Is it possible to have a welfare system that doesnt have dysgenic effects on the general populace?

literally this guy

Civilization is dysgenic. People bleat about 'muh contribution' and 'muh hard work', but they are farm animals compared to nature.

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imagine his belly sealing in your face

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This is what happens to farm animals.

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Maybe. If we bring in a welfare system in that to get paid you have to learn and work on a skill or field that is in demand - in the end, you will have experience and the knowledge for something that is in demand. The government will help with the resources needed to learn whatever it is.

If you fail assessments (practical or intellectual) then no benefits for you. If you refuse to partake in the learning - then no benefits for you.

Good bost m8

Yes. Welfare system coupled with state-mandated eugenics. It can be either positive eugenics (voluntary state-funded genetic engineering for babbies) or negative eugenics (forced sterilization of undesirables, regardless of whether or not they receive welfare)

only if the society in which the welfare is provided is homogeneous.

why would the best in society need welfare

In awe at the size o this koala bear

Genetically defective whites are in abundance and the welfare state fuels their replication

tie welfare to permanent sterilization

Because being the best at something doesn't always translate into financial success.

>government negatively taxes the rich

You know, this could actually work

To encourage breeding of people with better genes. Smart successful people tend to have very few children. By paying the couple for every child they produce it would incentivize the woman to stay home and take care of the children instead of going to work, and it would incentivize looking for better partners. If you had an IQ over 100, you were healthy, tall and good looking, you would have to think twice before you decide to make children with some 95 IQ she-beast.

that isnt welfare though, its just handouts,
not saying that it is a bad idea

>execute any man on less than 20K by the time they're 30
>tax anyone on less than 100K at 50%
>110K to 300K pay 0% tax
>300K + receive welfare benefits that scale up with income

He has umbilical hernia from the obesity.

TOOOOT!!

Depressing, isn't it?

This.

So the ceo and shareholder get zero tax and additional money taken from all their employees?
>great plan fucknut

Baseline socialized services instead of welfare.
BUT NOT TOO MUCH, and not illegal for citizens to get service from the private sector. Just a sprinkle to maintain the baseline QoL.

Tax single childless high-income men, ban no-fault divorce.

We have entire white towns that are practically homogenous but they can still end up with benefit pondscum. White people aren't magically immune to dysgenics, you know.

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Yep, you gas those that aren't legit disabled or otherwise unable to work and use them as a cheap renewable source of energy.

>s it possible to have a welfare system that doesnt have dysgenic effects on the general populace?

Yes , become an accelarationist and vote for gibs to everything , eventually the inflation will return eugenic effects.
That said better to avoid the welfare state in the first place.

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CEO's, doctors etc aren't taxed because they're alpha
Business owners receive benefits because they build society
Workers are taxed because they're genetic trash

You're thinking from the perspective of what's fair probably because you're envious genetic trash. Life doesn't have to be fair, society has to serve a greater purpose. We want to encourage the best people to reproduce, not flush society down the drain because it's fair.

Oh yeah i should have added that tax benefits and tax breaks only apply if you have kids and are married

This is why shitskins in white countries are LITERALLY evolving to become parasites since their new dominant survival strategy is to be a useless welfare leech. It will go on until the non-leech whites can't bear the burden anymore and parasitic shitskins start to die. In theory you could reach an equilibrium at which the parasite population remains about proportional to the host population, but that would imply that that relationship could be stable over the centuries when it had no reason to.

yeah, it's called labor camps.

>Being this bluepilled

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No.

Your screenshot is the opposite of what I'm saying though. I'm talking about giving money to people who earn money, and taxing the lazy and useless

>Civilization is dysgenic.
lel no, law and order is eugenic, religious morals when enforced correctly (as in executing degenerates) are also eugenic, letting people starve if they don't do some high level work (i.e. not just picking bananas) is also eugenic. But that's not obvious since the net result is currently highly dysgenic.

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This, it's actually the solution to a lot of things. Promise shitskins or any other useless cunt that they'll get all they need and never have to work as long as they get a vasectomy or a hysterectomy.

It´s not , bussiness are not taxed as much because they outsource their costs.
But every year taxes and fees grow non stop ,in most societies at the moment.

Sad but true.

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Yes, with fascism.

Yes. Incentivize and subsidize birth control for the ones you don't want breeding, and provide incentives for those with desirable traits.
Oh wait, that's EuGeNiCs, which I forgot must be evil because Nazis.

I don't get anal about definitions. What things are is more important than what you call them, welfare or handouts, all it essentially means is that someone is receiving money from the government and that money is helping them breed. You can decide whether the system supports the worst of society or the best of society. At the end of the day someone is going to be receiving tax payer money and breeding like a rat when they wouldn't be breeding at all if it was not for the government assistance.

>state work programs
Shut the fuck up you retarded leaf. By their very definition, state work programs CANNOT do useful work, or else they'll ALWAYS undercut private services.

Putting more people out of work, forcing them onto government subsistence.

it already works like this in many countries

Might want to actually read the thread.

Seething neet

Actually an engineer but OK.

>WIDE LOAD
Lost it.

have a responsible population and culture. Then the ones who really do find themselves in hard times will have welfare to safety net them, but driven with responsibility to not only themselves but also their their countrymen and nation, they will use this temporary time in their lives to pick up and get back up out of welfare and back to a contributing member of society,

That poor tree.

Why is this country so grim? It reeks of decay

Maybe with forcibly education.

Yes, only give welfare to those that are not degenerate. That way you incentivize civil behavior. If you want to be degenerate, you’re left to the vicissitudes of the market.

We already have that now if you didn't notice.

There is a kebab Walmart behind you and you're proud of lifting an old fatass up a tree. Wew I'm glad to be a 56%er

Imagine being a Muslim that just got to England and you witness this. I'd conquer you too lol

Ok I've change my mind.

Everyone married person earning over 300K receives land for every child they have
Every married person earning 100-300K receives a scaling tax break for every child they have
Every person earning under 100K pays 20% tax +10% for every child they have. This 10% scales up the less you earn. 100% tax is possible, at which point rations will be routinely distributed

>This, it's actually the solution to a lot of things. Promise shitskins or any other useless cunt that they'll get all they need and never have to work as long as they get a vasectomy or a hysterectomy.

as a poolander you have an even better solution available to you; don't promise niggers anything and build a fucking wall.

Depends, maybe this little stutter in human evolution going to make us super empathetic to the point where we are able to achieve an even higher state
of evolution

Sounds like a fucking dystopian nightmare where only Jewish bankers and their sociopathic white ceo allies get to have children. You might get some white engineers and doctors but hardly the numbers we need.

Reminder that most "high income" people are high income because they work for the benefit of the Jewish system either directly or indirectly.

What if in a natural world an individual would thrive by harnessing nature and taking from the land and fellow men but due to societal restrictions they are unable to thrive, thus in order to follow the rules forced upon them they choose to exploit welfare rather than engage in what has been deemed by society to be criminal behaviour.

Is it worse for that individual to kill "the crown's deer" to live or to spare it in exchange for the crown's bribe". Who is the real criminal the man who claims ownership of venison which he obtained through the work of hunting or the man who claims ownership of not only the land but everything in it by birth?

Also everyone earning over 100K with at least 3 children receives free healthcare. Healthcare is not available at all for people on less than 100K, however vaccines will be

the obvious solution is a voluntary euthenasia program. if you would self select yourself from life in an instant, what the fuck good are you to the modern world.

would solve overpopulation
would solve tranny problems.
instead we pay depressed retards to stay alive their whole lives mucking it up for people who are strong enough to adapt.

and like that you are overrun by nigs and muzzies

Society right now is a dystopian nightmare. We all pay tax, most of which is given to unnecessary bureaucrats who then funnel most of the remaining money to single mums. Meanwhile the government borrows money from future children to pay for boomer retirement

You're assuming that those who earn the most are the most intelligent and contribute the most to society but the highest earners are often those who inherited the most from a bloodline of thieves, manipulators and swindlers. What you are proposing is that kikes who have practiced usury for generations should be paid to breed.

Why? They're punished for having children

Look at Leonardi da Vinci's grotesques. These sorts of people existed long before the welfare state.

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sure thing, Akmed

I live in England and my missus is on maternity getting barely any money. I'm in a decent job and my gf has to stay at home with the newborn (if anyone thinks different look up the main cause for children that have abandonment issues).

If it wasn't for the £70 I get every month for the government I'd be pretty fucked. Issue is with my country, you get penalised for working. I'd be better off if my girlfriend went on benefits than go back to work after her maternity is up. It's an absolute joke.

Contracts involving the future repayment of debt aren't enforceable. They must be made on a trust basis, meaning that (a) there has to be a reasonable expectation that a business idea is viable and (b) money lending doesn't become a predatory business in and of itself, and is simply an efficient way to assist entrepreneurs

married people can get a mortgage loan of 100k from the government.
for every kid born the government pays 1/3 of the loan.

A one off sterilization payment of 20,000 before having any children
10,000 after one child
goodbye blacks and leftist.

>Is it possible to have a welfare system that doesnt have dysgenic effects on the general populace?
>If so how?
Yes.
Opt-in communism; those who chose it get basic minimum income, have mandatory community service, and are sterilized.

yes yes. when nearly half of jews are in the top 1%.

You vastly overestimate how much money people make.
mean income is not in the same ballpark as median. its double median.

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Based /sp/ poster

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You stupid Brits holy fuck my sides look at that cunt

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But with sexual selection we are moving away from that.

The welfare state just ensures they continue breeding and producing the next generation of beggar-goblins.

Don't ever call me or any other American fat again, you dumb brit fuck!

Based pseudo-jap.

Problem is that genetic trash does all the shitty manual labor jobs. They're kind of necessary.

>Is it possible to have a welfare system that doesn't have dysgenic effects on the general populace?
>If so how?
sure. pay women to have children in special fertility communities. they would be impregnated with sperm from intelligent donors.

go home anarcho-syndicalist (maybe primitivist)

How do people earn money if you’ve just taken half the money supply out of circulation?
This would lead to a rapid collapse of the entire economy you retard
Also how will you administer this beaurocracy because all your workers have to be paid over 20k or female

Give everyone 100K when they're 18
No other welfare
Homeless adults are executed

I'm completely in favor of giving high IQ married couples financial incentives to have children, along with sterilizing criminals (since criminality is correlated with low IQ, low impulse control, and other primitive traits that are undesirable in a first world civilization). However, giving benefits based on income is the wrong way to go about improving the gene pool. What about the artists, writers, and musicians who create things that are appreciated for centuries after their death, but are generally poor in their lifetime? Your model ensures that they would be bred out within a few generations, which would lead to a very bleak society, lacking in any form of culture. What would be left would be a society of people who are decently intelligent and willing to work 80 hours a week, but have no real drive beyond earning money and climbing the social hierarchy. At that point you might as well just replace the white race with Jews, because there would be very little difference.

It's not necessary for people in manual labour to be ugly, or stupid.

The shitty side of human nature ruins the concept of having a welfare system.
In the US the welfare systems were put in place like an insurance policy for the citizen's well being.
If you were down and out the government would help you out until you recovered but certain"groups" lost their familial structure and the mothers became dependent on the government and it stayed that way to this date.
People are using welfare not as a mean of emergency but as a replacement of an actual job/housing/food/etc.
So as long as there are people willing to abuse the system it will always be a burden on the tax payers and government at large.

mandatory evaluation every 10 years including iq test, fitness and mental health check which along with hereditary diseases etc. result in an overall score
if you're below the score threshold your only option to get a child is with preselected sperm of top 1% score performers

Income is the most efficient way measure who benefits society as a whole. There could be more accurate measures but they'd be way too inefficient. Artistry is a weird one because i think that has more to do with environmental factors. Most art is an externalization of some anxiety which is usually trauma based.