If you don't believe in God, where do you get your morals from?

>If you don't believe in God, where do you get your morals from?

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EMPATHY

As an agnostic person that is a good question. Where are atheists being their fucked up moral code from?

>I get my morals from myself, it's the best source

>I believe in objective morality

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Without Logos, there is no moral law.

Never really see much empathy from atheists personally though they're usually leftists also so that might be more of a factor.

It's a little more complex than that, hombre. If all was based on empathy (which implies an emotional component), there could never be any justice. It would just be a matter of doing what felt right, which ultimately means absolute licentiousness.

>{{{ objective morality }}}
It doesn't exist. For it to be objective. it would have to exist on its own even if no human being were alive to follow it. Moral systems are and have always been 100% the creation of men. There have never been any valid exceptions to this rule.

And it turns out that much of the bible, koran and other Abrahamic morality borrowed heavily from previous societies (Hammurabi) and previous religions (Buddhism). You guys also co-opted our holidays (I really miss those wild Saturnalia parties). There's literally not any original ideas in the Hebrew scriptures. The story about the Great Flood was stolen from Gilgamesh. The story about the Prodigal Son was stolen from Buddha.

I take that back. The bible has a number of parables and lessons based on money that are not found in other texts. Like the Parable of the Talents, the master and slave are metaphors. Do not try to tell me the story, I already know it, thank you. Please explain who you believe the Master stands for, and who you believe the slave is supposed to represent.

>Logos

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Instincts, my dear npc. Instincts. The core of humanity and the core of life.

That's slave morality. Are you a Buddhist? Honesty > empathy.

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Classical liberal values have lots of morals embedded in them. At the end of the day, humans created religious morality so it's not hard to say that we can make up our own minds about it.

>implying bible morals come from god
any and all morals are man made

where is that expanding brain meme where it goes

>morality comes from God
>morality is subjective
>there are superior moral systems that are created by civilization
>There are superior moral systems that religion imposes that civilization creates
>Morality comes from God

THE SAME EMPATHY THAT YOUR FELLOW HUMAN FEELS FOR HIS/HER SOCIAL CIRCLE THAT DETERES YOU FROM KILLING MEMBERS OF SUCH SOCIAL CIRCLE IN FEAR OF RETRIBUTION.

WHERE COMES EMPATHY FROM?

the project of creating universal ethics is the most destructive endeavor in the entire world

Retard please.
Without God you lose a gigantic piece of morality.

This.

>without this spook you lose a major piece of this other spook

You mean Yahweh the god? Not a great example of morality, desu.

EMPATHY CAN BE PARTIALLY DICTATED BY A CODE THAT ISN'T NECESSARILY THE CHRISTIAN ONE; IN SOME CULTURES DYING IN SACRIFICE WAS AN HONOR FOR EXAMPLE.

From the people who wrote the bible.

It would be moral and just to impale you from the ass out the mouth and hang you in the town center to make an example of how fucking retarded subjective morality is

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subjective morality is just as fake and gay as objective morality

Jews.

I'M AGNOSTIC, BUT I THINK THAT THE SCIENTIFIC METHOD, MIGHT, ONE DAY ANSWER ALL THE QUESTIONS, INCLUDING THE 'GOD' QUESTION.

love

>having morals

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Most people have an utterly amazing sense of injustice when they are on the receiving end. It's completely obvious to you and everybody else that all people want to be treated fairly, and this doesn't require a supernatural being. Expanding on this, social contracts between people within their own in-group, or tribe, are also completely obvious. You don't need a deity or even French philosophers to see that either. War between tribes, or groups, of people with competing interests are inevitable, though. No religion even bothers addressing this because it can't be addressed. It is what it is.

THERE ARE ANIMALS THAT HAVE BEHAVIOURS THAT WE CAN TRANSLATE AS MORAL CODE, WHERE THOSE BEHAVIOURS COME FROM?

>It would be moral and just to impale you from the ass out the mouth and hang you in the town center to make an example of...
Theist morals, everyone.

>subjective morality
Men make morals. Even fuckwitted theists freely admit that men wrote their morals too, but then, without any shred of evidence, they tack on the crazy bit about those men being inspired by some supernatural being.

Well, doesn't that mean you are obliged to prove your supernatural deities exist before you can make this claim? Theists never prove their gods exist, so atheists are left with nothing to disprove.

Your morals are based on your feelings?

>subjective morality
All morals are subjective and relative to the cultures and times these morals are written. There's never been any exception to the rule.

My parents and cultural norms.

Duh.

The concept that as social organisms, we shouldn't inflict harm on one another? You know dogs, ants, and birds all have the same 'morals' humans do, right? What godbotherers call 'morals?' Atheists call 'not being a cunt.' I hope that helps.

No, That's like a thing. I could write you a direct quote from my political science textbook.
>Only help those when it advantageous to yourself.

classical liberalism is about the dosh. I thought I was libertarian for the longest time, but I'm not. I don't mind helping people (if I can get something out of it)

You don't do what you don't want to be done to you?

They call it subjective, yet it’s still completely absent outside of the mind, Just as supposed “objective morality”, hence, it is fake and gay

PARTIALLY, YES. THEY DEFINITIVELY DON'T COME FROM ANY ABRAHAMIC DOGMA SINCE MY KNOWLEDGE AND CRITICAL THINKING CAPABILITY ARE ABOVE OF ALL THAT NON-SENSE.

All of the shittiest people I know are leftists, regardless of religious affiliation. I don't think whether or not you believe in God is a factor of morality.

My whole thing is that if I only have to adhere to other men, whatever. Fuck people. But a God is slightly different. If something has the power to create a reality then I need to think a little bit.

Man is an animal and I have no respect for it in the atheist mindset that I've decided on. However; I try not to live life by that mindset because I know I won't give a fuck about slave or natural morality/rights. This is to say I don't disagree with it either. I just don't see a reason to give a fuck yet in the existence context.

subjective preferences =/= morality

Fascism

CHOP YOUR SON'S DICKS YOU IMMORAL FILTH!

A bullshit non answer.
You take empathy as a given, clearly defined concept, but it is not one by any means. What you would call acting out of empathy another might call acting out of naivety.
You don’t have to get your morals from God, but if you want to build a coherent non self-contradictory moral framework you will need to ground it in some sort of transcendent value.
Muh feels just doesn’t cut it, kid.

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obviously, which means nothing is inherently wrong and I can ignore whatever. I can be an animal and act on emotion without any real consequence. If death and nonexistence is the end then that means I have no obligations to help or work with anyone beyond what benefits me in the current reality.

Common sense? If you base your morality on blind belief, you are no better than muslims and other brainwashed sheep. Thank god the set of morals in your book appears to be a good one.

I DON'T KNOW, I DIDN'T GIVE IT MUCH THOUGHT, YOU MIGHT BE RIGHT. I'M SPEAKING FROM THE TOP OF MY HEAD RIGHT NOW.

from God,they probably just oppose because your an edgy faggot

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> I have full confidence that I can be judge and jury in matters pertaining to my own morality, and definitely won’t just keep an amalgamous blob of incoherent beliefs that I morph and stretch to fit my egotistical desires at any given moment as I go through my selfish, ruthless, self deluded pursuit of all that I want while claiming to be a good, moral person.
^an inside look at core NPC programming there anons

*you're

>Atheist

>morals

Pick one.

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T. PSYCHOPATH

the bible.

>Praise the Lord

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>They call it subjective, yet it’s still completely absent outside of the mind
You are apparently unclear on the meaning of the word 'subjective' as it relates to morals.

Our modern society could not function by the detestable immorality of the talmud, bible or koran. There are no moral conditions today that would make it ethical to sell our daughters into slavery as in Exodus 21/Tanakh 1917. What happened? Did the gods change their minds or did men change their subjective morals?

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Biological feelings..... But wait you dont feel what is right or wrong?!?!??

Religion is NPC programming, it's literally just executing a script
What you're descriping is exactly like Player behaviour.

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In an established society there is objective morality. You live in a country with objective morality. Fucking idiot.

You seem to be confusing law with morality.

HEHE

>My whole thing is that if I only have to adhere to other men, whatever. Fuck people.
In exchange for living in a community, society, state, nation etc. you voluntarily enter into a contract to adhere to the rules, laws and regulations. (This later becomes the basis for Rawl's Contractarianism)

Or you can go somewhere else. You like biblical/islamic law? The Middle East has a few countries where you might fit right in.

> If something has the power to create a reality
The only way you would believe that is if someone else who could not possibly know told you and you fell for it.

no I just misworded because I’m hammered.
>there are no moral condition
AT ALL BECAUSE THEY ARE SPOOKS
full stop
good point though

Ancient Christian teachings. Even if you're not Christian yourself, they've had so much influence on your society since long before you were born.

Everyone's morals comes from their feelings; all ethical theories are post-hoc rationalizations.

Never said anything about religion. And no, a player doesn’t go through life believing they’re controlling their own actions while they’re actually fully controlled by their whims and base desires.
A player restricts desires and urges, keep conscious control over them, and moves towards an objective with a transcendent value in mind.

>objective morality
oh yeah? can they point it out to me? or does it only exist in the headspace? because in that case...

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If OP doesn't make another post in this thread, where does he collect his $0.02 from?

i think I was saying that the aubjetice morality that people hold is actually just as fake, gay, and not real as claimed “objective” morality

This deserves a (you)

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Culture and history, IE the same place that you get yours.
God doesn't tell you personally how to behave morally, other people do.

You’re in all likelihood a bad person who lives in immoral self delusion.

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MASTER MORALITY > SLAVE MORALITY... (((christcucks)))

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>Everyone's morals comes from their feelings
Mine don't. My morals come from the Torah.

Morals weren't invented by God. They're upheld by God. Live your life as though God exists. That's all it takes.

All religions and religious texts were written by men in observation of the world around them. Therefore, morality can be determined without the aid of the supernatural. Sage.

WHAT'S A 'BAD PERSON'?

What objection do you have to cannibalism or torture?
Seriously - how do you establish qualitative differences between moral statements without arbitrariness?

It seems to be the case that you CAN'T - is that INCORRECT?

it can be chosen, because it is a preference. but you can’t run a truth test on it, so it cannot be determined

Kek NPCs don't like it when they have no virtue signaller

The unity of your people and race is dependent on an objective morality. I am not confusing morality with law.

So they come from dead Jew's feelings then

My harddrive silly

TELL ME CONCRETE EXAMPLES OF OBJECTIVE MORALITY

>All religions and religious texts were written by men in observation of the world around them
You can disprove the possibility of divine revelation?
If you can't, that's a worthlessly empty statement.

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CHECKED.

it’s dependent on them believing in an objective morality, not the actual existence of it (because objective morality is in fact impossible to prove)

God commands "thou shalt not steal".
If you steal, you're in contravention of God's command, which is the definition of immoral activity/sin.

No, they come from God.

You atheists make your morals up as you go along based on how you feel at any particular moment. You don't have any integrity.

WHAT'S WRONG WITH CAPS? LOL

>You can disprove the possibility of divine revelation?
You make the claim, you have the burden of proof. You first have to prove your gods exist, then you have to prove that these gods communicated the horrible immorality of the Abrahamic (and other) religions.

You always fail to do this, so there's nothing to disprove.

Morals don't come from God NPC-san.
Morals are a consequence of the bounds of reality.
God could tell you to defy morality and be in the wrong.

Universally Preferable Behavior by Stefan Molyneux

You literally made the claim
>All religions and religious texts were written by men in observation of the world around them