Would the abolishment of private property help end wealth inequality?

And where is the Inca Empire today?

Yes. We were born with certain inalienable rights bestowed upon us by our Creator. My brother and I lived different lives as a result of different choices we made. But we were both born with that same divine spark, that same reflection of God's image.

It gives slum dwellers something to aspire to. If they work hard enough they can move to the high rise next door.

people are also allotted similar lives. Some do well while others don't. Then those people have kids and pass down what they've earned or learned. Those kids also have similar lives, though, as they ultimately have the power to make plans, decide the person they wish to be, can shape the world around them, and are subject to the whims of luck. Therefore, some do well and others don't regardless of how they started.

This isn't difficult to understand. In a free society, the individual that takes the most responsibility wields the most power.

The people who say they want to abolish private property are always social engineered by conglomerates and their movements facilitate that exact scenario.

There will always be inequality because everyone is different and society will never be multi facited enough to value all kinds of people equally. Inequality arises from societies demand for certain kinds of people and the limited supply of those people.

Fair if you consider that much of the conservative electorate is also "socially engineered to be aversive to any social action, usually over the arguments of "muh freedom" and not being affordable by the economy.

IF THE PEOPLE FELT A NATIONAL-ETHNIC-CULTURAL QUASI-FAMILIAL CONNECTION WITH ONE ANOTHER THEN THEY WOULD CARE ABOUT EACTH OTHER. THE AMERICAN INDIVIDUALIST MODE PRECLUDES THAT

That's not social engineering, it's grass roots from normal people using their brains to realize that the United States can't support importing the entire third world and then giving them free healthcare, and those same endless waves of impoverished also being susceptible to consumerism and social engineering, wanting to literally rip the Constitution apart. Nice false equivalence though, you'll crack the social engineering one day hopefully.

>implying no Japan with kamikaze suicide rates from overwork and people having to retire to Thailand to afford it

Wonderful cultural unity you got there.

Grass roots my bumhole as it's easy to see who their contributers are and how much they pay.

Also nice appropriation of a popular liberal term

>import the entire third world
>and then give them free healthcare
Think about how retarded you are for a second.

What does that have to do with contributors? Immigrants can't vote.
I'll admit it contributes to a problem in the long run but it's disingenuous to believe conservatives are entirely or even significantly "grassroots".

>The Inca abolished virtually eliminated private property.
meme

what's wrong with the houses on the left? they look pretty cosy desu

They're probably less prone to thefts and break ins too.

Yes, but the problem is that people just wont give it up for a higher good.

Just prohibit people from holding onto land that they don't use unless they're able to develop it.

if you actually lived on the left you woudn't give a shit

people like to own shit you know

What it has to do with is that Democrats have a platform that is self-sabotoging and this only is happening due to social engineering that had zero anticipation of the future beyond being opportunistic and manipulating people.
I'd actually bet Republicans are significantly grassroots, the only ones who aren't are the Neocons. At least most Republicans know, just by channeling reality, that it's fucking retarded to attempt socialism without nationalism. Republicans don't operate top-to-bottom in their social engineering anywhere near the Democrats, the Republicans had to transform to cater to the transformation of their base and now the formerly garbage Fox News put someone like Tucker Carlson on to rant about open-borders and that monopolies need to be destroyed. Only oligarchs benefit from how the Democrats are trying to get everyone to commit suicide with themselves.

I don't know what world you live in but Republicans have for a while been driven by proven non grassroots movements such as the tea party. Also republican and neocon is pretty much synonymous.

Millions of citizens want their tax dollars to be spent on social services while corporate contributors could be considered to be tax dodgers with all their campaigning for tax cuts.

Not to mention the Koch brothers as well.

personal property ain't private property fucko.

If something isn't government property it's private property.
The only public property being sidewalks and parks which to are subject to municipal ordinance.

Private is not personal.

fuck off commie this is /his/ not /shitthatdoesn'twork/ :DD

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>non-communism
>accountable for the entirety of the world's homelessness and informal settlement
>works

>>accountable for the entirety of the world's homelessness and informal settlement

>Venezuela
>Cuba
>Somalia
>Zimbabwe
>Vietnam
>Maos China
>Soviet Russia

>If they work hard enough they can move to the high rise next door.
Inability to accumulate money because of Debt, getting loans, ability to invest large sums for a decent profit and conditions that constantly demands the use of your accumulated wealth/savings brings serious shortcomings to be able to leave poverty. More conditions like crime and ignorance, and connections keeps folk fucked.

Half of your post is completely irrelevant to anyone who isn't a burger, other nationalities aren't nearly as reliant on bank loans.

>for a while
>tea party
>republicans and neocons are synonymous
Stop living in 2008, you're the neocon now. You're the ones that want to bomb the Middle East, you're the ones that hate the underclasses and rally behind conglomerates, you're the ones with fraud leaders who lie to you and fear monger about a demographic. I don't agree with everything related to the Republicans but they do like social programs, just not your retarded ones. Compared to Republicans I absolutely think Democrats are trying to destroy the country just to consolidate the last bits of power they can hold onto and the profits for their oligarch backers.
Democrats want nothing more than to abolish the border and flood the country with impoverished because corporations are having trouble finding workers, so they started raising wages, paying off student loans, offering fucking LAND in one state, they offer a guaranteed paycheck upfront just for coming in. Your precious unlimited immigration will destroy any social program you claim you want in addition to cancelling out what I just listed off.

You fucking oligarch dicksucking disingenuous warmongering anti-nationalist anti-working class neocon Democrats should be hung from trees.

>Cuba
>Zimbabwe
>Maos China
>Soviet Russia

>homelessness and informal settlement

>Venezuela
>Somalia
>Modern Vietnam

>Communist

Sounds like the one who has been frauded by the Trump train is you my friend.

I'll give you that i've never seen favelas from cold war era Russia and China, but you are a fucking idiot if you think those don't exists in Cuba and Zimbabwe

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>Would the abolishment of private property help end wealth inequality?
Wealth inequality isn't an issue, scarcity is and if you want to increase the amount of scarcity (which will increase the amount of suffering) then abolishing private property is a great way of doing it.

>How is pic related morally okay?
IDK how is pic related morally okay?

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People have houses in Cuba, not quite the same as a bunch of shanties lumped together by migrants flocking for opportunities in the decadence of the city.

Yes, people have houses in Cuba, built by their own hands with whatever materials they happen to have available and with the quality that you'd expect from a building built on gut feeling. Literally the exact same shit as in OPs pic, except outside the city.

Also i'll assume by the way you refer to the city that you have no idea what you are talking about, favelas aren't built by migrants "flocking for opportunities in the decadence of the city." most of these are old as shit and built by people who've never lived outside the city they currently reside.

No not really, people are allotted housing but not aid for decorating it with garden gnomes.

Meanwhile the rest of the Caribbean is a destitute shithole with millions fleeing for America all the time.

To move up the social strata you need capital. How can you get enough capital besides a loan or crime when you are poor?

>old as shit
A hut or two built some 60 years ago is not tantamount to the enormous and continuing sprawl of the present.
To make matters worse these too have had a market develop.

Yes, people of some rank on the state get free houses, everyone else gets to fuck themselves. Especially outside the main cities.

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>abolishing private property is a great way of doing it.
Yeah and it happens when recalcitrant merchant guilds punish the country for doing so.

Have you ever heard of work?

>muh party officials only get anything
Keep dreaming shill cuck.

Do you want me to call up my fucking grandma? My cousin had to built his house with his own fucking hands and it took him years because brick was in super short supply everywhere.

So did they sleep under trees in the mean time. I won't trust the opinion of any duplicitous defector shills.

Meanwhile squatters in freedom countries can erect a dwelling in minutes and be charged and taxed and even bulldozed out to another crevice.

Prior to that they lived in a literal mudhut in the middle of the sugarcane field they worked.

> I won't trust the opinion of any duplicitous defector shills.

I know you won't, because you commietards are impossible to reason with and you will only listen to what you want to hear, everything else is CIA psy-ops to you. I wish the internet had been invented before the cuban revolution so you could get first hand reports of people still in the island, but of course you'd then cry "n-not real communism" like you do with Venezuela.

That never happens in any South American country, and i've never heard of that happening in Europe, the whole world isn't the US.

Lots of rich kids who inherited a fortune certainly have not.

True, that's why they're the spearhead of the new left.

Xd epic troll

That must be a joke, because the new left is too dull to have a spearhead.

>It's the lazy, it's the minorities, it's women, it's coddled middle class kids, it's the elites, it's the city dwellers.
Sounds like the 99% which is probably not true since proles can be their own worst enemy.

Have you ever worked In your life? Or lived on yourself? Tell me the amount of money you have with savings without the necessary startup Wich you got by growing up in a well of strata of Society retard.

Where is the British, Roman and Ottoman Empire today? Empires fall, and there fall was nothing to do with their understanding of property.

If you are an American middle class person you automatically qualify as a one-percenter in terms of wealth, European middle-class is probably not far behind.

Why is it okay that some people have more than others?

"There is no such thing as profits, only unpaid labor", People with capital, AKA business owners, steal workers surplus value.

Nah most people don't earn millions of dollars a year.

If I didn't spend money on stupid stuff I don't need i'd probably have a few thousand dollars saved up. People on favelas don't pay rent, don't pay taxes outside of the sale taxes on products they acquire (which in the third world many business don't pay anyway so you aren't even paying that), most countries offer free education (or hell, they will PAY YOU to study), and don't charge for healthcare.

The average middle class American earns about 30k a year, that makes them wealthier than 99% of the world.

>People on favelas don't pay rent, don't pay taxes
I can Brazilian homeowners probably complaining about this much. The trade off is avoiding the shitty existence.

Averages don't equal totals moran

My point is that these people have very few expenses, saving up shouldn't be too hard, but most of them don't. The people who do usually end up getting out and becoming part of the crowd that hates them.

I guess it's a good thing that in order to be officially classified as "middle class" you have to earn a certain amount of money.

30k is poor now, to be middle class now you have to earn 40,000+.
Six figure incomes aren't too unattainable though.

Fucking BASED

>People on favelas don't pay rent, don't pay taxes outside of the sale taxes on products they acquire
I would need a source on that then, why shouldnt they be giving rent or even be demanded compisation for their property by gangs even. Even in West Africa among the slums there is a form of rent enforced by gangs.

>most countries offer free education
third world countries? Please source then

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Some might pay tax. Perhaps it's more applicable to newcomers or inhabitants of more elaborate dwellings.
Probably dishonest to caricaturize all of them as a despotic territory with gangs extorting everyone.

Well it does look more symmetric than the cancerous tumour of the reality. And is ideal supposing it's being done fairly.

It would be yeah, the slums in Turkey are generally much more safe and peaceful then African or Brazilian. I'm generally confused in relation how property works why people aren't demanded to pay a rent as such practise is profitable and premoted by the system and the underground.

Why is it not okay? Should people be rewarded for being lazy and inadequate?

Someone, anyone please give me a single reason why I should bust my ass working for my entire life if I don’t see the benefits of it?

Some people are unsuccessful, yeah that fucking sucks. But others become wealthy not because they’re evil manipulators, they’re just good at what they do. Inequality will exist so long as god makes us unequal from birth.

>muh greater good, equal outcomes and other buzzwords

That's why you greedy cunt.

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When you give one good reason for hordes of empty condos complexes and extravagant decadent wealth which probably isn't even attained through hard work anyway.

It's not like people are asking for mansions for all either and neither should one aspire to drudging heavily to barely afford to live.

>Haha, if I just say a thing doesn't cause homelessness, it won't cause homelessness!

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I am not arguing against the irresponsible usage of wealth. I’m fully against people performing ridiculous flaunts of wealth, from billion dollar cars to empty (((investment properties))). What is not up for discussion is arbitrarily restricting the wealth of people who are simply better than those they compete with.

The person who studies harder, fights for better jobs, and works their asses off will end up with more money in pocket. Get over it.

Nobody is asking you to bust your ass. You are not doing anyone any favors but yourself. In fact it would be better if people DON'T work hard and retire early instead. Leave some opportunity for the rest of us you greedy fucks. Today we have a problem with fucking 70 year olds hogging good professional positions way past retirement age which leaves young professionals without those jobs. It would be better if they retired. They are not doing anyone any favors.

The only reason you lolbertarian liberals are rich is because your ancestors revolted and fought others for their property. Western societies did not get rich by respecting property rights.

Well welfare just exists to provide basic housing and needs as well. It's not like you're personally being driven into poverty and unable to live prosperously because a mean old tyrant named Winona Jackson is squeezing the life out of you so she can live lavishly.

No because it doesn't appear there will even be retirement available in the future and it often isn't enough to live on.
People are having to drudge more than 40 hours a week because of high housing costs that only continue to rise.

That's a lie to justify violating people's rights. Most wealth is attributable to industry and technology, whatever miniscule proportion is due to some long gone injustice is a minor injustice at best. It is hypocritical that you obsess with this 0.1% "undeserved privilege" rather than orphans and homeless people and shit, you people are not as morally righteous as you seem to think you are.

You only think certain people deserve more because of the capitalist system we live in. It's not written in stone or natural law that some people deserve more than others, that's just the idea that is currently popular.

i can't even imagine it if you look at that and you just say abolish property its too silly there is a way with way less sacrifice probably

In communism the whole world would look like the left side of that picture.