ILLEGAL ALIENS ARE NOT SUBJECT TO THE JURISDICTION OF THE UNITED STATES

>Since we can arrest them, try them in court for crimes against US code, and even imprison them after convicting them of crimes, they are under our jurisdiction.
lmao imagine being this stupid

You tell em Donald!

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No, idiot, since we can’t arrest or contain them without proper housing, we will just have to fucking shoot them. The idea is that Mexico will be sued if they are alllwed to reach border.

>implying a couple hundred MS-13 members are dangerous without thousands of fresh illegals in their pockets

kid do you understand what jurisdiction means? It means that our laws apply to them and we can make legal decisions involving them, like arresting or incarcerating them.

If you're on the colorado side of the Colorado/Wyoming border, smoking a joint in front of a Wyoming highway patrol, That highway patrolman cannot arrest you or charge you, because you are not under his jurisdiction. If you cross the line with that joint though, he can arrest you because now you're under his jurisdiction and you're responsible for obeying Wyoming state law.

When they're across the border in Mexico they're not under our jurisdiction but the moment they cross the international border, they are.

Just listen to CNN they have Americas best interest at heart! THE NETWORK KNOWS HOW TO RUN THIS COUNTRY!

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Do you not understand what originalist means or did you forget about the President's SCOTUS appointments? Your gay little interpretation that "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" has to do with law enforcement is a joke.

>kid do you understand what jurisdiction means?
hahahaha look at this fucking retard trying to talk down to me.

There's no way they're going to create a meaning of the word jurisdiction that has a double standard where they're subject to our criminal laws but not our constitution.

I want to sue the world.

"the caravan" is a 1000 miles from the border, idiot

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Does that mean that I could go to the US on a tourist visa, commit fraud, steal a bunch of stuff, get caught and then say, "hey, I'm not a US citizen so you can't prosecute me"?

"Subject to the jurisdiction thereof" means sole allegiance to the United States as per the ratifier's intentions. Your middle school take on this is embarrassing. lmao how fucking stupid are you?
>hurr what's context
>b-but muh definition

>jurisdiction meaning
>the extent of the power to make legal decisions and judgments
>President of the united states decides to make executive order. or pass through congress

If an Indian leaves the res and kidnaps a politican, the law can't punish him?

Yes if you're the child of an ambassador.

No, because when you're in the US you're under the jurisdiction of US law. But that also means you have certain rights under our constitution, IE if you do commit a crime you have the right to due process, a trial by jury, and they can't torture you.

Whew boys, born just in time to see this cursed Union die under its own weight, maybe this life isnt so bad!

m8 you're barking up the wrong tree. I'm arguing for consistency in that if you're in the US you're under our jurisdiction, you're responsible for obeying our laws.

I think you've honed in on the distinction:

>if you're in the territory, you're subject to the laws and responsible for non-criminal torts you commit and may be prosecuted or sued

>if you're "subject to [US jurisdiction]", in certain cases, that jurisdiction follows you outside US territory and thus you may be prosecuted for travelling to Thailand and fucking 12-year-old hookers.

It's the second type of jurisdiction (of which being prosecuted is but one effect) that is meant with the 14th Amendment

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.. if it's also illegal in Thailand, and that partially happens so that they can extradite you back to the US to stand trial under our justice system rather than theirs (and Thailand could refuse to extradite you). But on the flip side if you go to Canada as a US citizen and smoke a bunch of weed, you're not going to be prosecuted for committing what would be a crime in the US, because it's legal there.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I remember reading that US has the power and laws on the books (not for weed, though) to prosecute its citizens for conduct engaged in outside US territory which is legal under the foreign nation's law.

I can't be 100% sure but I don't think so. I mean legal drinking age in the US is 21 but people who travel overseas or even to Canada with lower drinking ages take advantage of it all the time. Prostitution isn't federally illegal so depending on local law it can even be legal to do it in the US, much less traveling to Amsterdam and buying a hooker for a night. maybe something narrow in scope like espionage or something that becomes a national security issue.

nationalreview.com/2015/08/birthright-citizenship-not-mandated-by-constitution/

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There's a few but it's mostly to do with bribery of foreign officials, and tax evasion. IE if you are a US citizen and you operate a business in Singapore, and live in Singapore, you're still liable for US federal taxes unless you renounce your citizenship.

Here's some examples
>18 U.S.C. § 2423(d): Travel with intent to engage in illicit sexual conduct
>18 U.S.C. § 2423(c): Engaging in illicit sexual conduct in foreign places
>18 U.S.C. § 2423(d): Ancillary Offenses
>18 U.S.C. §§ 2251(c) and 2260(a): Production of Child Pornography outside the United States
>18 U.S.C. § 1591: Sex Trafficking of children by force, fraud, or coercion
18 U.S.C. § 1596: Additional jurisdiction in certain trafficking offenses

Hm, if they're not subject to our jurisdiction...is it illegal to kill them?

hmm that doesn't entirely make sense by that you'd think they'd be able to prosecute someone going to a country where adult prostitution was legal and participating in it but I've only ever heard of prosecution for using child prostitutes because that's pretty much universally illegal.

There's still international law.

>smdh
Shaking my dick hard?

Our troops are gonna fuck them up now!

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