You were warned, Americans

omfg stop being 16

She was a Jew and these are just retarded Lolbergs, you won't get any explanation.

>basic gestalt
social decay by altruism.

Ayn Rand: biggest degenerate and hypocrite of all time. She endorsed collectivism for herself, but spouted individualism in the form of atomizing identity for others.

It's not a ridiculous book but it's written to make the case that industrial people are on various technicalities morally superior to mystical/intellectual people, and I think it does that very well. Rand never said that this is what such people should do, rather that this is what might happen if they did and therefore this is what such people are worth, I mean it's just kind of generally an interesting book to counter some of the odious ideas of communism and socialism, it isn't a fucking 20th century Gilgamesh as some people seem to expect every book of any broad scope to be.

>She was right about parasitism but wrong about who are the parasites.
Leftist politicians, academics, and businessmen were the villains in Atlas Shrugged. She was right about that.

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John Galt did not save anyone in the novel. The people that were the producers, the drivers of industry, the drivers of forces that produced prosperity, deserted a society that demanded they produce wealth for them without the society contributing any effort. The producers left the parasites to their self-imposed destruction.

>Hurr durr all rich people should take what is theirs and leave the welfare parasites to fester in their shit
>end life on welfare.
Why do people take shitty sci-fi authors seriously?

This book is so feared its hilarious. Read it yourself to find out why it terrifies them enough to attack every thread where this book is mentioned with ad hominem attacks on Rand and tired straw men about "angsty sperg teenagers." Atlas Shrugged is a true masterpiece that has become more prophetic than could have ever been believed.

Also Dagny is hypergamous as fuck it's hilarious that nobody ever mentions that but it's like central to the entire thing.

College kids?

Maybe if you were too stupid to utilize a library by yourself as a 12 year old.

Sad!

The foaming at the mouth surrounding any suggestion to read this book is eerily similar to the way NPCs and jews react to anything they don't like. It honestly seems like society has been trained to hate on this book.

For anyone that's read it, they realize it's a nice sci-fi story with inspirational speeches about capitalism and being a productive and strong willed individual with a passion, and also has prophetic visions about our society and the growing mass of "moochers".

Don't even give me that shit about her being jewish.

I prescribe to the race of the spirt. Not race of the skin. Ayn Rand had an Aryan soul.

Is this the one with the macguffin ores and perpetual motion machines.

ITT: People pretending that they've read a single word that Ayn Rand wrote as opposed to smear pieces from the likes of Slate, Gawker, and Jezebel.

Possibly the greatest passage of the book...

The great oak tree had stood on a hill over the Hudson, in a lonely spot of the Taggart estate. Eddie Willers, aged seven, liked to come and look at that tree. It had stood there for hundreds of years, and he thought it would always stand there. Its roots clutched the hill like a fist with fingers sunk into the soil, and he thought that if a giant were to seize it by the top, he would not be able to uproot it, but would swing the hill and the whole of the earth with it, like a ball at the end of a string. He felt safe in the oak tree’s presence; it was a thing that nothing could change or threaten; it was his greatest symbol of strength.

One night, lightning struck the oak tree. Eddie saw it the next morning. It lay broken in half, and he looked into its trunk as into the mouth of a black tunnel. The trunk was only an empty shell; its heart had rotted away long ago; there was nothing inside – just a thing gray dust that was being dispersed by the whim of the faintest wind. The living power had gone, and the shape it left had not be able to stand without it.

…

“It was an immense betrayal – the more terrible because he could not grasp what it was that had been betrayed. It was not himself, he knew, nor his trust; it was something else. He stood there for a while, making no sound, then he walked back to the house. He never spoke about it to anyone, then or since.”

Rare based leaf

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>but there will be no John Galt to save you
Hi

>who is John Galt?

Preach

About half the people here don't even have the plot correct.

>people criticising it means its feared

Yeah, so feared that there's several copies in it in every library and every 15 year old fedora has read it

>it's written to make the case that industrial people are on various technicalities morally superior to mystical/intellectual people,
It isn't "technical vs. non-technical/intellectual." That isn't even remotely implied in the novel. It's rational vs. irrational. Remember the artists, philosophers, composers, actors, and writers among the protagonists? In fact, one of Rand's central points was that irrationality had come to dominate the intellectual sphere--the core of a culture--which was what led to the culture's ultimate demise.

The unthinking, knee-jerk, emotional outbursts from the likes of BLM, Antifa, and Occupy Wall Street are the perfect illustration of what Rand considered evil.

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Yes, she pretty much endorses cuckoldry, polygamy, destroying family etc.

>Also Dagny is hypergamous as fuck
It is a definition of selfish love

You're right about one thing: I don't think I've ever seen anyone attack the book who didn't try something along the lines of "ya, I liked the book, when I was 14".

As though insulting someone or calling them childish for reading the book is an argument.

You are also right because there are three types of people in the world:
... those who don't understand the book.
... those who understand, and know they are the villan
... those who understand, and know they are the hero.

You're putting false words into my post, purposefully I assume. I have no problem with discussion of and criticism of the book Atlas Shrugged, as some have done in this thread.

Including OP. John Galt and the others in his bio dome never actually save the rest, or the book never explicitly says so at the end. They watch it burn

>every 15 year old fedora has read it
If that were true, the majority of people wouldn't be getting simple plot elements completely wrong.

specifically they are The Cathedral. Now whether the Cathedral ultimately answers to even darker forces, we can probably surmise "yes", but they are the ones doing the vast majority of the dirty work in the present day.

OP also said
>Witness the suicide of the greatest nation that has ever existed.
The greatest nation is not committing suicide, it is being destroyed from within by a cancer.

>John Galt's bio dome
wat

The point in Atlas Shrugged was that the villains were able to thrive because good people have historically let them get away with it. Left to their own devices to face reality on their own, everything collapses.

Fuck off you capitalist shithead scum
Go fuck yourself, kike

Nah I’m 1/4 Jew but pretty openly antisemetic. My grandmother is full on Jew psycho and it’s fun convincing her of repills

Take your cringe jewess nonsense back to rebit please

>The greatest nation is not committing suicide, it is being destroyed from within by a cancer.
See . It's suicide in the sense that the people with the power to fight the decline of the West have handed it over freely to those that are destroying it.

>Now whether the Cathedral ultimately answers to even darker forces
There isn't anything mystical implied in Atlas. The villains are just people who have never sat down and thought about how self-destructive the bromides they live by are, which leads them to do self-destructive things. Then they blame some scapegoat when their own shit blows up in their faces. It's the exact embodiment of the NPC meme playing out on the scale of an entire civilization.

This. Any forward insight or inner reflection is gone in the general population. They all have become useful idiots to academics who don't produce anything themselves

Point conceded.

LOL Ayn Rand on Reddit? You really don't get out much, do you user?

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Ayn Rand in no way came up with the notion that leftists were foolish. That had been around for decades and longer.

The Ayn randian rule can be distilled into “do as thou wilt is the whole of the law” and inspired laveyan satanism. The problem with Rand is the free market worship is directly tantamount to religion, and the whole thing breaks down once Rand recognizes and admits the necessity of law enforcement for govt etc, while also holding that essentially taxation is theft. Contradictory entirely.

Paul Ryan is a huge fan of Ayn Rand and forced staffers to read atlas shrugged. Read it all you like, but the philosophy it promotes is part of what’s brought in millions of immigrants under laissez faire programs. Global Free market economics that have proved disastrous.

Rand was also a huge pro abortionist.

>jewess nonsense
Rand was a modern Aristotelian that more closely resembled Aquinas or Locke than the likes of Marx or Marcuse. She opposed the U.S. entering WW2, opposed desegregation, and thought that NSDAP Germany was morally superior to Soviet Russia (though still morally inferior to the US). Most of the people that attack her don't have the faintest idea of what her ideas actually were, nor have they evidently read anything she's written... which is a shame, because she is one of the more cogent defenders of the West and its values in the past 100 years.

>written by a woman
No thanks

Everyone in my HS only pretended to read it, I didn't read it until after college and it took me Adderall to get thru it. It's not that great of a book although very quotable. There are better ways to learn her philosophy though.

They were trained to hate it. Ayn Rand was responsible for both the dot com bubble and the housing crisis.

There wete randian economist in charge including Greenspan who later admitted it was a huge mistake. But they were the ones who spearheaded the deregulations.

Randian philosophy is retarded.

Randian philosophy is also what the modern world was built on, especially in Silicon Valley in the 80s/90s.

She was extremely authentic for a jewess... at least in her interviews.

Why didn't she include (((bankers))), gov't contractors, investment funds and other scams?

Not true at all. Silicon Valley was possible due to government funded technologies gotten through taxation, govt research programs etc that found their way into private enterprise.

Furthermore, tariffs and free market interference allowed the United States to outcompete foreign countries up until ww2 when a destroyed Europe offered total hegemony. Economic nationalism is the way, not laissez faire.

can i come to brazil and train jiu jitsu?

to be honest you are better off trying to learn it in the U.S. There are more competent teachers there.

only antisocial pedos believe that bullshit

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>housing crisis.
nigga wut?
have you ever heard about freddie and fannie?

>There wete randian economist in charge including Greenspan who later admitted it was a huge mistake.
You're talking about Greenspan and only Greenspan. There was nothing "Randian" about Greenspan's policies. Objectivist political philosophy explicitly denounces institutions like the Federal Reserve because they interfere in the actions of others when no rights have been violated. Greenspan briefly ran in some of the same circles, but then, so did Murray Rothbard--whose ideas objectivists also denounce.

it's the individual that matters

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>all the bosses
>all the taxmen
>all the polititions
>all the landlords
>go away and leave us regular people alone
sounds like fucking heaven on earth. Like early america

> because they interfere in the actions of others when no rights have been violated
Holy shit, this is one of the few real red pills I saw in this shitty board.

Go watch the documentary All Watched Over By Machines of Loving Grace

It does a pretty good job of covering that period and its influences.

>Gubmint takes your money
>You take some back through social security

If you're robbed and the criminal is caught, you shouldn't seek reparations. That's so hypocritical of you.

Confusion is nothing new. In any event, poor reading of characters that stand next to pouring metals.

Dealing with the trifling matter of economy is for materialist losers. Anyone of a serious, world changing demeanor could give a less of a shit about how the merchant caste wastes their time in a fictional world.

Boring ass book
Read the Wikipedia article like everyone else and then pretend u read it
Also, who is John Galt???

They de regulated sub prime jackass.

>The Ayn randian rule can be distilled into “do as thou wilt is the whole of the law” and inspired laveyan satanism.
Rand actually denounced this kind of moral premise as "whim-worship." Just because you will something does not make it rational, and it was rational action that Rand advocated. The most prominent philosopher that promoted the view of "do as thou wilt" is probably Nietzsche, whose prose Rand admired, but whose philosophy she criticized.

>Read it all you like, but the philosophy it promotes is part of what’s brought in millions of immigrants under laissez faire programs.
You're thinking of Libertarians. Objectivism doesn't have a stance on immigration, and its advocacy of laissez-faire is contextual: "If there is an identifiable threat to the nation and the rights of its citizens, that threat should be neutralized." This is why objectivists generally oppose relaxing immigration policy in the U.S. -- and vehemently oppose immigration policies in the EU.

So what? Low interests from the federal reserve allowed for a bubble to form, while Freddie and Fannie, defacto government agencies created the incentive for real estate investment. Moreover, the highly regulated rating agencies were rubber stamping highly risky financial instruments that wouldn't be touched by sane firms if they didn't have to.

"Deregulation caused the financial crisis" is a myth perpetuated by the ignorant to seize control over finance.

>but there will be no John Galt to
Wrong

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>They de regulated sub prime jackass.
The financial crisis of 2008 was entirely the cause of government regulations that should never have existed. Namely: the government mandate that all shall receive housing. Here is John Allison, former CEO of BB&T bank (whose leadership allowed BB&T to avoid the ill effects of the financial crisis) explaining what caused it in technical detail. Incidentally, John Allison is an objectivist.
youtube.com/watch?v=-OCzqi3oGmg

will you be accepting refugees when the soviet socialist states of america inevitably implodes?

I dont read fedora atheist liberal propaganda

not sure if proxy, but yaron has been making rounds in brazil. guessing that's where this huehue learned about ayn rand.

>I dont read
ah, a true burger you are

Please no bully,

“Objectivism” doesn’t have a distinction between rational and empirical concepts. It rejects any distinction between thought experiments and facts, which makes it philosophically dogmatic, and is a gigantic red flag. There is no argument underpinning the deference given to “rationality” in objectivism that isn’t premised upon the notion that we can see things absolutely objectively, which is just not true at this stage in society, evolution, and technology. The very name objectivism might as well just be changed to Goodism, since it’s obvious that we want to see things objectively to peer into their true nature. It is impossible at this stage, and is merely an idealized fantasy. Rational self interest for a person with sociopathy is to acquire as much as possible, even at the expense of the public good. This is why, in part, corporations have gone multinational and sell out their own nations for profit and turn rootless.

Objectivism And randian philosophy demands and is predicated on no to minimal government apparatus beyond basic law enforcements. When facing an existential threat like mass immigration the whole philosophy falls apart, since you have to organize en masse and enact sweeping governmental measures to defend your nation and people, and if no such infrastructure already exists for it, then you’d probably see so called objectivists just flee elsewhere to extract profit from a new source.

>who is john galt

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You come to here to meme about individual liberty and freedom of thought, them in the next breath push a book written by the exact type of degenerate you claim to rail against.

>flag

That explains it.

Yeah her argument was the job creators are more important. Her solution was the job creators doing their own work, instead of paying peanuts for others to do it for them. Dumbest conclusion possible to an already moronic premise. She was an idiot.

>yfw Ayn Rand used social security benefits later in her life.

....Then how do you know that it is "fedora atheist liberal propaganda"...?

>omg i love fucking this brown mexicn guy because he owns a mining company
>omfg this guy has an even bigger dick and its hard as steel beams!
>OMFG WTF GALT YOU HAVE THE MOST MONEY FUCK MY CUNT I LOVE YOU
>Roastie quest, the book
>feat: little cucky that could, dagny's admirer who dies on a train at the end

she did. Tacitly.

>>yfw Ayn Rand used social security benefits later in her life.
If I take your money at gunpoint, then later I offer to give it back, would you take it?

>enjoys Ayn Rand's nihilism
>whines when nihilism does its job and kills a generation
Like, what did you expect nihilism would bring? LMAO

Well...youre not wrong...it did read like a smut novel.

What is restitution? She defends that money should have never been taken, she even builds a pirate character for this function in Atlas Shrugged.

>Ayn Rands nihilism
Clearly you havent read a single book of her, she spends half of Atlas Shrugged exposing nihilism

>It rejects any distinction between thought experiments and facts, which makes it philosophically dogmatic, and is a gigantic red flag.
This is just plain wrong. The basis of objectivist epistemology is essentially Aristotelian, and states that no concept is valid without direct observation and logical integration of those observations. This is just as valid in the realm of human action as it is in science in general: Particular kinds of human actions produce particular kinds of consequences. If the standard of "the good" is human life, then some actions are good and some actions are bad based on the outcomes produced.

>Objectivism And randian philosophy demands and is predicated on no to minimal government apparatus beyond basic law enforcements. When facing an existential threat like mass immigration the whole philosophy falls apart, since you have to organize en masse and enact sweeping governmental measures to defend your nation and people, and if no such infrastructure already exists for it, then you’d probably see so called objectivists just flee elsewhere to extract profit from a new source.
See above. An invasion force with the declared intention of changing the fundamental nature of your culture--through force, if necessary--is an invasion force and as per objectivist ethics should be neutralized. This is why so many objectivists are so vocal about immigration, whereas Libertarians are all "muh open borders."

>Almost

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>>yfw Ayn Rand used social security benefits later in her life.
Let's read what she actually wrote about the topic.
"Since there is no such thing as the right of some men to vote away the rights of others, and no such thing as the right of the government to seize the property of some men for the unearned benefit of others—the advocates and supporters of the welfare state are morally guilty of robbing their opponents, and the fact that the robbery is legalized makes it morally worse, not better. The victims do not have to add self-inflicted martyrdom to the injury done to them by others; they do not have to let the looters profit doubly, by letting them distribute the money exclusively to the parasites who clamored for it. Whenever the welfare-state laws offer them some small restitution, the victims should take it."
In other words, if someone takes your money unjustly and you can get some of it back, you absolutely should.

>Before keynesianism an central planing

fraser.stlouisfed.org/title/3912/item/492986?start_page=68

Average wage 40 usd per week = 1920 per year.

>House cost

thepeoplehistory.com/20s-homes.html

1200 usd

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9 months of work to own a house for the average worker.
We are living in ayn rand dystopia and it´s getting worse and worse because gibs are used as bribes to keep the barbarians at bay.

Who is Satoshi Nakamoto?

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