but muh easy believism

Paul wrote all of his epistles refuting works salvation, with the Book of Romans being the #1 go-to.

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meh, might as well just be catholic

That doesn't answer my question. Let's say I go to a protestant church, get "saved," get baptized... later down the road murder my neighbor for whatever reason. Don't repeat, but still have faith and still believe. I die. Do I go to heaven?

why the hell am I getting 7 and 8 captias in a row?

Uhg. I like Latin, but I'm not going to sit and and listen to a lace-wearing faggot in a dress mumble it to me.

Saul did in the OT, and he wasn't even a Christian. The same can be said of Paul and the thief on the cross.

No Paul didn't - it's just what your pastor told you HE thinks Paul said. That's the problem with you protestants. Don't like something an author of a book says in a particular verse... no problem! You get exegesis the hell out of it to get to mean what you need it to mean to fit your version of Christianity.

John 3:5 is perfect example. Because most of you reject the significance of baptism you come up with all kinds of different "interpretations" of what Jesus was "really saying."

This is why Protestantism is BS. Partly why I should say.

Once saved always saved is another damnable heresy. Every day you must strive from righteousness and purity. As for your example, that would be quite a dark blot upon your soul. You would have to seek to right all of the wrongs you committed and genuinely ask God for the forgiveness of your sins. Then you may be returned to a state of salvation.

Protestants aren't liturgical people, they reject rich and public manifestations of christianity, so they don't have a sense of any christian "form"

Good always takes some shape in the world. Christian world is a good world and it has to be shaped in reality. In thoughts and actions

Kingdom of God isn't a kingdom in which people just spew out "I believe" or think that and then proceed to fuck prostitutes. In God's Kingdom there's simply no prostitution

>Do they honestly believe that through faith alone you can reach a state of grace?
AKA
>Do they honestly believe what the Bible says over what the Jew-subverted, God-hating Catholic church says?

Yes. We do. Repent of your heresy and be saved.

>the institution is corrupt therefore we should ignore the sacraments and all the millenial tradition behind it
lmao, the name "Protestant" isn't really in vain

Bingo.

A Protestant is exactly what the name suggests, a protesting Catholic. Nearly all Protestants teach a works salvation and directly copy Catholic traditions despite them having literally no scriptural basis (they don't even have verses to twist, they're literally just making doctrines up out of thin air). It's all works salvation nonsense and robed liars with their collars on backwards telling you if you don't go to their Babel building every Sunday and tithe you are going to burn.

The only churches that get things right tend to be independent Baptists or Non-denoms, but even then it's in the minority.

btw "easy-believism" is in the Bible and you can screech about how much you hate it, but that's what Jesus taught. God didn't make salvation any harder than you would have made it to get the people you cared about and died for reconciled with you.

Ephesians 2:8-9
>For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
>Not of works, lest any man should boast.

John 11:25-26
>Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
>And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

Catholic: "No"

Okay, so now where does the Bible say that people who aren't actually trusting in Jesus to take them to Heaven go?

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>it's just what your pastor told you HE thinks Paul said.

I mean, I find that 100% ironic because all of the Catholic apologists I've ever spoken to refer to what they think Iraneaus, Tertullian, Jerome, Eusubius, Augustine, Origen, and the other church fathers thought, but...

Rom 4:2-3
>For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

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That's the beauty of Catholicism. The Church certainly has it's humanly issues , but those issues do not detract from the reality of her teachings when it comes to salvation or the sacraments.

A pervert priest or a corrupt pope does not invalidate the truth of the Eucharist, baptism, etc.

>does the Bible say that people who aren't actually trusting in Jesus to take them to Heaven go?
Has it ever crossed your mind that Revelation is not just Bible but the entire creation and natural law? So why do you limit yourself just to Bible. If the Bible told you that cows are filthy then you wouldn't drink milk?

I can show you all the seven sacraments in the bible. Taken exactly for what the author said. The Church doesn't depend on the bible alone, because "bible alone" isn't taught anywhere in the bible.

Not to mention, the lunatic who is ultimately responsible for the rise of Protestantism removed seven full books for your version of the bible and attempted to remove Revelations, James, and I believe Hebrews.

It was a mocking post to people who reject salvation by faith alone. Romans 4 and Ephesians as you quoted are the best ways to state that. Another is Ephesians 4:30 and I Cor. 3:15

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>it's just what your pastor told you HE thinks Paul said.

I mean, I find that 100% ironic because all of the Catholic apologists I've ever spoken to refer to what they think Iraneaus, Tertullian, Jerome, Eusubius, Augustine, Origen, and the other church fathers thought, but...

Rom 4:2-3
>For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

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>That's the beauty of Catholicism.

You're a complete hypocrite. Your criticism of Protestants is literally what Catholic teachings in infallibly based upon. I know, now please commence with all of the special pleading you have to make so that standards don't actually apply to you.

>it's just what your pastor told you HE thinks Paul said. That's the problem with you protestants. Don't like something an author of a book says in a particular verse... no problem! You get exegesis the hell out of it to get to mean what you need it to mean to fit your version of Christianity.

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by converting

Salvation is like a pie that has several "pieces." You're cherry picking the ones that require faith to be saved... and yes... faith is required to be saved... but faith is not the only requirement.

John 3:5, 1 Peter 3: 20-24 as well as many other verses make it clear that baptism is also required.

Stop thinking of salvation as one piece of the pie and consider the entire pie.

Do you even know what "catholic infallibility" is? I'm betting you don't have the first clue of what Catholicism teaches.... other than what Pastor Anderson told you in his latest video.

Faith alone has damned untold millions. As has incorrect baptism.

>Has it ever crossed your mind that Revelation is not just Bible but the entire creation and natural law?
Natural law is anti-degeneracy, anti-miscegenation, anti-homo, anti anything that causes low birth rate, etc.
Most CINOs are rabidly against natural law because at least one of their favorite hobbies leads to low birthrates or unstable families (which causes low birthrate so effectively same category.) And anytime you bring natural law up to CINOs they call you either a bigot or jewish depending on whether whatever you said is more important in the OT than it is anti-liberal.

Jesus dies for our sins, our righteousness and salvation is HIM! Thinking YOU can obtain salvation is gay
>its not my works but HIS sacrifice for our sins
Believe in jesus with all your heart, mind, and soul and know he rose from the dead and is Lord

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>Faith alone has damned untold millions. As has incorrect baptism.

t. baby baptizer

I'm prot, lutheran and 80% of it is repenting for your sins, and trying to act in a way that adheres to the Bible. Prots aren't big on following pedophilic good goys' interpretations of God's word, so yeah, no Pope. Your relationship with God is a personal one, and if you are a good person who has faith, you will go to Heaven. You don't need churches for that, either, really.
FAKE NEWS

“That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.”
Romans 10:9

Sprinkling infants is what I was referencing.

Indeed it has. But, protestants are the ultimate NPC in the Christian world. Specifically, the Fundamentalists and Evangelicals.

>catholic man bad
>works base faith bad
>faith alone good

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Where's the baptism?
John 3:18
>He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

And if Jesus told Nicodemus he had to be baptized, why did the thief on the cross get a free ticket to heaven w/out baptism?
Luke 23:43-44
>And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

I Pet. 3:20-24 isn't referencing salvation; it's referencing obedience. The opening of the letter (1:3) is referencing saved Christians, not heathen.

Ladies and gentlemen, Jesus Christ
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1 Peter 3: 20-22

>Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

>The like figure whereunto [even] baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

Wait, let me guess... through exegesis you decided that Peter wasn't "really" talking about water, actual water... he was being figurative!

I love the thief on the cross argument.

Protestant logic:
>Jesus is God and do anything
>Jesus isn't allowed to make an exception for the thief on the cross.

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And you have a centuries old pagan ritual incorporating worldwide sexual exploitation money machine, the traditions of men versus the Word of God.
>For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16, King James Version.

>What's worse is that the Americans (American evangelicals especially) have completely twisted verses of the New Testament completely out of context to further support their Fast-Food, point and click, easy-believism.
that's only one sect of evangelicalism, known as the Free Grace Movement, a heretical group like cherry picks their verses to prove their soteriology. Many evangelicals follow at least 4 components of salvation to be done, faith/belief, repentance, confession, baptism (the most disputed).

It seems almost bizarre that the majority of commentators, from Shepard of Hermes, Justin Martyr all the way to George-Beasley Murray see baptism in John 3:5. Also I am not a Catholic so please don't label me as one.

What does "believe" mean? "Believe" is a verb (a work) it's an action. So, what does believe mean? Is it just a cognitive recognition of Jesus' reality? Does it include the requirement of obedience to His word?

It's cherrypicking friend not actual exegesis

>soteriology ... follow at least 4 components of salvation
>AT LEAST
See guys, this nut tried to make it sound very complicated, and he got it all wrong because he made NO mention of Jesus Christ!
Jesus saves - that's why he's called "Saviour".

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>Ignoring context (I Peter 1:3)

I Corinthians 1:14
>I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;

Uhoh

>Extriscriptura conjectarius
That's what I love about Catholic logic

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Because many of them (not all, but many) don't go back further than 1500's. They reject the writings of the early church fathers because they aren't "biblical."

Never mind the fact that if you agree they aren't biblical - they, at the very least, give you a deep look into how Christians practiced and believed in the early days of the faith. They are a historical record of early Christian practices... but again... they reject it.

By becoming Catholics. Literally. For the good ones it'll happen in purgatory.

The end

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>" And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house." Acts 16:30-31

>" Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent." John 6:28-29

>" Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin." Romans 4:4-8

Oh so you can take this or that verse serious... but when other verses challenge your convictions you write them off through "context?"

Gotcha.

Tends to be natural when the commentators are from Catholic origin. It's akin to wondering why nationalists have a near-unified agreement with Hitler's mindset or Communists with Marx.

Tertullian had conflicting views IIRC, and he was contemporary of Eusubius; the man who gave Constantine the Catholic doctrines.

it's not really,

Faith (John 3:16)
Repentance (Acts 2:38)
Confession (Romans 10:9; Acts 22:16)
Baptism (John 3:5; Acts 2:38; Romans 6:1-4; Galatians 3:27-28)

>Never mind the fact that if you agree they aren't biblical - they, at the very least, give you a deep look into how Christians practiced and believed in the early days of the faith. They are a historical record of early Christian practices... but again... they reject it.
I believe baptism is necessary for salvation, since it is a reenactment of the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus (cf. Romans 6:1-6) to put us into Christ there is no reason to reject baptism as a non-necessity. One who is not in Christ is separate from him.

By loving God, and your neighbors.

Do you even understand what a Catholic means when we refer to "works?"

No, I'm sure you don't. You've been brainwashed by Protestantism to think that we are somehow "earning" our way to heaven. As if God is sitting up there with a clip board keeping track of our good deeds and awarding points accordingly.

That's not what Catholics believe. "Works" are acts of obedience. I could explain it to you more detail, but you'll green text some other stuff because you're mind is already made up. So, it's pointless.

>reject the writings of the early church fathers because they aren't "biblical."
An 'early church father" pic related

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I would caution everyone to stop presuming people are going to hell as if you’re God himself declaring it. That being said, I want all Protestants off my board.

Well George-Beasley Murray is a baptist, most of the European baptists follow the view of the necessity of baptism which was traditionally held by the founders of the English Baptists, this means that they were rejecting Anabaptist view of baptism, while holding the same subject of a believer and not a infant. American baptists are an new phenomenon, since their Great Awakening lead to new innovations of soteriologies that were unfounded in a majority of Church History. Sinners Prayer, Mourners Bench etc. etc.

>been brainwashed by..
This is what washed my brain, user - pic related - feels good, you should try it.

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Protestants believe that you build a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and that Jesus Christ will save you. They don't think pedophiles in bathrobes fit into the equation at all.

>They don't think pedophiles in bathrobes fit into the equation at all.
So they are basically defeatists then?

Both! Believing and then living accordingly! It’s not simply believing and then remaining the same person in the world and of the world, as we are called to be separate from the world. >cherrypicking
Jesus is the Word of God, God, made flesh. You’re picking to pick apart, are you not?

You can add "once saved, always saved" to that list too... a belief that didn't exist until the 1960s (I think). There are sects of American evangelicalism (surely other parts of the world too) that hold tightly to that recently created dogma as if Jesus Himself taught it (which He didn't).

The Bible doesn't save anyone. Jesus Christ does, and you find out about him in The Bible.

Hey, if St. Paul thanked God for not baptizing people, shouldn't you follow suit? Clearly baptizing people isn't a good thing.

Would you disagree with the idea that if a person has faith, it will lead them to do good works?

They've pretty much given up on scoring lollis.

>obedience

To obey is to believe:

>" But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." Romans 10:16-17

>obeyed
>believed

More like they've given up on everything catholicism represents due to the fact priests being pedo/corrupt

>Jesus is the Word of God, God, made flesh. You’re picking to pick apart, are you not?
no I'm being consistent with the holy scripture, if John 3:16 and Acts 2:38 are meant to be consistent with one another it would assume all these things lead to salvation and not that John 3:16 trumps all verses that seemingly contradict that.

Well it's the logical conclusion of a belief system, being based on TULIP doctrine, that if God has predestined us to be in the body of Christ and others for hell, it would assume nothing would ever lead us to fall away and nothing would lead the unsaved to be saved.

Monks had a lot in common with Jow Forums.

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You should probably read that verse in context, user. The larger context is people forming sects according to who they were baptized by. He doesn't want people to follow him just because he was their baptizer, but to follow God in whose name they were baptized. He isn't saying that people shouldn't be baptized at all.

I'm out for the night... time to listen to Robert in /cpd/ thread.

For those of you genuinely interested in understand the Catholic faith don't waste time scouring YouTube, or reading anti-Catholic books, or listening to your pastor (who himself doesn't know jack about it). Simply Google "Catechism of the Catholic Church" and browse through it yourself. That will give you exactly what the Church teaches and why it teaches it.

There are many things the Church teaches I don't agree with. Some of the titles Mary has been given, etc... but the path to salvation is absolute and clear in Catholicism. To the rest of you who don't care... Neither do I. Keep your Happy Meal, modernized beliefs and enjoy hell.

>a person has faith,
IN CHRIST'S FINISHED WORK
>it will lead them to do good works?

They will only do non-saving works, because if they are led to try to save themselves by their works then obviously they didn't have correct faith. That's what Paul called "fallen from grace"

>" Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace." Galatians 5:4

Sure, but I can't speak for them. Luther did the same thing later on (oddly enough, it's never brought up,)and Calvin would have anyone excommunicated from Geneva, if not outright killed, if they were against infant baptism (although it seems like he'd just throw whoever insert the bus if they disagreed with him.)

Foxe's book of Martyrs lists the uncanny parallel of people who would be against baptismal regeneration. Waldanese are a notable group.

meh the brazilian priests are pretty good at youtube tho

>monks
>arabic script

I get it, though.

I didn't ask if the works would save them, I asked whether faith will inspire people to do good works.

> 8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9Not of works, lest any man should boast.

How do Catholics allow homosexual pedophiles tell them what they have to do to reach salvation?

that was in association with other people, if you read past the introduction of 1 Corinthians 1 he mention disunity and it came through via baptism, it would contradict Paul in Acts 18:8 who actually did baptize some of them, he would have done wrong.
>Calvin would have anyone excommunicated from Geneva, if not outright killed, if they were against infant baptism
Yeah, but this was more of Zwingli than anyone else, he would openly want to drown Anabaptist's in the rivers for their disagree with him, especially since both Zwingli and Calvin were infant baptizers, with Calvin inventing his own type of sacramental baptism for infants that makes no sense when thought about for some time.

I understand, sir; I just find it quite irksome that people develop a cult around one verse (Pentecosts w/ Acts 2:4, JW's w/ Rev. 7:4.)

(ie "Faith without works is dead.") Wouldn't someone who genuinely has faith in God's mercy and love, and who believes and accepts that Christ died for them, be inspired to do good things? Not because those things would save them, but because that is the example which Christ set forth?

>"path to salvation"
Notice, not actual "salvation" but just the "path to" something you've got to earn for yourself by being a goodie-goodie
> is absolute and clear in Catholicism.
>go read the "Catechism of the Catholic Church"
Notice, so "clear" you have to read thousand of pages. Notice he didn't mention which edition of the Catechism, since it changes a lot, and editions from 60+ years ago are radically different.

There are things the Magisterium has decided on, and there are opinions. Yes, Church fathers give good opinions generally, and are authorities.

But the Magisterium is not Tertullian riffing. Nor is it your pastor or you. It is the one infallible organ of truth on this planet. It made the Bible! And it operates through the bishops, heirs to the apostles, working TOGETHER.

Don't you dare
>imply
Catholic dogmatic teaching is just some guy's opinion. It's God's truth. By all means, fiddle around with the less important parts of Scripture. There's enough to keep you busy for a lifetime.

But it you mess with what the Church teaches on justification, and especially if you tell others, you are in very serious danger of eternal damnation.

Get over yourself, and get into the one true Church.

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