Some job killer

Because I make more than the minimum wage and if the minimum wage goes up my relative wealth goes down. It's great for the poor people, but it hurts me; why should I support something that hurts me?

TAXES AND MINIMUM WAGE ARE THEFT, ELIMINATE THE WEAK AND FORGE THE NEW REICH

WHY DO YOU HATE BEING PARASATIZED ARE YOU A BIGOTTI BISCOTTI

Imagine this, but without the trump economy.

A better assessment would be to compare these numbers to a similar sized city that doesn't have the 15$/h minimum wage law.

>shows 30 year chart for something that is hardly 2 years old
That reeks of manipulation

>listening to economists
kys, retard
Sage

Fiat is the problem. Basing money on confidence and just printing pieces of paper will mean your hard earned money loses its value over time and prices of everything else increases.

All this minimum wage argument means nothing unless we also take the monetary system into account.

If we can just find a way to keep Inflation down...

Sure raise it, more talentless people on welfare.

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>Raise minimum wage
>Homeless junkies flood low skill service jobs
See its working guys?

Why not $30?

>causation is not correlation

can't find anything positive about this looks like you are lying to push an agenda.

Oy vey, what do you need $15 an hour for?

So that people like me who don't give a fuck can get a decent paying job where I do very little

because i just got a job that pays 23/hr and I had to work my ass off to get it. spent my early mid 20's making less than 14.

14 an hour isn't bad as it is, user

There is a cascading effect to this- minimum wage increases, your wage too increases if your managers have any common sense.

He should post something other than waiter jobs. I’m sure waiters in Seattle already made $15/hr if they worked somewhere decent.

>if the minimum wage goes up my relative wealth goes down
The minimum wage hasn’t kept up with inflation, just because other people now have as much wealth as you it doesn’t decrease your wealth, as proven by the article in the OP. You can still afford just as many Pokémon cards today as you could yesterday.

It'd be hard to tell you.
It requires you to think more than a year ahead.

Tragically, you're the kind of person who will be saying, "How could this happen" when all the businesses in Seattle either leave or automate.

Don't they still have three more years until every company is paying $15/hour?
Most are still exempt if they have less than 500 employees.

>economy gets better
>better economy results in more employed
>more employed people means more people going out to eat
>"rising minimum wage created jobs!!!11!

>The minimum wage hasn’t kept up with inflation,
That doesnt disprove his point, it only makes it even more poignant. Wages in general havent kept up, artificially increasing the minimum would only exacerbate things.

Why did they show that chart starting from 1990? Do they think we are too dumb to see the drop off right at the end?

When I was in Europe, I noticed that restaurants have very few people working compared to the US, and those people work their ass off compared to here.

You cannot change reality. Higher costs mean less employed, less employed means that companies will pick the better workers. When you can get only 2 for the price of 3, they’re going to get rid of the worst one.

>talking sense
Understand you’re dealing with a bunch of retarded Keynesians here. They would love a minimum wage increase and the resulting inflation. Sure puts people in a higher tax bracket while still at the same living standard as before Due to inflation

>Y axis in dollars, not employment numbers
What is this graph, even?

Back in the day you didn't have to pay insane cellphone bills and stick to multiple plans. Back then you didn't have to pay for internet either, and hell, many didn't even pay for cable.

This is the creature that runs boingboing. Why would anyone put any faith in anything they post?

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Wages for the wealthy certainly have kept up. In fact they’ve sky rocketed. It’s not “artificially inflating” if you’re bringing wages up to where they should have been all along. They’ve been artificially devalued for decades

>Tell me again why raising the minimum wage is a bad idea
Tell me why its a good idea

Somehow works in Europe.

Why not $300?

>when my brother is picking up high school girls because his welfare pays better than their own fulltime job

>Schedule 1 employers (more than 500 employees in the U.S.)
>$15.00 by January 1, 2017

>Schedule 1 employers (more than 500 employees in the U.S.) with medical benefits
>$15.00 by January 1, 2018

>Schedule 2 employers (500 or fewer employees in the U.S.)
>$15.00 by January 1, 2021

>Schedule 2 employers (500 or fewer employees in the U.S.) with minimum compensation
>Schedule 2 employers can meet the applicable hourly minimum compensation requirement through wages (including applicable commissions, piece-rate, and bonuses), tips, and money paid by an employer towards an individual employee’s medical benefits plan provided that the Schedule 2 employer also meets the applicable hourly minimum wage requirements.
>$15.00 by January 1, 2019

>Effective January 1, 2025, minimum compensation will no longer be applicable.

murray.seattle.gov/minimumwage/

No one ever goes to the original source.

>Making $28k/year isn't bad

I have low standards and live in a cheap area but come on user

30% of the population of that graph isn't even in Seattle.

How are taxes? I know some go up to 50% of wages.
Looks like the UK is 20% for $11K to $45K
Seems ever more for every other country

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_rates_in_Europe

>food service and drinking place employment

Don't restaurants have exemption from paying minimum wage in the first place?

Its impossible to raise minimum wage properly when there is an ever increasing amount of illegal labor that will simply undercut that minimum wage.

If you want minimum wage increases you should support a strong border and a strong immigration policy.

Man those rates are ridiculous. I can understand accepting taxes that high if your government actually cares about you, but I sincerely doubt that ANY government is capable of caring about their people that much. The allure of personal wealth through public wages is too strong for any altruism to shine through.

wages haven't matched inflation in 30 years, and immigration has been declining for the past 5 years at least. You can kick out immigrants, but that alone will not solve the problem at all

>can't survive on $28k/year
You're not going to make it

Higher minimum wage is just a way to increase tax rates without actually raising tax rates.

SHUT
IT
DOWN

>when there is an ever increasing amount of illegal labor that will simply undercut that minimum wage
Counter point: Or we just enforce the minimum wage laws and everybody gets paid. We should also have a federal jobs guarantee to ensure all our citizens will always have an alternative employment opportunity to fall back on. This creates wage competition with the private sector and drives over all wages up and improves the quality of job candidate.

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Raising the minimum wage doesn't take anything away from you. Henry Ford tripled wages and still made more money.

>immigration has been declining for the past 5 years at least

That would only matter if 30+ million illegals are leaving as well.
But yeah, at this point, I say fuck it, open the flood gates to everyone. Educate them, pay their tuition, offer jobs, offer housing, and let them compete with the altruistic Liberals. Maybe H-1B visas aren't that bad now.

Wage stopped matching inflation around the time of the immigration act in the 60s. The correlation is obvious, and the logic is sound.

A legal minimum wage does not work when illegal labor is used by everyone in the economy. People try to find such complex reasons as to why wages and inflation are decoupled when the answer is staring them in the face and yapping away in backwater spanish.

Did car prices increase?

How are you going to enforce minimum wage laws on illegal laborers? Why not just enforce immigration laws in the first place? You can't fix minimum wage while illegal labor is so readily available in the US.

Because in the US there is such thing as property tax which is calculated using estimated price of a house, raising minimum wage increases house valuation thus increasing property tax. Damn, retards doesn't even know how tax system in the US works.

>supporting an artificial public sector for anyone to join at the expense of taxes
What ? The public jobs we already support are failing money sinks as it is. Our teachers our shit and any public service worker are bottom tier and act like you’re wasting their time.
>improves quality of the job candidate
What ? Have you seen anyone who works a public job? Those are literally the worst of the worst. Jobs with high wages attract quality job candidates because they’re usually difficult to achieve or require skills. Just creating An artificial floor paid for by the tax payer.

I live in seattle. Small businesses are closing and franchises are growing. Bars continue to do well because Seattle has a drinking problem.

Corporatism at it's finest. So strange how corporatism is so much more rampant in the liberal west coast.

Seattle minimum wage is not at $15 yet this is literally fake news

You're a progressive hellhole who wouldn't drink.

>Tell me again why raising the minimum wage is a bad idea
Different regions have different living costs. Salary should reflect that.

No one will address this.

conservatards BTFO

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>wages for the lowest class stagnate
>wages for everyone else remains fine
Wow it's almost like all of the illegal labor is competing with the lower class, driving wages to the floor. And since they are illegal laborers paid in cash it is impossible to enforce minimum wage laws on them.

Really makes me think.

The reason illegal labor is able to exist at all is because of our backwards immigration laws. If employers couldn’t hang the threat of deportation over people’s heads they’d be able to demand the same wages as everyone else. And people say “well they should have just come here legally then! I’m not racist, but the law is the law blah blah blah” It’s effectively impossible for 99% of immigrants to enter legally so the laws need to be changed. By making immigration effectively illegal it’s directly causing the undercutting if wages in certain job sectors.

Yeah, instead of addressing that they'll attack the symptom, like raising the min wage.

>How are you going to enforce minimum wage laws on illegal laborers?
go after the companies that hire them. Most farms and restaurants are not family-owned like in the past, they're owned by mega corporations. There is no reason why you can't enforce fair wages and immigration law at the same time, it would fix the problem much faster than doing it one at a time

>20 year employment scale to demonstrate a policy enacted in 2017

Lying bullshit, the employment base grows IN SPITE of increased costs doesn’t prove that the minimu wage standard creates employment

enjoy

BREAKING DEMOJEWS TRYING TO HACK THE ELECTION

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The left doesn’t love the poor, they only hate the rich

i dont care if a bunch of retarded mcdonalds and starbucks employees want more money they aren't worth a fuck and are going to undermine our economy, get a real fucking job with real responsibility you loser. you earn a wage, you aren't entitled to it.

let me guess, DJT isn't her president.....

Who are the enforcers, and who manages them? Oh it's a politician is it? Would be a shame if they got a fat check in the mail to look away at certain offenses.

Congratulations, now large companies can still use illegal labor, but small companies now have to not only pay an increasing minimum wage, but also compete with these large corporations who abuse loopholes to keep using illegal labor. The rich get richer, and our country continues its charge to a corporatistic hell hole.

Or do you not know how many corporate offices and warehouses are in Arizona? What does Arizona have a large quantity of?

The point is that if you concentrate on wage laws while ignoring immigration laws (which is what the Democrats want), nothing will change except even more power being given to corporations and other rich people who have the power to bribe.
Immigration MUST be solved first. Labor laws come after you deal with the workers who are beyond the reach of the law. There will always be cash based labor in the US. The only thing you can do to prevent a clash between cash based labor and labor laws is to make sure the quantity of cash-based jobs and laborers remains at a low level.

why are you so cynical user. If you're just going to say "well what if all the politicians get bribed into looking the other way" whats the point in having any political opinion? That argument could be used to disqualify any law in existence, including immigration laws

>boing boing

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Seattle's minimum wage increase worked out so bad that the entire state decided to emulate it two years later. Fast forward to now and Seattle has recently been named the hottest economy in the country, with the state being #1 or #2 depending on the source referenced.

The study showed paying them more was actually GOOD for the economy. So, there’s that

Are you trying to say corruption doesn't exist? Creating laws and policies in a corruption-free vacuum does absolutely nothing for a society where corruption is alive and well.
It's not cynical to want our laws and policies to be aware of the potential for corruption, and to be tailored in such a way to minimize exploitation of the law.

If we were to do everything your way America will be doomed to a future controlled by corporations bribing public employees. What makes it even worse is their potential profit goes up the more public servants they have on payroll, meaning they can bribe even more people.

So no, it isn't cynical to assume corruption will happen when you create laws. In fact the alternative is incredibly naive and is tantamount to how a child views the world.

I know someone who has a small café in seattle. The people who show up for the jobs absolutely suck. Mexicans don't work at these places because it's too far to drive and there is nowhere they can live nearby that has street parking for all 6 of their household vehicles.

Why not have campaign finance reform then? Something I rarely see addressed here, would solve a lot of issues.

Why do you feel inclined to be more wealthy than someone else?

>but my studies say...
Studies brought to you by Corporate America. Jesus you people are so easy to manipulate it is no wonder why our country is on the path it is.

>It's great for the poor people

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This is the start of automation, it will move to thing like dentistry, medicine, you name it. There won’t be a job a computer can’t do better.

It was the only thing you could have done, you aren’t special for working hard to get that job, in fact it might be easy for someone else to get that job

There's no way in hell I'll ever have a robot anywhere near my mouth or teeth.

>Why do you feel inclined to be more wealthy than someone else?
Canada, ladies and gentlemen

No cause when workers get more money they can spend more which means more cars being sold. Increase in supply and demand means lower prices. Cars only became more available since that time.

The left continues to complain about falling wages but demands the importation of unregulated masses of illegal unskilled workers whose only economic effect is to depress wages.

Open borders or affordable housing - your choice

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Rekt

I call bullshit. I've noticed an increase of people driving from far away to work in Seattle. If anything, the unintended negative affect of raising the minimum wage is probably traffic/environmental.

The studies I read about it were independently done by UW, and others from the city and state. The data is there for anyone to check, and people did hard.

>if other people make more money somehow i make less money

you will never make good money user, you're clearly a fucking retard. stick to mowing lawns or flipping burgers or whatever it is you do