I don't get it. Do liberals and leftists actually want Communism? Like haven't they seen Cuba and China and Russia...

None of those countries have achieved communism. They were socialist and rules by communist parties, but they never were communist.

>inb4 How was it not real Communism you libtard cuck? Muh "not real communism/socialism" meme
None of those countries have abolished money and the state, which are the core ideas of communism.
There mightve been common ownership, but since there was still a state and money, it wasnt communism.

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>Do liberals and leftists actually want Communism?
Jow Forums is a Russian propaganda site. You're supposed to believe libs are somehow less than human and all kinds of other lies about them so you irrationally hate them. The goal is to demoralize and destabilize America/the West with Kremlin disinformation campaigns.

time.com/5155810/russian-meddling-2018-elections/

When Liberals larp about Cuba, they larp about Havana. I’ve been to Havana. It’s like a stage set where movies are filmed. The government only allows you to wander off so far. The rest of Cuba is an Africa tier third-world country.

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Liberals and communists have virtually nothing in common. They're mortal enemies. A lot of leftists want communism, though if you press them about the specifics they argue that China, for example, is a state capitalist system (i.e., the state owns all the capital) while they're arguing for a classless society of worker-owned businesses.

Maybe if you presented an option other than backing literal neo-nazis, less people would go left

You know, just a thought

They want stuff for free including cushy jobs. Nobody will actually do the farming work so people will starve

I haven't seen anyone push communism, just need to put some greater controls on rampant capitalism. Most are too brainwashed into sucking corporate oligarch cock to understand this would be a good thing.

They're in metaphysical revolt. They hate God, they hate reality, they hate everything that requires them to get over themselves.

Of course they want the comforts of a market economy. But they want to vent their hatred even more!

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You’re naive as hell to believe that. Americans visit the communist Zapatistas in Mexico every year. It’s a big commie tourist attraction.

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None of those are even communist, ffs they're openly capitalist

>haven't they seen Cuba and China and Russia?
REEEE! REEEE! THAT'S NOT REAL COMMUNISM! REEEE!

There is a reason organizations based in the USA want the Central Americas and Indio Mexicans to immigrate here. They BTFO the Mexican government and the entire state of Chiapas is basically an autonomous communist state. Organizations like Pueblos Sin Fronteras are bringing communist spics to our country.

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It's literally not

My husband and I are conservative. He was deployed twice under Obama, and is now 100% disabled. We have 4 kids that I homeschool.

My husband got his masters at a Liberal University. He still voted Cruz (&Trump in 2016), but reads stuff from his liberal classmates every day.

Lately he has been talking more and more about China, and how their system of communism is actually working, and they might actually be able to use communism to create a pure utopia.

I'm worried.

I pointed out that, since the China government controls the media, we obviously are only going to hear positive talking points from them.

(&since our government is fubar'd we won't hear real truth from them either.)

I pointed out how the policies that we DO know about only help the "hive mind"...what happens to the individuals. free thinkers, and those unlucky enough to, "fall through the cracks"?

During the Beijing Olympics we heard about the people brave enough to protest, who weren't there the next day. The desenters who were imprisoned. The Chinese girls who swept the gymnastics medals then later were found to be underage & ineligible (after stealing the medals from the US team).

Right now we have amicable conversations, but he is turning more pro-communism every day.

liberals dont
leftists do

Democrats are not communists and never have been and never will be

>Do liberals and leftists actually want Communism

Yes, see everywhere else in the world. They seek incentives until it collapses. It's an evolutionary strategy.

They want free stuff and to not have to work. They think that by taking from those who have there will be more than enough to go around. They have no concept of the damage that causes to the economy and those who actually work and make things. Politically speaking your choices are Republicans (work hard and take care of yourself party) or Democrat (Do nothing and steal from someone else party).

Communism will take over the US. You’re seeing DSA politicians get elected now, and the type of spics that are coming here are pro-communist. Pic related is California’s fate.

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No they don't know what any of it means in application... It's all a LARP to them because they, ironically enough, do exactly what "the man" wants all while being completely convinced they are freedom fighters, good guys, and liberators.
When in reality they are useful idiots..

Communism is the natural state of women and homosexual men

>Everything must “be fair”
>Everyone must agree 100% even if something is clearly retarded
>Everyone shares everything
>Everyone has pointless meetings where they wank themselves as a group instead of DOING what they’re here to do

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They actually believe that they would be, like, important party officials and proud Red Army officers instead of mining coal in gulag.

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Hm. The only option is for you to divorce your husband and marry me instead

china isnt socialist

why the fuck would a socialist country let its citizens get enslaved by sweatshops?

Yes, because they don't do any research beyond the superficial claims communism makes about fixing society. They will also find scapegoats for all failings of communism. Because it really wasn't REAL communism that time.

Leftist basedboys aren’t going to do the heavy lifting. Why do you think they are importing Central Americans?

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call them what they are: jews

t. the guy who can't even make his own pots and pans

>natural state
>fights nature at every turn

Clearly they haven't read their Marcus Aurelius

I also pointed out that China doesn't practice "real" communism, after the country realized it didn't work...&switched to a Communist/capitalist society. ....but apparently that just pushed him more into the communist camp because I helped him reroute the "real communism has never been tried" meme.

:(

the irony of this post coming from an american claiming to be an authority on what socialism is

meanwhile in his country he screams and cries at the government when they try to fund public education because in his cold war propagandized mind any taxes and government spending is communism

theres a reason we live in a dysfunctional world where countries sometimes collapse out of stupidity

>Do liberals
No, thats why they are liberals, liberals want capitalism, but realize you need a welfare state to keep the lower classes from overthrowing it, because capitalism inherently sucks for everyone who isnt a capitalist. They are the exact opposite of communist, they realize capitalism is wrong but want to keep doing it.

The USSR was a great place, cuba was under US blockade of course it was a shithole. North korea is another fine example of successful socialism in action, but you wont realize it because you just keep watchin 1990s famin footage on replay narrated by the CIA and dont realize while you sit here thinking they are a bunch of starving farmers they are building a cybernetics program and gaining a new industrial factory every weak.

no its just what happens every time you try to apply communism to the real world

memeflag post
didn't read lol

>china isnt socialist

More than half of its economy is under the direct control of the State, the other half under indirect control

>why the fuck would a socialist country let its citizens get enslaved by sweatshops?

Same reason the USSR enslaved its citizens and worked them to death to build canals and railroads -- because the only real principle of leftism is attaining and consolidating power over the people. All the pretty platitudes are just window-dressing to conceal that fact

Equality of opportunity requires equality of conditon. Liberalism requires communism in order to be coherent.

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Nigger, the difference is DPRK is racially homogeneous. No hordes of spics there.

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Education funding in the US has consistently risen over the past few decades while actual standards are falling

It's not nearly as complicated as you think. The vast majority of liberals fall into two categories. Those who don't want to work, so they vote socialist for gibs, and those who want the rest of the world to know how great they are, virtue signalers, or to a lesser extent people who grew up on Jewish programming and see it as 'Good things'.

This is the vast majority of the political left, which is why the need to be put to the sword before they destroy the world.

thats a lot of hot opinions with no evidence to support your claims

China is a capitalist country.

An efficient one.

>what is inflation

>capitalism inherently sucks for everyone who isnt a capitalist

That must explain all those people defecting from South to North Korea, or who fled eastwards over the Berlin Wall to East Germany. The whole reason you're even here damning capitalism is because capitalism brought you the computer and the leisure time to do so

After executing tens of millions of people.

They just want you to suffer, and don't seem to care that they cut their own nose if it spites your face.

Let's face it lads, we're all a bit antisocial here. Many of us harbour grudges against society. Yet we lack the bloody mindedness to actiely blame that broken society for own laziness (mostly). We are more than capable of wearing our faults like an ironic mask of pride, even. The Left however appear to perceive themselves as perfect, and that self same broken society is directly to blame for their fuck ups. Hence the total lack of personal accountability being the hallmark of SJWs, for example.

They look at Cuba, Venezuela etc and only see your equivalent getting fucked over. There is no further motivation to try to bring it about locally. The truth is, we'd adapt and become the commissars, not them. Assuming we didn't die of bullets or lack of food in the interim period.

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>slavery is efficient at creating prosperity
explain the american south

Press like to help Jesus beat Hillary, you lazy nigger.

Checked and good analysis. Have a (you).

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In a way, and in a word, yes. I have a friend who thinks of himself as a Progressive Democrat, and he votes Green Party candidates. Very bright guy, but does not have a fucking clue as to how the world really works and is. I think he'd go for some Socialist Democrat candidates in the U.S. if they were up against Big Bad Meannie Men Republicans.

As far as the history of socialism/communism goes, I think he thinks it wouldn't happen here in the USA.

>realized it didn't work
no, the people in charge realized they could live in luxury if they took bribes from international bankers.

Its ok though, they have backed themselves into a corner. The only reason the chinese communist party stays in power is its the chinese communist party, and so they must spread communist propoganda to retain legitimacy, but this is backfiring on them because a lot of the chinese workers in the ever worsening capitalist dystopia of modern china are starting to do real communism, the chinese communist party will be overthrown by the communists it created to stay in power. Maybe it will work out in the end.

No. I'm here to laugh at American goyim and their tears.

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For all the faults of Marxists, why is it only they who understand what liberalism is? I cannot for the life of me grasp why anyone would call, for instance, "Antifa" liberal.

Before communism
Cuba was a corrupt dictatorship
China was a dirt poor country run by warlords
Russia was operating under serfdom

Unironically, the people all of these countries probably did better under communism than their previous systems.
That doesn't mean communism is a good system, it just means it's slightly better for the people than being a slave or being in a civil war.

>the USSR enslaved its citizens and worked them to death to build canals and railroads
Prisoners and undesireables did that work. That's what the Gulags were for, remote work camps for railroads and infrastructure.

>China is a capitalist country.

China is a Communist country using some capitalism as a temporary measure to industrialize the country in accordance with the precepts of orthodox Marxism; its commissars claim that the "mistakes" (i.e. 40 million dead) of the Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution were due to trying to rush Communism onto an agrarian economy, and that full Communism can only be (and will be) implemented upon an industrial society

>why the fuck would a socialist country let its citizens get enslaved by sweatshops?
To wreck the working class of their foreign enemies of course. Everything China has done re:sweatshops is in response to the Thai Bhart debacle. And the scary thing about the chinks is that they not only hold grudges but that they plan ahead fifty years to get even. They used their cheap outsourced labour pool as a silent weapon, stirring up massive social unrest in the West without having to fire a bullet or spread a single line of propaganda. They turned Consumerism's beating heart (lower prices) against Consumerism.

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>>what is inflation

I am talking about rises in spending that far outstrip the inflation rate

They are kidnapped and held against their will. The ones who you hear are the few who sucumb to the brainwashing/payoffs.
watch this documentary with interviews of north koreans held against their will in south korea
youtube.com/watch?v=ktE_3PrJZO0

She's cute

Cuba, Russia and China are socially conservative ethnostates so maybe. (Russia does have Asian minorities but they live in their own racial enclaves)

is that elon musk?

Kikes promote communism because it is internationalism, nationalism is the death of a Jew

Liberals and Leftists believe they will be IN CHARGE of the Communism, and therefore they will IMPROVE their current living situation. They will become LORDS and get to boss other people around. They don't realize that their dumb asses will suffer at least as much as the rural rednecks and the suburban conservatives, if not more. Traditionally speaking, communists kill off all the leftists first, because those bastards are just trouble for any form of government.

>China was a dirt poor country run by warlords
It then became a dirty poor country ran by a warlord. When said warlord died and they reversed some of it's more retarded socialism policies and decided to roll back some capitalism into it, then the country started to improve.
>Russia was operating under serfdom
Explain to me how Communism isn't just Alt Serfdom.
>Cuba was a corrupt dictatorship
Explain to me how Cuba isn't a corrupt dictatorship under communism.

The problem I see, is that the leftists and ,yes, left leaning liberals is that they only want to solve problems that they percieve, create, or conjure with more taxes, laws, and authoritarian control. Take a noble idea even, but only try to solve it uncreatively with more taxes to pay for more bureaucracy that rarely (mostly never) achieves it's goal. The money the willing hearted voters think is going to solve the problem instead goes into a black hole than to the needy. They don't trust society or the free-market ideal to do it's work. Meanwhile they do everything in their power to erode the pillars of society. The very common ideals that hold us together and have a track record of success are scrutinized by Critical Theory Marxism relentlessly. They advocate for abandonment of these values in favor of govermental control.
With or without intent, their advocacy pulls our countries toward communism.

>why the fuck would a socialist country let its citizens get enslaved by sweatshops?
I know an Hungaryan woman who worked in a soviet sweatshop during the early 80's, making Levi's jeans for the american consumer.
IKEA used to have their product manifactured by political prisoners in the DDR
China isn't a wellfare state. It's basically a natsoc state without social security. Maoist china is dead a long time ago

>tens of millions
Not even Russia "executed" that many, idiot. Read a book.

It's not anyone's fault the guy making pots and pans is a low IQ idiot that can't figure out how to get ahead like the rest of us can.

Under communism, he wouldn't be better off. He'd just be forever making pots and pans. Never aspiring to more.

Because in the end, some people are meant to be slaves, and can never amount to anything more. They know this, and envy anyone else who managed to do well for themselves.

Communism is literally the reason why abolishing serfdom was a mistake in Russia. All they needed to do was up the quality of life a bit, and let the smart ones opt out for a different life.

stalin industrialized just fine with out becoming a hyper capitalist dystopia and abandoning any pretext of public well being. In china you have exclusive night clubs with the children of billionaires in it directly across the street from homeless shanty towns.

If this retarded 'we will be socialist by 2050, honest :^)' meme is true, then the party has to be intending to directly kill these people to make that rapid a transition, and its not like those billionairs would be too stupid to see it coming. Its not going to happen, china was lost the moment it broke ties with albania. Only a revolution can save it now.

>Cuba was a corrupt dictatorship

It's still that today, but now they can die trying to escape and the streets are full of 1950s cars because economic development has screeched to a halt

>China was a dirt poor country run by warlords

Wait, I thought China was "not really Communist" now? But at any rate the death toll under Mao (47 million) is a world record

>Russia was operating under serfdom

Serfdom was abolished in the 1850s. Under Stolypin Russia was going from strength to strength -- then came the Bolsheviks and the Rd Terror, Great Famine, Stalin's purges, Gulags, etc. etc. Far worse than before

>Prisoners and undesireables did that work

Many of whom were mere political dissidents, who had rightly pointed out the level of impoverishment and repression of the system. But even common criminals don't deserve to be worked to death

what the fuck is this China is Communist meme even? they're like a totalitarianism if anything

>mfw none of your niggers care about EZLN taking over California
Why are we arguing revisionist history? Let’s talk the fucking present.

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This is such a Jewish talking point. While it remains objectively true there is no way too see where they would be if they never turned. I'm sure they would have developed just as well if not better if it didn't take root. The only difference was that the ruling class changed. They would have progressed just as every other nation during the industrial revolution.

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You’re so fucking stupid son. Instead of coming back to your treehouse and asking why the bad people are bad, maybe you should read a fucking book or something. Or approach those people and ask them.

Wrong. They don't care. They think they will be sitting with Daddy Lenin, as one of the important circle, living life as a Lord of Humanity, and dictating to others how they should live.
It's not that communists ignore all past communisms, its that they want to be part of the inner circle, and don't care how many billions of their fellow humans must die for that to happen.

A North Korean documentary is hardly an impartial source; if these defectors are prisoners, how can they talk on camera? If they aren't prisoners, why don't they return home? But at any rate there are plenty of defectors who talk about the hardships of the North

>Communists/socialists want to live of stealing other people's work.
This is what every capitalist is doing. You accuse your enemy of doing what you are doing. Socialists wants everyone to enjoy the full profits of their labor, instead of getting some stolen by capitalists.

>Under communism, he wouldn't be better off. He'd just be forever making pots and pans
If he is suited to make pots and pans he would indeed continue making pots and pans under communism, only he would only do it 4 hours a day and never have to worry about food or shelter.

You gotta understand that the driving force of leftism is not actually to create the mythical communist utopia.

No, the actual goal of leftism is to destroy anyone who is successful and bring all of society down into the dirt with them.

Its primary purpose is destruction, and communism is a great way to destroy any nation.

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Yeah it’s an abject hatred of reality

You have to understand that if they saw the truth about Collectivism they would be against it. They truly believe that rich people have enough to pay for their utopia and that despite the fact that these systems centralize power and resources to such a total degree, they believe no one would/could exploit the workers to get what they wanted. It's so fabulously naive that I almost feel sorry for the people who take it seriously.

Many of them also weren't even political dissidents. Look what Stalin did to the Harbin Russians. Encouraged them to take Russian citizenship, many of them were patriotic and chose to support Russia, despite the ability to be able to seek refugee status in the west if they had chosen Chinese status.

To some extent fantasies about Communism are a kind of "revenge of the nerds" delusion ("in a socialist economy my degree in lesbian German cinema will be valued, not mocked!!") But there are lots of Communists who are not deluded, who know that it brings hunger, repression, and slavery, but who are actively looking forward to these things because they are sadists and want to fully dominate other human beings

Liberals don't want communism, dummy.

>haven't they seen Cuba and China and Russia?
No. Most haven't actually.