Universal healthcare will cost too mu

Now look at doctor's wages.

Have fun with no new research. Who on that list does 90% of the drug and treatment testing and research?

>Americans are majority fat
>Americans have millions of non-whites who are even fatter than the whites
>Average IQ comes out to 98 and dropping
>Over 320,000,000 people
"Just tax everything! It'll work itself out!"
The only way this is going to work is the United States becoming overwhelmingly white again, increasing the IQ to an average with triple digits, everyone is FIT and HEALTHY, and the American Medical Association gets told to fuck off and stop ruining the medical industry.

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sounds good to me op

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They can also use it to shape demographics. Remember the left is the party of eugenics. They would just love to begin denying treatments to white men over 40.

Can Americans answer me this question - if you want to arrange an appointment with a general practitioner (basically, your family doctor), do you have to make phone appointments first, where you have to wait in a queue of 60 to 70 people? Once put through, do you have to either wait a week for an appointment? Finally, is your doctor someone you have seen before, or are you just given a random doctor who 2 out of 5 times doesn't even speak English?

What is the mechanism by which having the government directly pay the same medical bills lowers costs? Waving it off with the magic debt fairy? Rationing service? Redistribution that always falls harder on the middle class than the wealthy or poor?

ch.

Even if completely eliminating private expenditure somehow magically caused the same level of care and no increase in public expenditure, we'd still be paying more than average. The issue with american healthcare isnt a private/public issue, it is that healthcare is simultaneously too expensive and too available.

Depends who you are but most people with insurance thru their workplace you call in to set up an appointment. I can usually get in to see mine within a few days. Most people have personal doctors, i.e. someone they see every time unless they need to go see a specialist.

i call the doctor ive been seeing for the past 10 years and they usually can see me the same day. otherwise its usually the next day.

If I need to see a specialist (i have MG) then I call their office and they usually can get me in sometime that week.

My insurance through work covers everything. I have a $10 copay. My prescriptions through express scripts are $10 a bottle no matter what prescription it is.

Meme flags mean meme arguments. Until there is some kind of repercussions for being fat and or unemployed. Universal free anything is completely unsustainable. Now add in 44% niggers.

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Right now the problem is that government through Medicaid/Medicare pays for most of it while private practitioners manage it.
Since government pays, all these Indian and Asian and Jewish doctors and whites with huge college loans bill fake patients and run every unnecessary test since hey government pays for it and I gotta do this to protect myself from malpractice lawsuits too lol.
Medicare for all would just balloon costs even higher as private practitioners could bill the goverent for everyone.

Honestly should be a system that makes it if you're an overweight sack of shit, doing drugs, or smoking you get less priority and pay more. I want to move to Australia tbqh.

There valid argument for both public and private, but honestly, it's a stupid fucking argument until we look at the issues behind healthcare costs as a total, namely the general health epidemic in the US, which has a huge amount of fat fucks that drive up healthcare costs, immigrants coming and leeching off of the system, the massive amount of boomers who are now sucking on the tit of healthcare because they're trying to live for another year while Joe blow in his 30's has to pay for it while trying to afford starting a family and a buy a house at the same time, pouring money into defending other countries while that money could very easily be used for paying healthcare for the US citizens instead. I mean we're giving BILLIONS every year to fucking Israel so they can have a cozy life there while US citizens are living on the street or going bankrupt because of medical costs, that's enough to make anyone go insane.

I wish Trump would just say "I'm open to public healthcare. Here's a list of things that need to be fixed before we do so. Democrats or republicans, if you are against fixing these things, you don't actually give a damn at fixing the system and are just looking for a band-aid." And then releases a comprehensive list of how much money could be saved with healthcare if all these underlying issues are fixed that anyone can look at.

Nope. If you want, you can even walk into a clinic and usually be seen within 30 minutes for most things. Cost is $70 or so without insurance.

>Just like public education.

Good for whom? The more you post the larger and more crooked I suspect your nose to be.

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Then why does it work in countries like England and France?

Nice projection nigger. Not everything is political, the citizenry should be educated and healthy. That's just common sense for a good society.

Republicucks will do nothing because muh markets. Democrats will do nothing because muh Obamacare. And ITT Jow Forums doesn't understand the concept of monopsony.

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US education LMAO. What does per capita even mean bro?

>you're entitled to an exist....

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I’m your Huckleberry...

Current % of US Healthcare Expenditure in the Private sector that is administrative is around 12%. Medicare is at about 4%...

Assuming by some miracle that the government could build the system that functions with the same administrative cost as Medicare (highly dubious) you will have saved a total of........

......8% of Private cost. Looking at your graph, that’s less than 1/10th of the Bar-stack height.

That leaves the US STILL 150-200% higher in Healthcare cost per Capita..

Point is this: SINGLE PAYER VS PRIVATE INSURANCE ISNT THE FUCKING ISSUE!

Also this...

>Just like public education.
just read the fucking internet moron. or do you need an official piece of paper from some jew that says you went to class and paid tuition?

t. Plebbit

Monopoly... and yes this is one of the contributors to the fucking shit show

Fun fact: that research depends heavily on the government and universities

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Fucking clueless communist idiot, not understanding that state intervention fucked up the US 'private' system, which is pretty much private in name alone.

mises.org/wire/how-government-regulations-made-healthcare-so-expensive

mises.org/wire/lower-health-care-costs-try-freedom

Fuck off imbecile.

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In 1910, the physician oligopoly was started during the Republican administration of William Taft after the American Medical Association lobbied the states to strengthen the regulation of medical licensure and allow their state AMA offices to oversee the closure or merger of nearly half of medical schools and also the reduction of class sizes. The states have been subsidizing the education of the number of doctors recommended by the AMA.
In 1925, prescription drug monopolies begun after the federal government led by Republican President Calvin Coolidge started allowing the patenting of drugs. (Drug monopolies have also been promoted by government research and development subsidies targeted to favored pharmaceutical companies.)
In 1945, buyer monopolization begun after the McCarran-Ferguson Act led by the Roosevelt Administration exempted the business of medical insurance from most federal regulation, including antitrust laws. (States have also more recently contributed to the monopolization by requiring health care plans to meet standards for coverage.)
In 1946, institutional provider monopolization begun after favored hospitals received federal subsidies (matching grants and loans) provided under the Hospital Survey and Construction Act passed during the Truman Administration. (States have also been exempting non-profit hospitals from antitrust laws.)

Why wouldn't the government be able to have a functional system with the same administrative cost as Medicare through a Medicare buy in or Medicare for all plan? It'd save at least $2 trillion over 10 years with universal coverage, and remove a cost on businesses to provide health benefits.

In 1951, employers started to become the dominant third-party insurance buyer during the Truman Administration after the Internal Revenue Service declared group premiums tax-deductible.
In 1965, nationalization was started with a government buyer monopoly after the Johnson Administration led passage of Medicare and Medicaid which provided health insurance for the elderly and poor, respectively.
In 1972, institutional provider monopolization was strengthened after the Nixon Administration started restricting the supply of hospitals by requiring federal certificate-of-need for the construction of medical facilities.
In 1974, buyer monopolization was strengthened during the Nixon Administration after the Employee Retirement Income Security Act exempted employee health benefit plans offered by large employers (e.g., HMOs) from state regulations and lawsuits (e.g., brought by people denied coverage).
In 1984, prescription drug monopolies were strengthened during the Reagan Administration after the Drug Price Competition and Patent Term Restoration Act permitted the extension of patents beyond 20 years. (The government has also allowed pharmaceuticals companies to bribe physicians to prescribe more expensive drugs.)
In 2003, prescription drug monopolies were strengthened during the Bush Administration after the Medicare Prescription Drug, Improvement, and Modernization Act provided subsidies to the elderly for drugs.
In 2014, nationalization will be strengthened after the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act of 2010 (“Obamacare”) provided mandates, subsidies and insurance exchanges, and the expansion of Medicaid.

We spend more because we're rich and we have the best shit.
Also opportunity cost is a bitch. If the US market falls you're all doomed

OH GEE I WONDER WHAT HAPPENS TO PRICE IF WE RESTRICT SUPPLY WITH REGULATION...

STUPID FUCKING MORON OP.

P.S.
fee.org/articles/the-chart-that-could-undo-the-us-healthcare-system/

P.P.S. FUCK OFF

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You don't realize that that graph has both public and private health care costs, and that all that moving to a public option will do is change the purple line blue, right? Or do you actually think that somehow, the purple line will magically disappear when you move to a public option?

Health care costs are based off of the costs of of the doctors, drug companies, etc. Those costs don't change unless you want to simply have the power to DENY people health care. In which case, enjoy your death panels.

>Mises.org

>Health care costs are based off of the costs of of the doctors, drug companies, etc.
lol
You seriously think that's the only thing?

>the purple line will magically disappear when you move to a public option?
It doesn't disappear, it shrinks by a lot as private plans exist only as a supplement for what the national plan doesn't cover just like every other normal country.

Love having to wait 18 months for throat surgery, could pay for it myself if I wasn't taxed out the ass and also have to pay for extremely high cost of living

Imagine all the money we could save if europoors payed for their own research and development of drugs.

>pay the most health care per capita
>not top in low infantile mortality, not top in life expectancy
>people are unhealthy , and will remain unhealthy cause some one is paying for it
>healthcare is third party and people do not see the real cost

Health care is a meme that help no one.

Evidently you haven't read much.

Suppose there's an equation in a religious text that states 2+2 is 4, does the provenance of the equation cause 2+2 to cease to equal 4? I think not.

KYS moron.

Medicare is one-size-fits-all and currently only 15 % of the population are beneficiaries. If you extend that to 100% of the population, what ever savings you’ve achieved in administrative costs are wiped out by the inefficiency of coverage for shit people don’t need.

What happens next is the government reduces the quality of coverage to reduce costs. Now a 70 year old who needs dialysis is up the creek. End of life care for the elderly goes to shit... life expectancy drops...

> be doctor
>have 415k in debt average
>have to pay 14-100k a year on malpractice insurance

Hmm

in the USA....a lot of people generally lead unhealthy lives....coupled with dumbasses like amy schumer promoting obesity...healthcare in the USA is very expensive and if we make it universal it will literally break the proverbial bank

Democrats are so fucking retarded. This is what we have to put up with. A bullshit chart with no context. You literally looked at a chart and REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEd your way into an opinion.

Yeah lets start underpaying our doctors

It is, pretty much. 10-12% of that is third party administrative costs... but HC for all will also have admin costs (probably in the 5-7% range...maybe worse). You’re saving a sliver of money on admin costs... you’re still left over with high drug costs (FDA regulations ... I.e. government fuckery) and high doctors fees (I.e unlimited damage claims requiring doctors to pay upwards of 100k malpractice insurance premiums annually)...

Putting more in healthcare solves nothing, 14 percent of the USA GDP is health care,by metrics alone we are shit,3rd world shit almost.

You cannot be anything more than healthy, and everyone is unhealthy cause someone else is footing the bills.

You won't get healthy cause you have insurance ,you get the opposite cause a safety net you have coupled with the fact that everyone want the latest and greatest healthcare is a retarded endeavour.

you're spot on. because you didn't post the graphic from the article, you are a nigger

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In Europe:

1. People are generally healthier in their lifestyle
2. They can’t sue their doctors for millions like in the US
3. They don’t have the FDA gamed by drug companies to set barriers to entry too high for startups to take drugs to market (average to market cost from development to release including trials is $600M per drug in the US). They copy US drugs and multiple companies offer generics of the same drug.
4. They don’t pay for their own defense

Private health insurance as a concept is pretty effective. The health insurance makes money by keeping population healthy and making sick people get preventive and care faster to avoid more costs of hospitalization.

Remember its the insurance job to make sure you stay healthy and out of the hospital. Its the hospital bussiness to keep you sick

That research would still get done by drug companies and universities you retard, that's what happens now. The issue is people seeing general practitioners or other doctors for regular appointments and emergency room visits, i.e not researching medicine but providing the service. We would still have cutting-edge medical research because companies still need to come up with solutions to diseases which would be used by doctors.

Nobody is disputing that you spastic cunt. The main argument is why the US must carry with that cost of piggybacking other countries that pay less for drugs.

>Strawman
>Instead of guaranteeing most of the population treatments we should let companies decide to deny people treatments based on profit motive

I suspect a lot of the "administration" cost is really #2:
lawsuit insurance

I think this is why Ambulance rides are so expensive too. Like probably ride: $50, paying the people, $150, lawsuit coverage, $2000.

We should be denying healthcare to non whites.

>FDA regulations
I'm sick of these fucking niggers. I wanted a testosterone boosting pill (laugh all you want faggots, try living with it) that's a modified version of some female fertility pill to remove the toxic chemical that men don't need. Human testing was fine and showed the same or better results over testosterone injections without destroying your testicles and sperm.

So why wasn't it approved? Turns out they didn't follow some sort of bureaucratic process 100% to the letter, so now they have to redo all the trials, which is very expensive and might not even happen now. So now I can either juice up and lose my balls, take the female fertility pill and hope the toxin doesn't affect me, or just sit and suffer as a low test """male""" for the rest of my life. Thanks a lot for protecting me government!

So the US is the leader for drug research because the top companies operate and have headquarters here? Glaxo-Smith-Kline is a British company and they invest an assload into drug research as well, while employing both Europeans and Americans.

America is still the top dog in terms of technological development, so of course it's going to seem like other countries are dragging themselves along or "piggybacking", because we're the ones with enough resources and talent to make the largest number of breakthroughs. I don't see why we couldn't afford universal healthcare as well as maintaining our lead, even if other countries "pick up the slack" so to speak by covering our budget shift.

This, that should lower the costs

Look you piece of shit. I dont care if my neighbor's baby dies from a common fucking cold because the dad works a shitty job with fakeass Obamacare insurance. Let me say this again you retarded nigger...I dont fucking care about you or your life struggles. I made good choices for my family and I dont need handouts. Fuck off.

It used to be simple. Now there can be a long wait to be seen by an actual doctor. The profession is in decline as far as private practices are concerned because poorfags cant afford to be seen outside a hospital emergency room.

So its supposed to by a symbiotic relationship where everybody gets fucked by hikes in drug prices but because they produce here and hire people here we are supposed to deal with it? That's bullcrap and you know it.

And the fully public option wouldn't be equally expensive why?

Because they pay 40-plus percent taxes

It does not. England & France work despite having socialized healthcare. Define exactly what works?
Having no upfront cost at the time of service?

Brits & Frogs are paying an exuberant amount of taxes for other people's healthcare. The situation would only be more disastrous in the states due to the extreme amount of symptoms & complications that come from obesity.

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oh so you put "I've read a lot of stuff on the internet" on your resume. how's that been working out for you

>liberals still believe their own lies about costs
Leftists have no grasp on finance, so kill yourself faggot.