Did Jesus have an inner voice?

Contemporary documentation and the shroud of Turin.

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Jesus had whatever his author decided he would have, user.

Shroud of Turin is the imprint of one of the knights templar, while they were being tortured and killed.
>contemporary documentation
Uh citation please

>crazy long haired hippie constantly talking to God
Gee OP
What do you think?
>A HURR DURR

Fuck this inner voice shit

lol thinking jesus would be white lmfao, you cucks are hilarious.

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The shroud of Turin was carbon dated to be from 700 years or more after Jesus was supposed to have lived and the documentation you speak of, a Roman census document that mentions the name "Jesus" only verifies that the name was in use around that time.

>Uh citation please
Josephus.
>Shroud of Turin is the imprint of one of the knights templar, while they were being tortured and killed.
Uh citation please.

Why are you comparing an image of Borgia with that of some dune desert dweller from 1k years before it?

Tacitus mentioned him, as did some other Roman historians.

>What’s an inner voice?

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See Do you even know what independent verification means?

>image of Borgia
Both those images are at least 700 years older than Borgia.

yeah his father GOD

"Oy vey I wish I had my foreskin"

Real biblical Christianity is anti-Jew

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There is zero evidence Jesus was a real person. The Gospels are just the foundation myth for a proselytizing sect of Jews who opposed the Pharisees and Zealots.

>I don't know who Josephus is

I don't know what you're splerging on about, but here's this, nigger.

shroud.com/nature.htm

I remembered wrong. It was 1300 years older than Jesus was supposed to be.

Look, an NPC chimmed in.
Another wasted soul, poor thing.

>anti jew
Is that why Christians send Israel billions of dollars every year, for nothing but "it's illegal to boycott Israel" in return?

>Uh citation please
Research the work of the church fathers. Earliest work dates back to c.70AD (Epistle of Barnabas) who is referenced in the New Testament. You also have the Shepherd of Hermas dated to c. 90AD. He to is also referenced in the New Testament. The works only get better over the following century's as more citizens of the Empire convert. However, these works lay out the interpenetration of the original Christian martyrs and their claims and show a direct continuation of knowledge and interpretation from the Apostles themselves, onwards into the modern day orthodox church. You can claim they were lying, but you cannot refute that their claim was that "God came down in the flesh, as Jesus our Lord."

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literally too dumb to read, lol. Try again tard boy, read slow.

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I responded to the wrong poster.

He probably existed, but most of Christianity as we know it was created by Saul (St. Paul), who never met him in life.

Literally never met jesus though. Why would you think that counts as proof jesus existed? Josephus only used jesus name. Again, I ask, do you know what independent verification means?

>imprint
no, do a little research.

The original Christians literally refused to even eat dinner with anyone who wasn't circumcised.

I doubt there are more than a dozen people on earth who knows why we really pay israel all that money. I wouldn't.

Get sweat and blood on your face, then put a cloth over it while you let it stick to your flesh. That's the imprint on the shroud of Turin. In any case it isnt evidence of jesus, user. There is no objectively verifiable connection with the shroud of Turin and jesus.

Yes it was called God

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The bible has 4 different books by different authors about him. 'Independent verification' is just a meme so you can throw out evidence you don't like.

>Josephus.
>Tacitus mentioned him, as did some other Roman historians.
The Josephus cite is an obvious later interpolation added by Christian revisionists. Even Christian scholars, the serious ones not the missionary-apologists, dismiss it.

The Tacitus cite post-dates the Gospels by decades and merely notes the Christians' version of their own history. Pontius Pilate was a governor of Judaea and many were crucified under him, so there was no reason for Tacitus to doubt the basic version of the story, much less go to Judaea to try to verify it.

Your supposition is not based upon fact, though; just feeling.

And none of those authors ever met jesus in person. Are you fucking dumb?

The carbon dating was made in a burnt piece of the cloth and thus innacurate. The shroud contained plants only present in Jerusalem in the century of the crucification. The blood in the stains matched perfectly the specific quimical characteristics of a death with great shock/trauma, and the chemistry of the time wasnt even nearly advanced enough to know that

>I don't know who wrote the gospels
Get out of here kike, begone with your pilpul

The early apostle figures existed; its possible they all got together and made him up, but that seems doubtful, as local people would have realized many of the events they were describing never occurred.

Hitler was Christian He was attempting to rid the world of evil Jewish rule and reclaim national sovereignty for everyone using Christian ideals

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Yeshua IS the voice.

youtube.com/watch?v=wyrI7qGrEaU

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Independent verification, for the gentleman who isn't grasping it, would be something like a detailed record of jesus as told by the romans, not corroborating testimony from one of his followers, whose interest it would serve to keep his fictitiousness secret.

>The works only get better over the following century's
Christians believed the Gospels. No shit, sherlock. The only authentic near-contemporary attestations of Jesus are the Epistles of Paul, who said he never met Jesus. There are absolutely zero attestations of a historical Jesus that are not either Christian sources or sources relying on Christian sources. There are absolutely zero primary sources. Even the Gospels were not written by primary sources, unless someone actually finds the suspected Q Gospel, which still may not be a primary source.

Funny, considering that in all the earliest epistles of the saints that we have (1st century AD), all spoke against circumcision and in favor of spreading the Word, to all gentile nations.

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He’s all of our inner voices, user.

If you truly have faith in Christ, you do not need a piece of cloth to justify it. Wear that shroud as a cloak against your insecurities, because that is all it is.

Nothing written about jesus was written during the period in time he was supposedly alive. The earliest writings of jesus are 90~ years after the fact of his alleged life and death. You're retarded.

I mean most locals couldn't even read or write. It's not so far fetched to say that a bunch of illiterate retards can be tricked into believing something by people who are more educated.

The carbon dating was performed twice, a decade apart, and from different locations on the shroud, and they agreed. Read the report I linked.

>be the logos
>some dumbass asks if you have an inner voice
>love him anyway
Based Christ.

I am talking about those who follow the Word to a T Those who buy into the gov propaganda are just lost sheep being devoured by Satan and his followers They refuse to listen to Christ even when someone points it out to them They are the ones who will be told by Him in the end times "...I never knew you..."

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Four co-conspirators are not independent verification. Without that, all you have is feels.

He had the inner Light.

The Pneuma.

We have a bit of the Divine Spark.

Hitler was christian because it served his purposes. If islam would have been the prevailing religion opposing jewry, he'd have been muslim.

No, thats a fact. Saul never met Jesus when he was alice as a man; he claims to have encountered him post-ressurection.

Briefly Saul was in Jerusalem with Peter and some other ofmthe originsl apostles, who were almost exclusively targeting only jews for comversion. However, Saul suggested that Peter should consider eating dinner with uncircumcised people, which caused Peter to kick him out of the city. As a result, Saul went to gentile lands in Greece and layer Rome, writing his famous. With Saul is where universalist Christianity begans- he's the one who writes "There is neither Jew nor Greek, neither male nor female, neither free nor slave, only one in Christ". Saul decides that converts don't need to get circumcised, and as a result, his comberted gentiles soon far outnumber the converted jews".

None of this is debated by Christians. Let me know if you want a source for any of it.

It's not even a good one.

>Four co-conspirators are not independent verification.
>Ignoring the fact that the gospel of John is clearly written independently from the Synoptic gospels

See pic.

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Jesus was a devout jew and practiced jewry devoutly.

>Galatians 1:15-19, 2:1-14.
Until the Gospels were written decades later, these are the only descriptions of the Apostles other than any sermons given in person or texts that have been totally lost.

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>still doesnt understand what indepedent verification means
Your blind faith is worthless but it's all you really have. Disgraceful.

Is that why the Jews hated him so much they killed him?

>I-it doesn' count
>N-no you just don't understand why hahaha
Suit yourself, kike.

Flavius Josephus the Jew historian ~90 AD, mentions James whose brother Jesus, they called Christ.

Historical Jesus has ~3 agreed upon things

-Born in first century Palestine
-He was a Jew preaching reformed Judaism to Jews
-He was Crucified by the Roman State,

His baptism from John isn’t collectively agreed upon like the other 3 items

>Historical documentation of living people who were confirmed to be martyred in the Roman Empire, within mere decades from the Incarnation of Christ don't count.
HAHA ok, nigger. There is no contemporary documentation for Plato, Aristotle, Alexander, Caesar until century's after they all lived, but you'll gladly accept their existence. Christ has a continuous historical line of contemporary documentation, starting within the time span of a single life (c. 70ad), all asserting the same claim.

You can claim they were lying and were just frauds, if you want; but from the very beginning they were explicit in what they believed. Then, considering they all were willing to die in the most brutal ways imaginable for their beliefs, the veracity of their claims only adds more weight to the proof of the historicity of Christ... But you'll continue to deny all documented evidence, unfortunately.

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Do Muslims kill other Muslims?

I meant that "he probably existed" isn't based upon fact. In fact, all of what you just said about Paul could easily be fiction, and I suspect 100% that it is. He never met jesus. He made up stories of meeting zombie jesus. Christians believe him. The last sentence is the only one I don't have a hard time believing, sadly.

I wasn't contesting the circumcision part. I don't care about that.

says the burger that's allied with them lmfao

>this is what christtards actually believe
You do know that christianity is technically a semetic religion, right? The old testament is literally the jewish bible. I thought you at least understood that Jews use deception and lies as their forward tactics. It works especially well on retards who cant grasp the concept of independant verification. Evidence has standards which must be met in order for said evidence to be objectively valid. There is yet to be any such evidence for jesus or god of the bible.

>Plato, Aristotle, Alexander, Caesar
None of whom ever claimed to perform miracles or be special snowflakes. That's not an argument

>Plato, Aristotle
They wrote books we still have today. You can argue someone else wrote them but what would even be the point of that?
>Alexander, Caesar
Now that's just a lie.

Do you completely intellectually disagree that it is impossible that these texts are fiction only because one doesn't match exactly? Two thousand years has passed since these were written. Do you know how little you really know about the origin of these documents?

Not if they consider them devout, as you just said Christ was.

>None of whom ever claimed to perform miracles or be special snowflakes
Moving the goalposts now, are we?

Saul existed, I don't know why he would make up a story about being banned from Jerusalem by "the Rock of the Church" Peter.

As Saul didn't live alongside Jesus, in his letters he is constantly trying to defend his authority as an apostle, suggesting that people knew about other ones independent of his writings.

>There is no contemporary documentation for Plato, Aristotle, Alexander, Caesar until century's after they all lived, but
there was.

We literally have the books they wrote (except Alex). That's the same reason we know there was a historical Paul. We have numerous contemporary records of them.

>You can claim they were lying and were just frauds,
Your words, not mine. Lao Zi and Lie Zi are two famous Chinese examples of ahistorical figures invented by authors that were later deified and mythologized. I suspect you're using the CS Lewis standard here, but that doesn't consider the well-attested in other cases possibility that the original authors were writing philosophical tracts that evolved into religious tracts. Even Paul is vague on who Jesus was and what he represented other than a messiah figure who appeared to him in a dream. There is no reason to suspect Paul did not believe he had received a vision from God and preached based on that. Whether that vision was truly divine is a matter of faith alone, untestable, and, as the Bible warns, one should be careful to decide whether a prophet speaks true.

>pic from university of Tel Aviv archeology dept

"They" wrote them? Show me the original 1st century BC documentation then. Do you know what "Contemporary" means?

Not really, no. There is indepedant verification for all of those names to have existed as living people in any case. There is none for your son of skydaddy

Different sects of Islam don't consider each other properly devout; it was no different with Jews. But it was the Romans who executed him.

Jesus wasn't even a real person, you shameless NPCs

>pic related

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Nothing written dating back pre 800AD. Show me the ancient original documentation authenticating these claims.

Britslimes worship a pedophile. Whats your point?

No, the pharisees were upset because they were a part of the corrupted religion that jewry had become, and jesus spoke out against them, as he was more of a fundamentalist, like osama bin laden, so the potentially fictional tale says. Haven't you read your own bible? The jesus character upset the status quo. That's why the antagonists had him killed.

He is the inner voice

He thought God was talking to him
He probably had 7 inner voices

If Jesus wasn't real, then we must call into question almost every historical figure pre 1000ad, because Jesus has 100000x more sources verifying his existence than even Plato, or Alexander the Great

I'm still waiting for your false-equivilancy touting ass to provide independent verification for the existence of jesus. You go first, christtard.

That can be said about Charlemagne, Clovis or Mohammed too, we have nearly no contemporary evidence of them, yet we are certain they existed. So yes, I believe that two different, independent sources are valid enough to at least accept that the historical Jesus was real, wether you believe in his miracles or not is irrelevant.

In that case modern Talmudic Judaism split from Christs teachings, as they were apparently true and devout. In which case the scheming Jews you hate are also wrong in the eyes of Christianity. That's what's meant by the synagogue of Satan in revelations.

There is literally a surviving bust of Julius Caesar made when he was still alive, user. We actually know what he looked like.

>because Jesus has 100000x more sources verifying his existence than even Plato, or Alexander the Great
Yeah, and all of them written in the Middle Ages.

Looking for something written before about 300AD? Yeah, good luck with that :)