Hello Comrades. This general is for the discussion of Marxism-Leninism, the ideology of revolutionary socialism and communism.
Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage and the socialist stage.
What exactly is communism according to Marxist-Leninists:
>Communism is a stage of society in which the productive infrastructure is socially owned, and goods are produced not in order to sell for profit, but in order to meet a social need. >Communism in it's full form is a stateless, classless society that follows the maxim "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need." >To achieve such a society Marxism-Leninism teaches us that we must replace the capitalist state, which is controlled by the capitalist class, by a socialist state, which is controlled by the working class. Then, a period of class struggle follows in which the capitalist class is liquidated by the working class. When the capitalist class has been completely vanquished, there will be only one class, the working class, and eventually the functions of the state will become indistinguishable from the functions of the society as a whole, and the state as such will 'wither away' as Marx said. marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/
Hot take: reform the Republican Party to be openly socialist. It isn't like they stand for anything besides being not-anti-white at this point, muh Ayn Rand neoliberal corporate welfare as an ideology is dead, so why not just use Trump as a vehicle to get them promote actual leftism instead of the libshit idpol pseudo-socialism of the Democrats?
Nicholas Stewart
shit like this is so optimistic that it makes me want to vomit
Blake Walker
wtf
Jaxson Nelson
It will never happen in this country faggit get over yourself
Jayden Parker
I wonder if the liberals are harder to subvert actually
Aaron Mitchell
Communism will be outlawed in America within 4 years. Get ready faggot.
Tyler King
Reminder that worker identity is slave identity. Instead of casting off your shackles you seek to shackle all
Lincoln Williams
Same thing just happened in brazil, where are the dead commies?
Jacob Foster
lol, you really have no clue.
Jaxson Morris
actually there is that law from the cold war still around but not enforced
Lincoln Thomas
Remember the teachings of Engels. Those who produce nothing but own the wealth are devoid both of worth as people as well as moral courage. They are subhuman insects who barely have the right to exist, much less to live in society. Eat the rich!
Marxism-Leninism is not stalinism. There's no such thing as "stalinism", trotsky coined the term as pejorative.
Leo Moore
>stalin organized a mass strike against a Rothschild owned warehouse that turned violent and lead to the Batumi massacre >Hitler had a Rothschild in captivity and let them go Yeah, communism is truly for the rothschilds.
Jeremiah Morris
Stalinism is National-Socialism which has achieved higher goals, regarding size and killing of their own.
Dylan Turner
No it isn't. National "socialism" has nothing to do with socialism or Stalin.
It surely does. Stalin prefered the Russian over every other race/ethnicity, tried to take "Lebensraum" (living areas) for russians in Ukrainia and other eastern european states. Like Hitler, people, businesses and banks where expropriated and nationalized. No free press, centralistic "Führer"-state etc. etc. etc.
Bentley Thomas
The Bolsheviks were paid for by the Rothschilds. Its literally history. Trotsky was in and out of Jacob Schiff's estate constantly and Lenin was financed by 200 million in gold that came to Russia via a ship that was captured by the British Navy but they were forced to release it.
Oh but I'm sure the proletariat did all that.
Levi Ross
No he didn't, you're talking out your arse. First, Ukraine had always been part of the Russian Empire, it had like 2 years of independence during the civil war and then was made a soviet again long before Stalin took power. Also, Stalin did the opposite of Russofication, he allowed ethnicities to keep a degree of self-determination and their own langauges, even printing books in their own language so they didn't have to learn Russian.
>Like Hitler, people, businesses and banks where expropriated and nationalized. Except Hitler didn't do any of that, it was the opposite. The term "privatization" was coined to describe Nazi Germany's economy.
No they weren't. Jacob Schiff wasn't a rothschild.
Liam Collins
So you're Maoist op?
Brody Jenkins
You're literally contradicting every historical narrative at once.
You like a person who's responsible for the killing of 45-80 million people. Quite interesting.
Tell me more about your phanatasies!
Grayson Clark
I'm just here for the based spurdo gommunism poster
Liam Gonzalez
China is communist in name only you dipshit. Xi is not a Maoist and is doing everything possible to erase Mao's actual legacy in favor of a diluted sort of Han ethnonationalism
Easton Fisher
I'm waiting for better entertainment. For now the two communists are quite lame.
Blake Peterson
What "historical narrative"? Anyone who looks at Nazi Germany's economy can tell its not private and anyone can look up how long Ukraine was independent for. Its not secret knowledge.
>Why are you a communist? Too many reasons.
He wasn't. In fact, if you read anything about Schiff at all, you'd know he funded not only the Bolsheviks, but the social democrats in Russia that the Bolsheviks overthrew, at which point he stopped funding them. His motivation for funding the movement to overthrow the tsar was because of anti-jewish pogroms the tsar allowed to be carried out, when the Bolsheviks overthrew the Kerensky government in 1917, he cut all funding.
"Schiff’s gripe against Russia had been its anti-Semitism. At home Schiff had never shown any sympathy for socialism, not even the milder Morris Hillquit variety. Schiff had declared victory for his purposes in Russia after the tsar was toppled in March 1917 and Alexander Kerensky, representing the new provisional government, had declared Jews to be equal citizens. In addition to repeated public statements of support, he used both his personal wealth and the resources of Kuhn Loeb to float large loans to Kerensky’s regime. When Lenin and Trotsky seized power for themselves in November 1917, Schiff immediately rejected them, cut off further loans, started funding anti-Bolshevist groups, and even demanded that the Bolsheviks pay back some of the money he’d loaned Kerensky. Schiff also joined a British-backed effort to appeal to fellow Jews in Russia to continue the fight against Germany." - Ackerman, Kenneth (2016), Trotsky in New York, 1917: A Radical on the Eve of Revolution.
Isaac Sullivan
>China went to hell this millennium Jesus
John Evans
>The term "privatization" was coined to describe Nazi Germany's economy. >Anyone who looks at Nazi Germany's economy can tell its not private
You're contradicting yourself.
Christopher Jenkins
Sorry, I meant to say "its not socialist". But seriously, just look at the Nazi government and Hitler's anti-marxist views and fierce defense of private property and you know he wasn't a socialist. He was funded by fucking industrialists like Drexler, why the fuck would they fund someone who wanted to get rid of them? They wouldn't, because Hitler didn't want to get rid of them.
Camden Bennett
At first, everything was nationalized (as part of their socialist agenda), after there was no economical power left, they privatized everything in favour of party members. Does that remind you of something? Maybe the Sowjetunion? ;)
Levi Powell
Still I'd be interested why you consider yourself a communist.
Kayden Hall
It wasn't nationalized, like I said, Hitler actually privatized a lot of industry.
>they privatized everything in favour of party members. You mean the rich industrialists who funded him for that specific purpose like Hugo Boss.
Too many reasons really. Marxism is a long subject that touches on nearly everything. I used to be a fascist (though not really the frothing at the mouth Andrew Anglin kind) until learned about Post-modernism through /lit/ (because post-modernism is still an important concept in literature even divorced from politics, Infinite Jest for example is about post-modernism) and then I became a marxist (which isn't post-modernism).
Jaxson Allen
BASED
Joshua Davis
guys I unironically want to become a commie, teach me pls
Henry Wood
>It wasn't nationalized This is just incorrect. >I used to be a fascist That explains a lot.
Parker Roberts
It wasn't. Some thing were nationalized because it was a war economy, just like Britain nationalized some things, but on net it was massively privatized.
>That explains a lot. You can't learn what you don't know to learn. No-one is born a marxist.
Camden Reed
I want to support communism but enjoy not starving, what do?
Nolan Smith
>No-one is born a marxist. Thank god! We 'd all be starving before our first "mama"-cry.
Logan Brooks
>Please brainwash me with smarmy rhetoric about how I'm oppressed and I should murder my neighbor because he has 2 tomatoes and I have 0
Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.
Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society. Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies: >Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD >Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD >To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people. gommies.gom/fug/gommies.gom/starve/
Da sdages of gommunism. >Sdage one Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.
>Sdade two Withering All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.
>Sdage three Gommunism. No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.
>muh made up statistics straight from Robert Conquest (head of the IRD, the anti-soviet propaganda wing of Britain) Stalin and Mao didn't do one single thing wrong.
It was great. Without it, China would be African-tier.
Kevin Mitchell
You're trying to contradict communist crimes with data made up by communists. - Seems legit. Do you think a Nazi who denies the holocaust, using only nazi-sources would be credible? Or a murderer making up his own alibi, without any third party confirmation?
Is "Stalin did nothing wrong" the new way of being edgy, 'cause "Hitler did nothing wrong" is already used by so many on this board?
Jack Ramirez
Even chinks admit it was retarded, retard. >HURR DURR MELT YOURS TOOLS TO MAKE USELESS CAST IRON INSTEAD OF GROWING FOOD >OH NO WHY ARE WE STARVING >HURR DURR KILL SPARROWS >OH NO WHY BUGS ARE EATING OUR CROPS
Jacob Perry
There were no "communist crimes".
>Do you think a Nazi who denies the holocaust, using only nazi-sources would be credible? No, because there's a mountain of evidence, including Hitler himself literally saying he's going to wipe the jews off the face of the earth, to support it. There is no evidence to confirm any "communist" crime and mountains of evidence against them.
Nathan Fisher
Remember, communists do not think of anyone as people, therefore do not think of them as people.
Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.
Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.
Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:
>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD >Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD >To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liguidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people. gommies.gom/fug/ gommies.gom/starve/
----------------------------------------- Da sdages of gommunism.
>Sdage one Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.
>Sdade two Withering All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.
>Sdage three Gommunism. No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis
>Sdage for Not real gommunism. Move on do nexd coundry XDDdDDD
>MUH POINTS WITHOUT ANY EVIDENCE WITHOUT ANY CONTEXT Reminder capitalism kills 10 million people each year.
Libertarians literally want to grind the poor and the workers under their boot so they can rape children on a yacht, so don't give me jack shit about not caring about anyone.
Ancaps yes, most normal libertarians no. Also who better to understand the intentions of evil then evil? Their beliefs do not mean they can never once be correct , and on Communism, they are oh so correct.
show your real flag, cunt. Im bet you are some rich kid caviar socialist from west. No one who lived under gommie regime would praise it. Just move to fucking north korea.
And about that pic of you, it easier to grow fast when you are starting from 0 and have bunch of satellite states to exploit. And nukes.
Christopher Russell
You sound 1:1 like the people who deny the holocaust. But you stated earlier you used to be a fascist. Shouldn't have expected anything else.
Jacob Williams
USSR was real socialism and it was great.
Libertarians are either well-meaning idealists who don't understand how capitalism works and why it always tends toward monopoly and why the state is necessary to maintain it, or fascist corporatists trying to hide the fact they are like Molyneux or Ayn Rand.
>you're a rich kid who just blah blah blah Yawn. Get a new fucking argument. Most of the people who lived in the USSR want it back. I mean look at you, you Polish thought you'd be like Britain post-USSR, but look at you. You're just cheap labour for rich EU countries to exploit and nothing more. Look at The Ukraine, its a fucking hellhole. I'd rather live in parts of sub-Saharan Africa than Ukraine these days.
The Soviet diet was healthier than the American diet in the 1980s. The CIA admitted it.
Jaxson Carter
Why do you lie so much, swine? We had to go door to door for a cup of flour you burgeois western filth while the Russian scum stole everything of worth in this country to feed the drunken filth they call their people. Also what the fuck are you doing? USSR wasn't communist, it was state capitalism by your own definition you vermin? Did workers owned their own means of production? They didn't. Were classes abolished? They weren't.
So much fucking grief did your scummy ilk brought, and now I have to watch you upper class trash once again pretend you give a shit about working class people, as if they are not the thing that you hate the most.
Except killing millions of Poles, stealing Poland’s eastern territories, starving Ukrainians, killing Chinks and being fucking autists?
Xavier Carter
is the class war over?
Angel Watson
Never happened.
Josiah Morales
Why do the communists of today support ethnic replacement of Europeans?
Michael Howard
Stop it, he's like a communist caricature of holocaust deniers. It's the new way of being edgy, since being a fascist is mainstream on Jow Forums.
Connor Bell
If it never happened, then why doesn’t Poland have its eastern terrototies today? They’re called the Kresy and the Soviets stole them and incorporated them into the fake nations know today as Belarus and Ukraine.
Also, Soviet NKVD Order #00485. Look it up.
I wish I can come to your house and beat you to a bloody pulp and then hang you by your entrails.
Carter Walker
As long as there are classes who oppose each other, there will be class war. Simple as that.
Sebastian Anderson
Mao killed a bird species because he saw one eat some grain which in turn caused locusts to go without a natural predator and caused famines through his own retardation. Why should mao under any shape or form be admired if hes that fucking stupid? Your fucking stupid.
Jaxon Green
Ethnicity is secondary to class. We support the abolition of borders because we want to maximize human freedom, not commit mayocide.
Nolan Williams
there is no more classism. rich whites act like niggers. where is the class in that?
Ethan Brown
I really really wanna beat the shit out of you, brainlet. You try to deny something an easy google search will show.
