Hello Jow Forumsacks, I am here to take a poll on and to discuss the different elements of the alt-right/new right. I can distinguish a few closely linked movements within the new right that are united now in their opposition to the prevailing order, but differ in their suggested replacement.
All of them agree that mass immigration is fatal to the nations they desire, and most of them have at least some element of cultural conservatism. The most mainstream is the Civnat/pragmatic side that is more concerned with 'culture' than race, but still values the ethnic balance of a nation. The more radical side is split between those wanting to restore white Christianity-based nations, and those who want to return to pre-Christianity views or to explore new religious developments. There are also those who are irreligious or socially liberal who desire racially white nations and may or may not be progressives outside of race and identity. I included that option even though most racial nationalists emphasize tradition over progress.
So which side do you most support? And which do you think will become dominant as more white people become racially conscious?
You can argue whether or not Christianity is fundamentally against white nationalism, but the fact is that a large segment of the right that is white nationalist also are Christian moralists at least in the ideal. Europe had Christianity and monarchs for a millennium and only started becoming non-white when secularism began to rise.
oh look, this place is full of nazi idiots. Who woulda ever guessed that?
You people are the reason for humanity being held back from its potential. And will probably be the reason that humanity fails to ever get off this rock.
Always know in your hearts, you are the bad in this world. In this reality that we know. You are the bad.
Benjamin Anderson
Are you the guy from /wsr/?
Michael Ortiz
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Jacob Sanders
What if I just want the constitution to be followed and not have the demographics of the country forced out of control?
Josiah Lopez
So add in a socially conservative economic leftist option?
Mason Richardson
You realize that all political movements need data don't you? Republicans poll battleground states and even likely red states because they need information. To suggest otherwise is retarded.
>What if I just want the constitution to be followed and not have the demographics of the country forced out of control? Civic nationalist.
Brandon Brooks
"christian morals" don't exist. catholics are fundamentally different from protestants, and you also have other flavors. Stupid poll.
Nicholas Hall
I'm genuinely curious if you're the /wsr/ guy. I liked that guy.
Lincoln Peterson
I don't see civnats representing my interests, though. They seem to be making up excuses for unbridled progressivism and global communism and Jewish Supremicy and slavery to the zionist terrorist illegal genocidal construction that calls itself Israel.
Ethan Lee
>"christian morals" don't exist You know that's untrue whether or not it is convenient to say otherwise.
Cooper Sanchez
What a moron you are. You're literally placing Christian in a subcategory of white nationalism, not knowing that anybody who is both a white nationalist and Christian would prioritize Christianity over white nationalism.
Matthew Rivera
No, who is he? I'm a regular here but don't usually do polls, I am just curious on the split.
>I don't see civnats representing my interests, though. They seem to be making up excuses for unbridled progressivism and global communism and Jewish Supremicy and slavery to the zionist terrorist illegal genocidal construction that calls itself Israel. Pragmatic nationalist? Even if the more normie civnats are just less liberal liberals. I would categorize the most vocal and right wing "classical liberal" personalities ie Sargon as being on the fence of being part of the new right.
Josiah Nelson
I'm making a poll not making autistic judgments about trivial details. Christian white nationalists are leading in the poll at the moment.
Gabriel Taylor
except that christianity does not have a monopoly on the values it represents. these values and morals existed way before christianity (also in europe) so calling them christian morals is misleading.
Levi Wood
None of this shit i'm a pure ETHNAT
Nathaniel Hughes
Hmm. I'm completely unfamiliar with Sargon and hesitate to try to identify with anything that would be called "new" right because I don't keep up with e-drama and I'm not sure I was part of the "old" right in the first place.
Of the available options, I think I'd have to fall in with the Christian white nationalists, but that's a redundant description to my way of thinking, because Western civilization is fundamentally white, Christian, and to do with the modern nation-state. You can't really remove those things from it without changing it in to something else.
Ryder Lewis
>except that christianity does not have a monopoly on the values it represents Most of what you refer to could fall under radical traditionalism, no?
Brody Taylor
Voted for Obama in hopes of ending stupid wars.
Got told I was racist.
Now I want 1488, and to gas all Jews.
Julian Sanders
How can you be both radical and traditional? Do you mean a reactionary?
Isaiah Lee
I'm part of the Monarchy. Unfortunately the Burger King rules my country and I owe fealty to him.
I used Radical Traditionalist as a label because that has been used by Spencer and others, but yes. It's the form of reaction that usually sees Christianity as fundamentally cucked and wants a return to pre-Christian outlooks, or to those that existed during Christianity but was eventually incompatible. They often argue for monogamy and much of what traditionalist Christians would want as the social order, which is what I think you're getting at.
New or alt right was coined to differentiate elements of the right from basic "Conservatism", which had come to represent neocons, free trade, and a basic acceptance of progressive values if not the means to achieve them. It depends how far back you go, but the worldview of paleocons like Pat Buchanan has blended into what I called the pragmatic nationalist side of the new right. Protectionism, nationalism, a practical if not deeply personal view of identity, and so on.
Carter Hall
National Review reading RINO globalist cuck here. That category used to be known as Reaganite.
Angel Martin
honestly if you arent christian you cannot be european nationalist
Jordan Fisher
Christian morals are for the weak-minded. Read Nietzsche you cuck
Carson Rodriguez
Socially liberal white nationalist I suppose, not much for religion, jewsus or otherwise. But I think that once the race war gets going the movement will have a traditional christian tone.
Cooper Foster
I don't know about Spencer and that whole crowd. It seems like trying to invent new ways to make common sense edgy and open to legitimate anti-hitler criticism. I might go as far as to say maybe a guy like David Duke or that Art guy who was running for a seat in Chicago because it's a lot more just down to the facts. I think the kind of people who follow a guy like Spencer might just be kind of new to the game and not yet exposed to the level of sophistication you'd really need for such a thing to be practical basis for political philosophy.
So yeah I guess pragmatic nationalist might be how you'd slot me. I'm basically an engineer and I think a great many men are at hard, so pragmatism is what you'd want even if it involves making some daring and unpredictable plays sometimes. And not to compare Buchanan as any kind of a Jesus or something, but that's the kind of quality you'd ordinarily want in a teacher where it's hard to argue against what they propose.
Jose Lewis
I have read Nietszche. Nietszche wouldn't deny that Christian morality existed as a concept. He also wouldn't be bitching about technical definitions on a straw poll on a Tuvian origami forum.
Matthew Harris
I Just want to genocide all the kikes and regain a white ethnostate. I guess I'm a nazi by most people's definition.
Julian King
+1, and yes, we are Nazis.
Dominic Ramirez
I’m not white, so Civnat
Dylan Foster
where is the LARPer option?
Luis Gray
The results so far would seem to indicate Christian traditionalists and neopagans as being the frontrunners here. Seeing this as the case, here is a relevent video from vertigopolitix before we descend into infighting and purity spiraling. youtube.com/watch?v=20VXGeZW9PU
That's where most of the energy pushing the movement seems to be and is my stance. If the two sides can't make an agreement to fight the greater evil it just becomes a fight between big fish over a tiny pond.
Aiden Garcia
What do you call people with racial/national sympathies and opposition to the current global order from a right wing perspective?
Asher Gutierrez
libertarian neo ethnofeudalist. sounds meme, tastes meme but i am dead serious
Christopher Flores
Why are you afraid of living among your own kind?
Matthew Sanchez
What is the alt right? Is that some kind of indie bookstore?
Grayson Johnson
That's going to happen anyway though. It's what people do in their spare time. Even if you restricted it to Christianity, you'd still have all different sects and infighting.
The key is balance. What kind of a system can you set up so that different people can do things in their different ways without stepping on each other's toes and having to kill each other as they have so often done in the past.
Jason Wright
>Christian morals are for the weak-minded. Read Nietzsche you cuck nice fedora there, sir.
Asher Kelly
Marxixst
Noah Rodriguez
Heathen scum BTFO
Josiah Ortiz
Nazi
Blake Gutierrez
I am a white nationalist christian in the sense that i think we need religion to keep a lot of the population in line. Christianity can become a problem when it make us susceptible to the influences of jews and/or sympathetic to non white christians. Christianity is the white mans religion and should be used as a bulwark against non white invasion. If i had it my way i would edit the bible so that jesus was a white man living in europe.
Jace Martin
You are literally just ass-mad that the Christian category you dislike is in first place. If it's a bad category why are so many people clicking on it?
Easton Stewart
>The only ideology that doesn't fully embrace dysgenics is the one that's holding humanity back from its potential Wew lad
Charles Collins
>alt right >posts poll about new right Are you soft in the head nigger?
>If i had it my way i would edit the bible so that jesus was a white man living in europe Wouldn't be too hard to do. 90% of the OT is irrelevant bullshit and 10% is messiah-ish prophecies that could be pallet-swapped
I think a lot it probably is bullshit, but the point really is that it got written down as a historical record. So better thing to do would be to keep it as it is but figure out and explain which parts are just ex post facto lies and why they're there.
Otherwise it's like you're throwing away information. It's pretty historically influential information, regardless of how accurate it is.
Adam Cooper
Pagan/christian tradicionalist. its complicated...
Jonathan Ross
Many white nationalists are also national socialists. NazBol isn't right or left though, so you're not part of the right.
Thomas Morris
No option for "former classical liberal/left leaning centrist disgusted with the modern left and the cuckery of the so-called 'conservatives'"?
Adam Torres
>strawpoll.me/16800214 it's a bit disingenuous to make that assumption in the poll though. you should be asking about political ideology separately from religious ideology because while they may influence each other, they are not directly correlated. a person of any religious faith can have any political opinion
Daniel Sanchez
>No ancap checkbox
I'd say most of Jow Forums are ancap or at least heavily libertarian. Capitalism is the final redpill ideologically speaking.
National Socialism would be in the Ethnonationalist (neo Pagan) category. Traditional (Italian) fascism would belong to the Ethnonationalist (Christian) category.
Civic Nationalism isn't pragmatic, it is specifically Liberal.
A pragmatist could argue for, say, a 90% ethnically homogeneous state. Liberal/Civic Nationalists cant, as it contradicts the ideals of Civic Nationalism, described here:
The term "Pragmatic Nationalism" is most often used with regard to economics (specifically foreign investment) but I've often thought it would be good to create a new, broad category of Pragmatic Nationalism that could combine the demographic realism of Ethnic Nationalism with many of the individual rights of Civic Nationalism, a pragmatic approach to economics, etc...
>that's why you feed it false information Indeed. That's why I usually do on principle. Though I suspect most "data miners" that come to Jow Forums are really after IP addresses, hence why they usually ask anons to go and visit some other websites and enter information.
Angel Thomas
Nobody cares about your IP faggot. That's only matters for like a search warrant or getting packeted by skiddies.
Nolan Jones
Fuck off CIA
Asher Ross
I have my intentions but I am not mining IP addresses or identities. Maybe I should, it would make eliminating the opposition much easier.
>almost all of the choices saying you must love whitey or else you're not on the right
Dumb list. You don't have to accept diversity but you do have to calm it with the outright racist shit if you want more people to feel okay around you.
Caleb Cook
>implying ethno nationalism is not a huge driver of the new right I gave you options for civnat or pragmatism.
>you do have to calm it with the outright racist shit if you want more people to feel okay around you Weak effort
